Oppo Camp Non-Eagles Discussion

[Chief]

Continued in Part 2:

Oppo Camp - Non-Eagles Discussion

Who gives a **** about finals anyway So overrated It’s all about the draft these days

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[Cuzz09]

what year?

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[FKASC]

Career absolutely ruined by Simmo and Nesbit

Yep

 

[FKASC]

what year?

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2022

 

[ioppolo]

what year?

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2015 on a serious note

 

[Truckosaurus]

Did we contest it?

Pretty sure we did but the guy before him got off

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Two tassie politicians have quit the liberal party (ie the current government) to become independents over construction of the new stadium in Hobart. The Government is now in minority. Both claim they can't see any business case to build it (which I agree with). It will be interesting if this derails the stadium and what it means for the new team.

Typical of Gil, chooses an outcome and then works on people to support the solution (even if it's not the best). I'm glad someone is calling this garbage out - retrofit the existing one and save the money.

No saving conservative Tasmania from its culture of subsistence and dependency.

Viability is such a red herring in the context of state development. We could have rebuilt Subiaco more cheaply than a new build on the Burswood peninsular and such a retrograde decision would have been to the detriment of the state.

The Forrestfield airport line isn't viable, it's a complementary aspect of our transit system that won't pay for itself. The road network is overwhelmingly subsidized and remains a balance sheet liability for state governments and that hasn't stopped us from building roads with questionable or transitory benefits. There are no stadiums in suitable locations worth upgrading. The stadium must be in Hobart (not Clarence) and that means a new build. Upgrading an existing ground is just malinvestment because eventually there will be a new stadium in central Hobart.

Spare me the handwringing from likes of Lambie who sold out low and middle-income earners in Tasmania for some magic beans for her support of stage 3 tax cuts. Meanwhile instead of pursuing investment in the very real, historic and totally underdeveloped urban form of Hobart Richard Flanagan and co want a greenfield site to develop a quaint cultural precinct that will be entirely parasitic on the existing urban landscape, this is done without the slightest sense of irony.

 

[ZergMinion]

I support any Tasmanian stadium that has a roof to keep the wind out so we might suck less playing in Tassie. That is as far as my caring on the issue extends

 

[bzparkes]

I support any Tasmanian stadium that has a roof to keep the wind out so we might suck less playing in Tassie. That is as far as my caring on the issue extends

It's only a problem at Bellerive due to its location.

York Park doesn't have such issues.

 

[Dylan82]

Two tassie politicians have quit the liberal party (ie the current government) to become independents over construction of the new stadium in Hobart. The Government is now in minority. Both claim they can't see any business case to build it (which I agree with). It will be interesting if this derails the stadium and what it means for the new team.

Typical of Gil, chooses an outcome and then works on people to support the solution (even if it's not the best). I'm glad someone is calling this garbage out - retrofit the existing one and save the money.

I expect it will have no impact upon it whatsoever.

Today's defections are largely out of self-interest (both MPs are currently positioned to lose out against other Liberal members at the next state election, even if the Labor/Green vote can be held off). A big news-capturing stance as an independent against Government largesse in your non-Hobart electorate has past proven to be a very effective strategy in the island state.


Bellerive simply isn't an option for the following reasons:

• It is located in Clarence, not Hobart, where connectivity, transport and parking options are poor (there isn't even a ferry service).
• It is a ground currently smaller than the SCG and hemmed in on all sides - any redevelopment would entail resumption of the playing oval itself, making it even smaller.
• Due to it's location within residential suburbia, Bellerive is subject to punitive EPA requirements (maximum 68 decibels volume to closest residence and maximum 10 "events" per year using broadcast lighting).
• The "newest" parts of Bellerive are already a decade old - it makes the dinosaur that is the current state of the Gabba look modern by comparison.
• The current seating arrangement at the ground does not allow the level of corporate seating to fulfil the financial requirements of the business case.

There's too much money (and reputation) now tied up in Macquarie Point that it's build is now inevitable.

It's final cost will likely blow out by 75% over what is currently being budgeted, but before 2030, Hobart will have a world-class boutique stadium and finally have fast-tracked the belated redevelopment of an ugly scar that has marred the face of the southern capital for decades.


The AFL is being handed a money tree, getting public money to do 95% of the lifting for it's desires. But Hobart (and indirectly all of Tasmania), will be much better off in the end as a result.

 

[Chump Change]

With the stadium will come jobs. Then there will be infrastructure built around the stadium. More jobs. Then there will be shops, cafe, restaurants, pubs. More jobs. Then you have a local team for everyone to have pride in. Don't underestimate that benefit.

Those Taswegians complaining can so GF themselves. One head on the bell, the other on the sack.

 

[Keys]

Carlton last made a GF in 1999, which they lost, since then (coaches in brackets):

2000: 16/6 - 2nd (Parkin)
2001: 14/8 - 5th (Brittain)
2002: 3/19 - 16th (Brittain)
2003: 4/18 - 15th (Pagan)
2004: 10/12 - 11th (Pagan)
2005: 4/1/17 - 16th (Pagan)
2006: 3/1/18 - 16th (Pagan)
2007: 4/18 - 15th (Pagan/Ratten)
2008: 10/12 - 11th (Ratten)
2009: 13/9 - 7th (Ratten)
2010: 11/11 - 8th (Ratten)
2011: 14/1/7 - 5th (Ratten)
2012: 11/11 - 10th (Ratten)
2013: 11/11 - 9th* (Malthouse)
2014: 7/1/14 - 13th (Malthouse)
2015: 4/18 - 18th (Malthouse/Barker)
2016: 7/15 - 14th (Bolton)
2017: 6/16 - 16th (Bolton)
2018: 2/20 - 18th (Bolton)
2019: 7/15 - 16th (Bolton/Teague)
2020: 7/10 - 11th (Teague)
2021: 8/14 - 13th (Teague)
2022: 12/10 - 9th (Voss)

Voss is their 8th non-caretaker coach since the turn of the century and they’ve only made finals six times. And one of those has an * because they got there courtesy of the other failing Victorian big 4 club doping their players

Either they’ve been really bad at selecting coaches or whoever the coach has been isn’t the problem

Old school mindset of sack the coach as soon as things go pear shaped without ever looking at what else might actually be the problem

No surprise that the guy that’s got them closest since * is already getting loaded in the gun part way through his 2nd season

Puts our current woes in the shade

 

[ioppolo]

**** me, last year was their third best win loss record in 20 years.

 

[Dylan82]

Carlton last made a GF in 1999, which they lost, since then (coaches in brackets):

2000: 16/6 - 2nd (Parkin)
2001: 14/8 - 5th (Brittain)
2002: 3/19 - 16th (Brittain)
2003: 4/18 - 15th (Pagan)
2004: 10/12 - 11th (Pagan)
2005: 4/1/17 - 16th (Pagan)
2006: 3/1/18 - 16th (Pagan)
2007: 4/18 - 15th (Pagan/Ratten)
2008: 10/12 - 11th (Ratten)
2009: 13/9 - 7th (Ratten)
2010: 11/11 - 8th (Ratten)
2011: 14/1/7 - 5th (Ratten)
2012: 11/11 - 10th (Ratten)
2013: 11/11 - 9th* (Malthouse)
2014: 7/1/14 - 13th (Malthouse)
2015: 4/18 - 18th (Malthouse/Barker)
2016: 7/15 - 14th (Bolton)
2017: 6/16 - 16th (Bolton)
2018: 2/20 - 18th (Bolton)
2019: 7/15 - 16th (Bolton/Teague)
2020: 7/10 - 11th (Teague)
2021: 8/14 - 13th (Teague)
2022: 12/10 - 9th (Voss)

Voss is their 8th non-caretaker coach since the turn of the century and they’ve only made finals six times. And one of those has an * because they got there courtesy of the other failing Victorian big 4 club doping their players

Either they’ve been really bad at selecting coaches or whoever the coach has been isn’t the problem

Old school mindset of sack the coach as soon as things go pear shaped without ever looking at what else might actually be the problem

No surprise that the guy that’s got them closest since * is already getting loaded in the gun part way through his 2nd season

Puts our current woes in the shade

Their problem has been the long list of well-monied people with zero experience of how to functionally run a professional football club, continuously trying to interject and influence how things are done.

It has led to a "buy-success" / "get-draft-pick-success" mentality without any supporting infrastructure being built around it, which has been disastrous for player development over the longer term.

Then said monied people approach the coach like a non-performing business deliverable, without consideration of the impact that may be wrought upon the playing group as a result.

Hence why the "Exers", once removed from that environment, often flourished.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Carlton last made a GF in 1999, which they lost, since then (coaches in brackets):

2000: 16/6 - 2nd (Parkin)
2001: 14/8 - 5th (Brittain)
2002: 3/19 - 16th (Brittain)
2003: 4/18 - 15th (Pagan)
2004: 10/12 - 11th (Pagan)
2005: 4/1/17 - 16th (Pagan)
2006: 3/1/18 - 16th (Pagan)
2007: 4/18 - 15th (Pagan/Ratten)
2008: 10/12 - 11th (Ratten)
2009: 13/9 - 7th (Ratten)
2010: 11/11 - 8th (Ratten)
2011: 14/1/7 - 5th (Ratten)
2012: 11/11 - 10th (Ratten)
2013: 11/11 - 9th* (Malthouse)
2014: 7/1/14 - 13th (Malthouse)
2015: 4/18 - 18th (Malthouse/Barker)
2016: 7/15 - 14th (Bolton)
2017: 6/16 - 16th (Bolton)
2018: 2/20 - 18th (Bolton)
2019: 7/15 - 16th (Bolton/Teague)
2020: 7/10 - 11th (Teague)
2021: 8/14 - 13th (Teague)
2022: 12/10 - 9th (Voss)

Voss is their 8th non-caretaker coach since the turn of the century and they’ve only made finals six times. And one of those has an * because they got there courtesy of the other failing Victorian big 4 club doping their players

Either they’ve been really bad at selecting coaches or whoever the coach has been isn’t the problem

Old school mindset of sack the coach as soon as things go pear shaped without ever looking at what else might actually be the problem

No surprise that the guy that’s got them closest since * is already getting loaded in the gun part way through his 2nd season

Puts our current woes in the shade

Almost as if years of losing/tanking affects the culture of a club and is very hard to change

 

[donpyke92]

Jeepers, Brian Cook in the crosshairs...some people have more money than footy club sense.
Long may it reign at the Carlton Footy Club. Knuckleheads.

 

[Wettoaster]

This is not the Richmond we played last week, oh boy

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[MrWoollie]

This is not the Richmond we played last week, oh boy

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I went to a WP - P match at Lathlain in the 70's.
WP kicked 6.0 in the first to virtually nothing. Ended up losing 17.17 (or something like that) to 6.6.

Not expecting such a big turnaround but still expect Geelong to come back and win.
Mind you, a Richmond win would confirm the Harley Reid cup as a pure 3 donkey race.

 

[Dylan82]

Would be infuriating for Cats supporters, that quarter.

Geelong dominating everywhere yet find themselves down by 3 goals.

 

[Bender_]

Tuned in for about 10 minutes of the 2nd of Tigers vs Cats, geez Richmond get absolutely carried by soft umpiring decisions.

 

[ziad]

The racist booing is incessent and quite distressing

 

[ziad]

Tuned in for about 10 minutes of the 2nd of Tigers vs Cats, geez Richmond get absolutely carried by soft umpiring decisions.

Well it almost looks like the AFL have a fix it 'for the good of footy'

 

[stylish]

It

Tuned in for about 10 minutes of the 2nd of Tigers vs Cats, geez Richmond get absolutely carried by soft umpiring decisions.

It's about time a coach came out in their press conference and sprayed the umpires. And I don't mean "they had a poor game tonight" I mean a full out whack & show highlights of poor decisions.

 

[Dylan82]

Geelong +18 contested possessions and +17 clearances end up going -385 for metres gained.

That's lost in the coaches' box.

 

[KERRPOW]

Freo getting a nice ride from the umps.

Directly resulted in 2 goals

 

[CountryLad]

Geez Swans undisciplined very unusual