This is the 2004 list. There seemingly hasn't been a whole lot of change in % representation from each state and territiory from then until now. From this one has to question whether expansion has been successful, at least in terms of players from non-traditional areas making the elite grade.
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% of current AFL players from each state
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It takes a little longer to see the effects than 2 years.....
We wont be seeing the influx on lists untill at least 10 years on, probably 20.
Why do people think that the term 'expansion' only applies to the establishing of GWS and GCS? 'Expansion' in NSW and QLD has been going on for alot longer than just the past 2 years with auskick and junior participation being pushed heavily by the AFL in those areas for quite a number of years now, as well as the Swans and Lions winning flags, and yet we have not seen the fruits of this, with representation of players from QLD and NSW remaining basicaly unchanged in the last 10 years.
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I think that while Auskick and junior football flourished, the pathways from junior footy into the draft were a bit lacking. With the Swans and Giants academies opening in recent years, I think (hope) we'll start to see a greater number of NSWelshmen drafted.
The other issue is talent scouts from Vic/SA/WA not paying as much attention to players in NSW and QLD. Zorko and Jack being perfect examples of talent scouts being too heartland focused.
The opening of the academies is something I hadn't considered. Can only hope they will lead to more draftees. I think I read recently that the Crows were keen on looking more closely at Sydney private schools as a potential talent source. In fact, getting more Aussie rules programs into more East coast private schools may become a key initiative in the coming years.
Next year NZ will have to be included
, with Hawthorn.So in effect lttle change in 10 years, whilst football participation has increased around the country, the TAC under 18's in Vic continues to lead the way, they are extremely professional and overall much more serious about their football in general than their interestate underage counterparts.
IMO that is the big difference, other states play catchup with their programs attempting to imitate the TAC.
My bet would be that more mature age recruits/rookies etc are from outside of Victoria.
Whats the bet as well that should WA get a third team, that WA would have a spike in draftees.
The last couple of years have seen a big spike in NSW boys drafted by GWS .... thats no co-incidence.
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Not true especially for queensland, representation in NSW and Qld has gone up 5.7% and 34.5% (as oppose to percentage points) respectively. at this rate in forty years over 20% of players will come out of Queensland
Doubt whether that will happen, that would mean far less than 50% from Vic, and there development programs will fight tooth and nail to stop that happening, which in effect will be good for football.
QLD for a non-football state outpunches NSW on draftee per population basis.
The key to the AFL, is the Newcastle/Sydney/Gong huge population basin producing far more draftees than they are, and not leaving it primarily to southern NSW, there is a few, but not nearly enough.
Agree with that, as I could go centuries and have over 100% from Queensland based on one 8 year period. but 34.5 % in 8 years is still nothing to sneeze at.
QLD has come a long way, there is a thread going around that i posted on stating that in Brisbane /GC there is roughly as many AF teams as there is RL, and if players per team are counted AF would be ahead.
Of course that doesn't mean that AF is more popular than RL, but it goes some way to showing that the sport has grown in SE QLD.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/potential-new-gold-coast-team.991625/
The birth ceftificate is sometimes a very arbritary thing - I've got a Western Australian town on my birth certificate, but since my parents moved back to SA when I was 1, I've never been back West even once - I have no memory of my time over there. I think it would be a bit off to be counted as a "Western Australian", considering I have absolutely no attachment to the place whatsoever
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I wonder what the percentage of Port's list is.
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Using the tables/ladders on sportingpulse as a guide, and i am not aware of any leagues around Brisbane/GC that do not use it, we have ...
In 2012 the Brisbane RL had 68 senior teams, 12 under 20's and 29 under 18's, the GC RL had 24 teams ( 8 seniors/reserves /under 19's teams ), and 5 or 6 teams in the statewide RL comp.
In 2012 the Brisbane/GC AFL had 85 senior teams, 32 Colts teams, and 9 teams in the NEAFL.
So roughly the same amount of teams in roughly the same sort of area, although players per team would put AF players ahead, which i guess means something, but certainly does not mean that AF is more popular than RL across the QLD general community.
What would be very interesting is seeing what the respective comps looked like 10 years ago, that would be a very telling statistic IMO, and would confirm the growth in AF in QLD in the last 10 years.
Someone would have some sort of an idea.
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By my count:
VIC:.......35.0%...(14/40)
SA:........40.0%...(16/40)
WA:........15.0%...(6/40)
NSW/ACT:....0.0%...(0/40)
QLD:........5.0%...(2/40)
TAS:........0.0%...(0/40)
NT:.........5.0%...(2/40)
Ireland:....0.0%...(0/40)
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In Queensland at least, the number is slightly skewed due to eight QLD players retiring/delisted and only one QLD player drafted in the 2012/13 off-season. Without, doing any calculations, I would presume the QLD% to have been up around 6% last year. Still down from the 2007 peak of 7.1% though, but the small states tend to be a little volatile anyway.
Give It time and I'd be confident you would be able to notice long term trends instead of just the smaller, year-to-year variations.
In the SoO last century, Vic would claim him if he was any good.
As long as yiou were any good & someone in the family knew anyone from Victoria, they played for Vic, e.g Dunstall, his grandmothers sister had a great grand child who lived in Albury but shopped every other year in Wodonga, yep Jason is eligible to play for Vic.
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I can actually remember when the ACT had a much better and stronger league than the QAFL or AFLQLD, they are poles apart these days, QLD craps all over Canberra apart from a handful of strong ACT clubs, and generally the strong Canberra clubs have been going 80 + years, and are all inner suburban clubs.
There has not been much growth in Canberra since the 80's, whilst there has been spectacular growth in QLD.
just a bit of a fun tangent. does the fact the swans gws. gcs and brisbane being made up mostly of victorians mean they are in fact defacto teams that allow victorians and to a lesser degree sa wa players a place to play. does this mean victoria are basically fielding the nucleus for 14 teams rather than 10.
at what stage if ever will we be able to say, ah the syney swans they truly represent sydney and nsw.
at what stage if ever will we be able to say, ah the syney swans they truly represent sydney and nsw.
An alternative view of the Vic involvement:
- cant produce enough players for the number of teams they insist on
- need support of NT footy
- need support of Tas footy
I can tell you that any kid in Wollomgong who wants to play better Aussie rules moves to Canberra or wherever he has to at the earliest opportunity. There are plaenty of athletes down here, but the tall ones want basketball and the short ones want league, of course, the parents want them to play soccer
Canada:......0.001% (1/717)
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Fiji er 0.002% ?
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