Ranking Each Team's Best Team of this Century So Far....

[GoldbergsGold]

I just changed it and dropped lever to make room for Wayne Carey arguably the best afl player ever

No way should Carey be on a best team of the century list for Adelaide, you're judging him by his North Melbourne career in the 90s not at the Crows in the 2000s.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Wasn't that more on Scott who then subbed off a non-injured player & the club doctor should have made a call too...

Yes to that too, but Cameron would have known, he could have made the call himself.

 

[PhatBoy]

Yes to that too, but Cameron would have known, he could have made the call himself.

Max Holmes could have made the same call in the 2024 prelim. He didn’t. Let’s kill him.

 

[Mr Meow]

Max Holmes could have made the same call in the 2024 prelim. He didn’t. Let’s kill him.

Holmes 2024 issue was actually incredibly hard to diagnose, let alone self diagnose. Let's not kill him.

 

[crowman2]

No way should Carey be on a best team of the century list for Adelaide, you're judging him by his North Melbourne career in the 90s not at the Crows in the 2000s.

I won’t deny that, I see Carey as the best afl player ever

But that was on form but like I said if we look at a list and what players we had on it choose from those players if you want to put conditions on how you choose that’s fine but it’s not, I’m just looking at players. It’s a list of players that’s all

 

[PhatBoy]

Holmes 2024 issue was actually incredibly hard to diagnose, let alone self diagnose. Let's not kill him.

I agree: my point being that in those situations trying to judge a player’s ‘selfishness’ because they are trying to combine a whole bunch of factors like courage, sensibility, the idea of weighing up what is best for themselves, their team relative to what their output is (ie. is a hobbled best-forward-in-the-game more valuable than a fit peripheral player) is absolutely f**king stupid.

 

[Mr Meow]

I agree: my point being that in those situations trying to judge a player’s ‘selfishness’ because they are trying to combine a whole bunch of factors like courage, sensibility, the idea of weighing up what is best for themselves, their team relative to what their output is (ie. is a hobbled best-forward-in-the-game more valuable than a fit peripheral player) is absolutely f**king stupid.

I'm not hating on Cameron or anything. It's just that Max's subtle hamstring awareness episodes are really damn tricky to navigate in comparison to an Ablett 2020 or Cameron 2025 bone breaking situation.

Like I said above, we were screwed either way once Cameron's arm joined Stewart missing and Dangerfield (+/- excuses) not being a contributor. And Cameron is easily in our team of the century.

 

[GoldbergsGold]

I won’t deny that, I see Carey as the best afl player ever

But that was on form but like I said if we look at a list and what players we had on it choose from those players if you want to put conditions on how you choose that’s fine but it’s not, I’m just looking at players. It’s a list of players that’s all

But that would be like putting Ben Cousins in Richmond's best team of century, nobody would do that but it's the exact same logic as putting Wayne Carey in Adelaide's best team of the century.

 

[Randall Stevens]

I won’t deny that, I see Carey as the best afl player ever

But that was on form but like I said if we look at a list and what players we had on it choose from those players if you want to put conditions on how you choose that’s fine but it’s not, I’m just looking at players. It’s a list of players that’s all

Clearly the spirit of any club-based team of the century selection is performance at that club.

As a Hawthorn supporter I would never consider Gary Ablett Snr or Josh Kennedy (Hawthorn / Sydney) for any Hawks TOTC to make it look better just because they played a handful of games for Hawthorn at the start of their careers.

Take Shaun Rehn for example. Rehn was a champion ruckman for Adelaide (in the '90s) who gave good service to Hawthorn for two years at the end of his career. There is no way I would consider him for any Hawthorn 'best of' team based on his performances for Adelaide, and his games for the Hawks were neither good enough or numerous enough to warrant selection in a Hawthorn team of the century.

A player like Buddy Franklin on the other hand would clearly merit selection in TOTC for both Hawthorn and Sydney.

Eddie Betts in your team in my opinion is completely legitimate - although he played more games for Carlton, his best football - and plenty of it - was for Adelaide.

 

[kane249]

But that would be like putting Ben Cousins in Richmond's best team of century, nobody would do that but it's the exact same logic as putting Wayne Carey in Adelaide's best team of the century.

Or Sam Mitchell in the Eagles team (even though he was awarded a Brownlow during his time with us )

 

[GoldbergsGold]

Or Sam Mitchell in the Eagles team (even though he was awarded a Brownlow during his time with us )

Yeah, I thought about Mitchell, too, along with Ryan Crowley who was in Freo's official top 25 list, meaning he's in Essendon's top players for the century by default.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yeah, I thought about Mitchell, too, along with Ryan Crowley who was in Freo's official top 25 list, meaning he's in Essendon's top players for the century by default.

Essendon have a really decent 21st century list.

Paul Chapman, James Kelly, Dylan Shiel, Mal Michael, Bachar Houli, Brendon Goddard, Adam Cooney, Justin Murphy, Ted Richards, Ryan Crowley, Matthew Stokes, Devon Smith, Adam Saad and co.

 

[curnow inferno]

How is Geelong the most successful this century? Brisbane are the most successful with 5 premierships this century.

Poor choice of words as flags do come first.

But obviously i was referring to cats winning a lot more games than anyone else this century and flags was one part of that.

 

[Ross]

I agree: my point being that in those situations trying to judge a player’s ‘selfishness’ because they are trying to combine a whole bunch of factors like courage, sensibility, the idea of weighing up what is best for themselves, their team relative to what their output is (ie. is a hobbled best-forward-in-the-game more valuable than a fit peripheral player) is absolutely f**king stupid.

As another cricket nuffy I'm sure you also appreciate how some of the more gripping moments in Test cricket history have involved a hurt player stupidly trying to tough it out. Chris Woakes earlier this year coming out to bat at 11 with a dislocated shoulder and an arm in a sling because England needed 17 runs to win the Test and the series. Or Graeme Smith coming out to bat using just one hand because his other hand was broken when there was just a few overs left on day five to try and salvage a draw in a dead rubber. Dean Jones puking his guts out in India and AB firing him up by calling him weak and saying he needed a Queenslander out there and a completely dehydrated Deano somehow carrying on and scoring a double ton. Rick McCosker's head wrapped in bandages while he batted with a broken jaw during a 50 run partnership in a game Australia won by 45 runs in the centenary Test.

It's probably harder to make those acts come off in footy but if Cameron stayed out there with a broken arm and somehow kicked a few goals and Geelong won the flag it'd be seen as a masterstroke and an all-time courageous moment. One of the few moments like that off the top of my head was Danger hurting his foot early in a H&A game in 2017 against the Hawks and spending the rest of the game deep in the forward line, he absolutely terrorised Hodge (I think) and kicked 5.6 in a game we won by less than a goal.

 

[RUNVS]

Essendon have a really decent 21st century list.

Paul Chapman, James Kelly, Dylan Shiel, Mal Michael, Bachar Houli, Brendon Goddard, Adam Cooney, Justin Murphy, Ted Richards, Ryan Crowley, Matthew Stokes, Devon Smith, Adam Saad and co.

I wonder if Sydney can fit Daniel Bradshaw into our 21st century team given we have Buddy, Hall and O'Loughlin there. I mean he played 9 games for us.

 

[PhatBoy]

As another cricket nuffy I'm sure you also appreciate how some of the more gripping moments in Test cricket history have involved a hurt player stupidly trying to tough it out. Chris Woakes earlier this year coming out to bat at 11 with a dislocated shoulder and an arm in a sling because England needed 17 runs to win the Test and the series. Or Graeme Smith coming out to bat using just one hand because his other hand was broken when there was just a few overs left on day five to try and salvage a draw in a dead rubber. Dean Jones puking his guts out in India and AB firing him up by calling him weak and saying he needed a Queenslander out there and a completely dehydrated Deano somehow carrying on and scoring a double ton. Rick McCosker's head wrapped in bandages while he batted with a broken jaw during a 50 run partnership in a game Australia won by 45 runs in the centenary Test.

It's probably harder to make those acts come off in footy but if Cameron stayed out there with a broken arm and somehow kicked a few goals and Geelong won the flag it'd be seen as a masterstroke and an all-time courageous moment. One of the few moments like that off the top of my head was Danger hurting his foot early in a H&A game in 2017 against the Hawks and spending the rest of the game deep in the forward line, he absolutely terrorised Hodge (I think) and kicked 5.6 in a game we won by less than a goal.

Exactly.

I’m a Roosters fan and watched Cooper Cronk play an entire grand final with a broken shoulder just so he could be an on-field marshall against Melbourne. He made one painful try saving tackle and hardly touched the ball and it was a master stroke.

I remember watching - much as I hated it because he’s a Souths player - Sam Burgess smashing his face into James Graham’s head off the kick off in 2014 and saying to my best mate at the time ‘he’s broken his face’ and he had: it looked like his cheek had all but caved in at the time. He played the entire game and led Souths to victory just like John Sattler with the broken jaw 40 years before.

Selfishness and courage are two very different things and trying to join them at the hip is silly.

 

[crowman2]

But that would be like putting Ben Cousins in Richmond's best team of century, nobody would do that but it's the exact same logic as putting Wayne Carey in Adelaide's best team of the century.

In 70 years when all of us our dead we might

Or 100 years or 200 years

You can set rules if you like but who were the best players for clubs of the 19th century now they would take some thinking I could only search lists

 

[RUNVS]

In 70 years when all of us our dead we might

Or 100 years or 200 years

You can set rules if you like but who were the best players for clubs of the 19th century now they would take some thinking I could only search lists

Would be easy enough to look up, even with the bad stats of the time.

Also there is a huge difference too, because in 100 years time we are still going to have footage of Gunston playing for Adelaide, long after his bones have turned to dust so people of the future can reference that.

We can't go back and look at the footage of round 6 in 1921 between Collingwood and Richmond to check how Richard E Hart the 3rd played.

 

[crowman2]

Would be easy enough to look up, even with the bad stats of the time.

Also there is a huge difference too, because in 100 years time we are still going to have footage of Gunston playing for Adelaide, long after his bones have turned to dust so people of the future can reference that.

We can't go back and look at the footage of round 6 in 1921 between Collingwood and Richmond to check how Richard E Hart the 3rd played.

I wouldn’t never even look back at old footage now even if 2005 why would I look at old footage

Living for today not the past

 

[RUNVS]

I wouldn’t never even look back at old footage now even if 2005 why would I look at old footage

Living for today not the past

Well if you feel that way you should not be attempting to make an Adelaide team of the century team.

 

[crowman2]

Well if you feel that way you should not be attempting to make an Adelaide team of the century team.

Maybe not but everyone has an opinion

 

[RUNVS]

Maybe not but everyone has an opinion

Yes but that is like me having an opinion on the type of weave a blanket should be. I have no interest in that, and as a result my opinion is not going to be a good one as I don't have the foundational knowledge for the opinion to be worthwhile.

 

[crowman2]

Yes but that is like me having an opinion on the type of weave a blanket should be. I have no interest in that, and as a result my opinion is not going to be a good one as I don't have the foundational knowledge for the opinion to be worthwhile.

Everyone’s opinion is their own no one’s opinion is better than another

It’s an opinion in reality it’s not right or wrong it’s an opinion

 

[hawkman]

I wonder if Sydney can fit Daniel Bradshaw into our 21st century team given we have Buddy, Hall and O'Loughlin there. I mean he played 9 games for us.

What about Pluggers 3 game comeback? Is that enough as well?

 

[RUNVS]

Everyone’s opinion is their own no one’s opinion is better than another

It’s an opinion in reality it’s not right or wrong it’s an opinion

Completely disagree. The opinion of a doctor on how to treat cancer is much more valuable than the opinion of Barry down the road who is a brick layer and believes vaccines are a government conspiracy.