Official Sayonara Priority Pick Thread

[94_Eagles]

Well we haven't got it anymore!

 

[salo]

I'm also gutted.

If we didn't tank against the Dockers it was the worst display we've put forward in a very long time...and we're going to need that PP when the GC come in.

fair enough, but bouncing back after a game like that is good learning for a bunch of young blokes and knocking over a top 8 side is a bonus. i was more upset about the first game we lost to the dockers this year; that one we had no right to lose. last week we had no right winning.

 

[Eagles 4 Mine]

Fantastic news , F**k the PP winning is what this team will learn more from.

 

[beatlesmith]

Meh. Top 5 at this stage would be Scully, Butcher, Morabito, Trengove, Lucas. I'm happy with any of those honestly.

 

[tesseract]

This thread is a sodomy party for those short sighted enough not to see the value of a PP. Eagles management invited. Give yourself a slap on the back.....side.

 

[James_Hutchy]

Honestly who cares we have every chance of getting a star from any pick and we've already got a great group of young players improving and more coming through shuey etc..

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

This thread is a sodomy party for those short sighted enough not to see the value of a PP. Eagles management invited. Give yourself a slap on the back.....side.

The fact that you can't be happy that your team won shows just how ****d the system is.

 

[TOA.]

The reality is that we where never going to get it with our run home. We are/were very good chances against the North and Tigers.

We've been competitive against top line sides (Cats, Saints) and beaten good sides (Dogs, Port, Hawks) so we would have almost certainly beaten one of North/Tigers.

I'm pleased the PP is gone. Now we can all barrack for our side to win every game wholehartedly.

What we can take away from this is that despite such a horror season we are really not that far away. We will go close to finishing the year with 7 wins, with natural improvement 4 more wins is not out of the question next year which should put us in the frame for the finals.

Getting wins into guys like Swift/Nicnat is what its all about. We dont want them learning on a losing mentality.

 

[mitchzz]

So do we get something like Pick 3, 19, 35 now? (If we finish 14th)

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Melbourne will get picks 1 and 2 unless they win another two games.

We're likely to finish 12th or 13th.

13th will give us picks 5, 22 and 38.

12th will give us picks 6, 23 and 39.

(assuming Freo also qualify for a PP before the 2nd round)

 

[Biggie]

I like to win.

Sorry but its that simple.

 

[greennick]

must agree with that Bodazoka..always better to see the stirrings of self belief+confidence, than wait+wallow around for a free handout..

coulda sworn someone was guiding the ship down the tankers lane..but a relief to see a win..bloody strange games,tactics,skills,the whole season really..heres hoping its all gonna make sense from game 1 next year? (certainly lots of cream waiting to rise to the top)

good win guys, well done.

This is what happens when finals are out of the picture. Teams play around with strategy and match-ups. Just trying to find out what works and what doesn't for future years.

At least now when we continue to do this, it will be called experimentation, not tanking.

 

[greennick]

You forgot Palmer. Pick 7 is the way to go. Pick 6 is a cursed pick. Myers has struggled.

Trust us, we know. We had Sampi at 6 from the SUPERdraft.

 

[15_year_member]

Utter stupidity from the people in charge. But i expected it. The only way we were going to get that pick with th eeasy draw we have was to go out and fully tank by not playing senior players and we didn't have the courage to go that far to get the pick.

I had reserved criticism of Worsfold because i thought some of our bad performances were because we were going for the PP. Obviously we were not and we really are that bad. That is scary. I can't believe people are getting excited and declaring a new era on teh basis of a win by a moderate margin against a middle of the ladder team who never travels well and had a great many players out today.

 

[shoe]

I'm also gutted.

If we didn't tank against the Dockers it was the worst display we've put forward in a very long time...and we're going to need that PP when the GC come in.

We were just really, really shit. It's not really possible for the players to tank, only coaches/selectors can make teams tank.
The players are professional sportsmen. Their careers are on the line every game. Playing badly means they could get dropped or delisted. Their competitive qualities are what lead them to professional sportsmen in the first place.

What possible motivation could they have to play badly and tank? So that their team can draft a better (or additional in this case) youngster, who in turn they could be delisted to make room for?

 

[shoe]

**** i'm glad the PP is gone. Now I can laugh at all of you ****heads who told us we were idiots for wanting wins.

The only tragedy here is how many of you were sucked into it. It wasn't that long ago that threads about tanking were met with utter disdain. We are more than capable of drafting a quality list without purposely capitulating. Wheres your pride for the jumper?

Disgusted. Embarrassed. You know who you are.

 

[tcwaters]

**** i'm glad the PP is gone. Now I can laugh at all of you ****heads who told us we were idiots for wanting wins.

 

[15_year_member]

**** i'm glad the PP is gone. Now I can laugh at all of you ****heads who told us we were idiots for wanting wins.

The only tragedy here is how many of you were sucked into it. It wasn't that long ago that threads about tanking were met with utter disdain. We are more than capable of drafting a quality list without purposely capitulating. Wheres your pride for the jumper?

Disgusted. Embarrassed. You know who you are.

Why don't you go and have a look at the gun midfielders and KPP's in the teams that are on the top of the ladder and then go and look at where those blokes were taken in the draft. I'll give you a tip about what you will find - there weren't too many of them floating around after the first round. Money doesn't grow on trees and neither do gun footy players.

Your post makes me think of a man who has just blown $5,000 in the Burswood casino and now doesn't even have enough money for a cab ride hoem talking himself into believing it will all be alright because he is bound to find $5,000 lying around on the pavement somewhere on the walk home to replace it with. That kind of thing of just happens all the time, doesn't it? You get something really valuable for free?

 

[drexel]

I guess the club decided it wasn't worth the heat to finish the season with a mega tank when the quality of the top picks wasn't that great.

And i don't think Sampi was a bad pick... just sad we couldn't keep him on track after a few personal problems. Look how long it took someone like Leon Davis to get right. Honestly was it that much of a problem to just keep him on the list, hoping he would eventually click... as opposed to keeping some of the other hacks?

 

[Quinz]

I seriously hope our skill level improves drastically next season. We have the talent to make finals next season but if the skills arent upto it, we will suffer. Oh and work on the goal kicking too.

Absolutely CK, I think we have been better than our ladder position suggests this year though, and certainly much better than last year.

Consider that:

12 of our 18 games have been decided by less than 24 points- we have won just two of those. The other 6 have been by more, of which we have won three.

The only teams that have travelled and beaten us at Subiaco are all in the top 4 (Collingwood, St Kilda and Geelong), and they all won by between 3-4 goals.

We have beaten Port Adelaide, Essendon and Hawthorn at home, all fighting for the last few spots in the 8, and have beaten the Bulldogs who are in the top 4.

R1 Bris- Ahead in the third by plenty and should have won
R5 Haw- Ahead in the last quarter, poor kicking lost us the game
R6 Frem- Better side all day and kicked ourselves out of it, ahead in the last
R8 Syd- Ahead in the last, should have won, costly mistakes
R15 StK- Even at three quarter time, Saints too strong afterwards
R17 Frem- Should have won, kicked ourselves out of the game again

Collingwood, Melbourne, Richmond and Geelong were close but we weren't in a position really to win those games in the final stages.

Compare that to last year, when our average losing margin was just a tick under 10 goals. Our losses against Carlton, St Kilda and Port Adelaide are the only three games where we have been really outplayed for the whole match.

As the younger players develop and get more experience, we will be better off in those close matches and able to finish games stronger. The few that we really should have won (Both derbies, Brisbane and Sydney) would put us at 9 wins right now, and with some winnable games coming up could even be looking at an incredibly unlikely finals appearance. A few moments each game really can make a big difference.





Oh yeah, and back on topic- stuff the PP, I like seeing us win. Carn you Eagles!

We've collected quite a few high picks in the last few years to cover most positions on the ground, and have young developing talent all across the park.

 

[Anjahads]

Why don't you go and have a look at the gun midfielders and KPP's in the teams that are on the top of the ladder and then go and look at where those blokes were taken in the draft. I'll give you a tip about what you will find - there weren't too many of them floating around after the first round. Money doesn't grow on trees and neither do gun footy players.

Your post makes me think of a man who has just blown $5,000 in the Burswood casino and now doesn't even have enough money for a cab ride hoem talking himself into believing it will all be alright because he is bound to find $5,000 lying around on the pavement somewhere on the walk home to replace it with. That kind of thing of just happens all the time, doesn't it? You get something really valuable for free?

Goodes pick 43

 

[Clay Davis]

Goodes pick 43

Yeah, but then you have St Kilda who are currently undefeated and have a bunch of top 5 draft picks in their side. There are huge advantages in a top 5 pick, even in a poor draft.

What possible motivation could they have to play badly and tank? So that their team can draft a better (or additional in this case) youngster, who in turn they could be delisted to make room for?

Such a good point that so many forget. And for those who are angry that the coaching staff didn't tank, it's quite possible that they did. There weren't too many 'gamebreaking' changes to the Eagles side that played poorly against Freo (they even picked a 1st gamer), and there's no way they could have predicted that Swift and Naitanui would have such good games.

It was the players performance than delivered the win, not any moves by the coaches.

 

[15_year_member]

Goodes pick 43

We can all cherry pick exceptions, can't we? Where were Reiwoldt, Koschitske, Del Santo, Hayes, Ball, Goddard, Bartel, Selwood, Didak, Hodge, Franklin, Roughead, Rioli etc taken, mate? It wasn't pick 43.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Just for discussions sake, I would suggest that football players aren't above tanking. Generally speaking, footballers will do what's in the best interest of the club, as decided by the coach.

Why else does Mitch Brown spend time in defence? I'm sure if it wasn't for Worsfold telling him that playing as a defender allows us to play more of our better talls he'd line up in the forward line and say "CHF is my best position".

With that in mind, what if Worsfold told him that he should shank some kicks and that if he does he wont be judged on it? After all, this is also in the best interest of the club.

I suppose for the second example, a player who's been at the club for a long time and bleeds for it would be a better choice though, rather than Brown. So what if Worsfold said to Embley "We want this PP, therefore if you get a chance to kick a goal, let it slide. You've earnt your stripes at the club, 4 bad games aren't going to be the end of you, just do as your told and the Eagles will be better for it".

Does anyone think Embley would tell Worsfold to piss off? I don't and I think there are many players at our club who wouldn't as well as many, many players in the AFL who wouldn't tell their respective coaches to shove it.

...Like I said before, this is just for discussions sake and I'm not saying this happened or is happening yet, but I truely believe that players tanking is the next logical step for tanking to take.

Finally, I am glad (in a way) that the PP is gone and I hope we never come close to seeing one again but it's a kick in the teeth for me, because I now have to grips with the fact that we're bad enough to have legitimately lost to Fremantle and Melbourne and that we wont have a PP to improve this list, which is suddenly worst than I thought it was.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

We can all cherry pick exceptions, can't we? Where were Reiwoldt, Koschitske, Del Santo, Hayes, Ball, Goddard, Bartel, Selwood, Didak, Hodge, Franklin, Roughead, Rioli etc taken, mate? It wasn't pick 43.

And where were Oakley-Nicholls, Fiora, Molan, Dunn, Drum, Trotter, Bradley, Egan, Walsh, L.Brennan, Thorp, Reid, Livingston, Angwin, Dylan Smith, McDougall taken? All top 10 picks in the last decade.

Having a high pick isn't a guarantee of getting a superstar. Is it worth the short-term sacrifice of losing games and building a losing culture?