Our Forward Line

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Nice line up KUNG FU, agree those six are our best forwards. They key question is how they will be used and, more importantly, how the ball will be delivered to them.

2006 started well with our forward line. We created space, chose good options and generally looked dangerous. As the season wore on teams denied us space in our forward line. To combat this we tried to get the ball in quicker (in other words, bombing) which to me was the main reason for our struggle to kick a winning score at the end of the season. Partly good tactics from the opposition and (IMO) partly an over-reaction on our part to these tactics.

With our suspect/under-sized marking targets I don't think we can afford to "kick it long" as the crowd around me is fond of yelling in all circumstances.

 

[macca23]

absolutely - but I think the point Macca23 was making was that after having a less than super start to his career.......he then had to contend with Carey being in the same forward line which seemed to set him back.......then he had a great 2005.......but unfortunately an interrupted 2006.

So while I don't think anyone is saying Pez is a Jonathon Brown in the making........and will probably always be in the "workhorse" catagory......his developent curve has been positive.....and probably not deserving of comparison with Mini Leaguers.

Correct.

 

[- PC -]

You say Welsh ( tomarto) I say Perrie ( tomayto)

If anyone thinks Welsh is part of our best 6 I'll go he for chasey. Oh wait ...he would be if he wasnt injured or coming back from injury

 

[Crow-mo]

All our eggs in two baskets?

Six years, six drafts, six trade periods and six years of training/preseasons to develop our KPP's... and Sarge will be our CHF in 2007.

in 2005, much of this year lost to injury, pretty sure Perrie was No.7 in the entire league for contested marks.

yeah only on this f***ing board do we try to jettison a top 10 contested marker, just prove how clever our analysis is.

 

[Crow-mo]

He came of age in 2005 when he averaged 13-14 possessions per game and kicked 39.31, playing mainly across HF. He had a very good year in 2005.

Top 10 (no.7) in the league for contested marking.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What about his other seasons in the AFL? Can I judge those?

Sure, why not go back & judge his mini-league for, whilst your at it too.

You can hardly fault Perrie's more recent form. He may not be the flashy type that some supporters crave, but he is a damn handy workhorse type across HF.

 

[Drummond]

Sure, why not go back & judge his mini-league for, whilst your at it too.

You can hardly fault Perrie's more recent form. He may not be the flashy type that some supporters crave, but he is a damn handy workhorse type across HF.

Oh how I am sick of the word "workhorse".

Perrie had 8 possessions and was kept goalless in the PF. I think we need better production that than, workhorse or not.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Oh how I am sick of the word "workhorse".

Perrie had 8 possessions and was kept goalless in the PF. I think we need better production that than, workhorse or not.

Can you honestly say that you have an unbiased & balanced opinion of players based on what their actual output & importance to te structure of the side is? So you have gone from wanting to judge Perrie on his mini-league form to just his last game. Surely looking at his form line over the last 2 seasons would be a better approach.

 

[Mad Dog]

Oh how I am sick of the word "workhorse".

Perrie had 8 possessions and was kept goalless in the PF. I think we need better production that than, workhorse or not.

Perrie missed 16 games last year.

He was not fit enough to resume AFL never mind play finals.

He had to play because there was no Trent and no Ken.....and Roo and Bird were underdone as well.

As I've said before - assessing Perrie on 2006 is not representative

 

[macca23]

Oh how I am sick of the word "workhorse".

Perrie had 8 possessions and was kept goalless in the PF. I think we need better production that than, workhorse or not.

Anybody that expected Perrie to star in the finals when the tempo goes up a notch after missing 16 weeks with injury is dreaming. He had virtually zero fitness base, and would have been unlikely to have played in the finals on that fitness platform if we had all of our forwards available.

As for the title workhorse, it's a much more flattering one than "half-hearted" which Meesen was in 2005, and "undisciplined drinker" that Pfeiffer was in 2006.

Yet you have no problem praising these 2 players up.

Most peculiar.

 

[Crow-mo]

As for the title workhorse, it's a much more flattering one than "half-hearted" which Meesen was in 2005, and "undisciplined drinker" that Pfeiffer was in 2006.

Yet you have no problem praising these 2 players up.

ouchy.

 

[Edwards_09]

Perrie missed 16 games last year.

He was not fit enough to resume AFL never mind play finals.

He had to play because there was no Trent and no Ken.....and Roo and Bird were underdone as well.

As I've said before - assessing Perrie on 2006 is not representative

So to me that shows our list was exposed, yet people still believe we will win a premiership this year, I dont understand the logic behind that, when our list was exposed last year and this year before we have even started we are already two players down.

 

[Alex99]

Anybody that expected Perrie to star in the finals when the tempo goes up a notch after missing 16 weeks with injury is dreaming. He had virtually zero fitness base, and would have been unlikely to have played in the finals on that fitness platform if we had all of our forwards available.

Well said and i agree.

It’s also about Ian Perrie having his own self confidence that he belongs in this environment, for an elite sports person he doesn’t (well he used to anyway) poses the greatest self confidence in his own ability. He also has to have that confidence that his own body will stand up after such a difficult injury and it will allow him to go to every contest.

When Wayne Carey was around the club his football talent intimidated the hell out of Ian Perrie and it was not until Carey left he realized that he belonged in the system.

 

[Edwards_09]

Well said and i agree.

It’s also about Ian Perrie having his own self confidence that he belongs in this environment, for an elite sports person he doesn’t (well he used to anyway) poses the greatest self confidence in his own ability. He also has to have that confidence that his own body will stand up after such a difficult injury and it will allow him to go to every contest.

When Wayne Carey was around the club his football talent intimidated the hell out of Ian Perrie and it was not until Carey left he realized that he belonged in the system.

Carey was recruited to try and win a premiership, no other reason, Perrie was always going to take a backwards step in the light of Carey.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Ruck rover or Rover. Second tagging option.

Mattner and Reilly (Knights maybe) on a wing.

I dont think Craig will play 2 left footers on the wing. He likes his wingers to turn inside on their preferred foot thats why Mattner plays on the right wing and generally Burton on the left wing. That way they turn inside into the corrdor when they want to kick. Knights and Mattner are both left footers which causes a few problems. If Knights plays on the wing then Mattner will play HBF. Both of them as wingers, together will not happen IMHO.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I dont think my forward line is to bad in the end, maybe the shorter the better?

Here are the stats for 2006, goal kicking wise

Mark Ricciuto was our number 1 leading goal kicker with 44

Brett Burton was 3rd with 41

Matthew Bode was 4th with 32 goals

Scott Welsh was number 11 kicking 12 goals (playing only a few games for the season)

Nathan Bock was number 12 kicking 11 goals

Jason Porplyzia was number 13 kicking 10 goals.

When you have a look at that, the 6 men that i put in the forward line, are all in our top 13 goal kickers.

Those stats are pointless because you are not taking into the account the structure of the forward line. Roo operates much better when he has a big body next to him in the shape of Perrie, Hentschel, McGregor, Bock etc... I very much doubt he will function as well next to someone like Welsh or Porplyzia.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Does the names Angwin and Watts ring a bell??

Losing Angwin in particular setus back then Watts came along as Angwins replacement and B4 you know it 6 seasons have passed

Spot on

 

[Stiffy_18]

All our eggs in two baskets?

Six years, six drafts, six trade periods and six years of training/preseasons to develop our KPP's... and Sarge will be our CHF in 2007.

How can you pick someone thats not there?????

I mean seriously, how can you possibly justify wasting a draft pick on a less talented player just because he is a tall. I think we have tried a number of times of the years to get a player who can play that role but we are caught between a rock and a hard place. Crappy draft picks to do anything significant and punt we have taken have not paid off for one reason or another. Angwin, Watts, Krueger, Carey....etc have all been recruited to fill that key role but they have all failed for one reason or another.

Once again, this draft we have tried to address that problem but how it all pans out remains to be seen.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I'm not a Perrie fan, but that's unfair IMO Drummond.

He came of age in 2005 when he averaged 13-14 possessions per game and kicked 39.31, playing mainly across HF. He had a very good year in 2005.

He also started 2006 in similar fashion but he got injured in round 4, and re-appeared in round 21, when he played an excellent first up game.

Naturally he got found out in the finals because he had no base to work from after missing nearly all year.

He's no star, he's a workhorse, but he doesn't deserve to be titled "simply no good".

Well said

If Perrie were a norwood lad, Drummond would think that his ******** doesn't stink

 

[- PC -]

I dont think Craig will play 2 left footers on the wing. He likes his wingers to turn inside on their preferred foot thats why Mattner plays on the right wing and generally Burton on the left wing. That way they turn inside into the corrdor when they want to kick. Knights and Mattner are both left footers which causes a few problems. If Knights plays on the wing then Mattner will play HBF. Both of them as wingers, together will not happen IMHO.

Good pickup...had never thought of that

 

[Alex99]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21114467-12428,00.html

Macca goes up front for '07


ANDREW McLeod is poised to set Adelaide's forward line alight in 2007. After spending the majority of last year as a running half-back, the Crows' speedster is looming as coach Neil Craig's wildcard inside the attacking 50m arc.

The dual Norm Smith Medallist was used heavily as a forward during structural drills at Max Basheer Reserve yesterday, an example of what has been happening during the past fortnight.

"He's (McLeod) done a bit of work this week and last week up in the forward line," Crows forward Nathan Bock revealed.

"Along with a lot of other guys like Thommo (Scott Thompson), Goody (Simon Goodwin) and Brent Reilly, they've all done a rotation through that forward line.

"It's just about introducing a few different blokes into that forward line and getting that forward line knowledge so if the opportunities arise they're able to play that role."

Trying to establish himself up forward, Bock indicated McLeod's flexibility was going to be used more this season, by virtue of regular goal-scoring cameos.

"It would be good to see him play a bit of footy up forward this year, most definitely," Bock, who managed just seven AFL games in 2006, said.

"I think he can play any position on the ground really so wherever you put him he's going to be a handy contributor to the team.

"I remember watching a few games the year before when he played a few games up forward and he really turned it on."

Rather than watch McLeod's feats from the grandstands, Bock knows his challenge is to get the best seat in the house, on the field.

After taking more than half of last year to overcome a back injury, the utility sprung to life during the closing stages, including the finals.

And it is this form - as a hard-running key forward - the keen surfer is eager to replicate next to the man called "Bungy".

"I'm just looking forward to playing footy and getting back out there," Bock, 23, said.

"Obviously having such an interrupted year last year was pretty frustrating so I'm hoping to play as much footy as I can this year. The last half-a-dozen games last year I finished up playing in the forward line and at the moment I'm hoping I can play up forward."

 

[RoosterLad]

That is a strange move. Hopefully his knees hold up with all the twisting and turning required in the forward line, as a defender you run straight at the ball and continue on.
I wouldn't mind seeing him as a 'pinch hitter' in the forward 50, he could be a danger and we need to find bonus goals from somewhere.

 

[maccas_no1]

That is a strange move. Hopefully his knees hold up with all the twisting and turning required in the forward line, as a defender you run straight at the ball and continue on.
I wouldn't mind seeing him as a 'pinch hitter' in the forward 50, he could be a danger and we need to find bonus goals from somewhere.

This is the first 'try anything' in a make shift forwardline, if that doesnt work we will go to plan B, if that doesnt work we will go to plan C and so on.

It will all be alot of hit and miss stuff Im afraid simply because Hentschel is a huge loss, personally I like Mcleod better at CHB and running towards the middle.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

How can you pick someone thats not there?????

I mean seriously, how can you possibly justify wasting a draft pick on a less talented player just because he is a tall. I think we have tried a number of times of the years to get a player who can play that role but we are caught between a rock and a hard place.

Have we been prepared to spend money to make money though? How many genuinely good players have we let go in the last six years? Stenglein? That makes one. We have played things very safe at the trade table.

We have tried to paper over the cracks with the likes of Schell and Fitzgerald, drafted a few kids that haven't come on (as you mentioned) and been unlucky with Stevens/Hentschels knees.

To me the key forward positions are the most important on the ground and have been an achilles heal for a long time. I don't think it is good enough to say oh well, we couldn't do anything or for Craig to say he doesn't like trading players.

Agreed that a gun key forward was not going to fall in our laps given where we have been finishing on the ladder, which is why trading up becomes so important.