Recommitted Paddy Dow [OOC 2023] explored his options, but stayed

[bc27]

Would be a perfect player for a mid season trade period.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Or James Cousins. Who I argue showed more at AFL level than Dow has but didn't have the weight of being a top draft pick in his favour.

You liked Cousins, but he never really showed anything like Dow has.

 

[Blackhawk42]

You liked Cousins, but he never really showed anything like Dow has.

James Cousins and Paddy Dow AFL Stats Comparison

James Cousins and Paddy Dow AFL Stats Comparison.

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Paddy Dow isn't AFL standard for mine. He is still on a list because of where he was selected in the draft.

Cousins showed some improvement as each year progressed, but it ultimately wasn't enough to carve out a long AFL career. Had he not been a rookie selection you could argue he would have been given another chance at the end of last season.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

James Cousins and Paddy Dow AFL Stats Comparison

James Cousins and Paddy Dow AFL Stats Comparison.

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Paddy Dow isn't AFL standard for mine. He is still on a list because of where he was selected in the draft.

Cousins showed some improvement as each year progressed, but it ultimately wasn't enough to carve out a long AFL career. Had he not been a rookie selection you could argue he would have been given another chance at the end of last season.

Cousins hasn’t shown improvement though. He lacked composure and was t a good user, which is why he was delisted and no one touched him.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

James Cousins and Paddy Dow AFL Stats Comparison

James Cousins and Paddy Dow AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Paddy Dow isn't AFL standard for mine. He is still on a list because of where he was selected in the draft.

Cousins showed some improvement as each year progressed, but it ultimately wasn't enough to carve out a long AFL career. Had he not been a rookie selection you could argue he would have been given another chance at the end of last season.

Clubs don’t get caught up with where a player was picked like supporters do.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Cousins hasn’t shown improvement though. He lacked composure and was t a good user, which is why he was delisted and no one touched him.

Statistically he improved each year in the system. His flaws were there to see, no argument, however he improved his ball winning ability and defensive work.

Dow on the other hand has regressed each year and now can't get a game.

Even to the eye test, Cousins looked liked a more assured footballer. I watched Dow closely last season expecting a breakout run of form and was alarmed at how timid and clueless he looked at times. His kicking skills were very poor also when he did find time and space.


Edit: I'm not making Dom claims about Cousins ability just quietly. Purely from a statistical measure he improved year upon year and Paddy Dow hasn't. That's it in a nutshell.
Dow also isn't blessed with any rare talent or strength that makes him worth persevering with IMO. Much like Cousins.

 

[Forty3]

32 and 7 inside 50’s yesterday. Good game.

Any Blues that watched, what was his ball use like?

It was a very good game, and he's played a few very good games already this season.
As Doc said on radio the other day, he's improved a lot and is working harder than ever, unfortunately he can only play a position that we are currently well stocked in.
His VFL stats will be amazing all year as he is an extremely good inside/burst out midfielder who reads the ruck tap brilliantly. Mirkov, whilst a long was off AFL standard, has a field day in the ruck in the twos.
From the games I've seen, 70% of Dow's touches come from the rucks taps. Until he can find a way to get more consistently involved around the ground when the ball isn't in dispute and also learn a high half forward or wing craft, he will struggle to play senior footy unless he goes to a club that can use him exclusively as an inside mid.

 

[Foxman98]

Paddy Dow

15

Paddy Dow

Age

26

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

7.1

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.0

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.4

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

2.6

5star

is proof we need to get more brutal like the Americans do with list management. He has shown nothing for 3 years yet is still on the list because he was pick 3. They should've learnt from John O'Rourke and cut ties years ago

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Paddy Dow is proof we need to get more brutal like the Americans do with list management. He has shown nothing for 3 years yet is still on the list because he was pick 3. They should've learnt from John O'Rourke and cut ties years ago

He played 16 games and was in Carlton's best 22. Don't know that any team would cut a young player who's part of the best 22 regardless of where they were drafted.

If Carlton were looking to cut an underperforming mid in the offseason it more likely would have been Matt Kennedy - who wasn't best 22, had played less games the last 3 years than Dow, and is two years older.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Paddy Dow is proof we need to get more brutal like the Americans do with list management. He has shown nothing for 3 years yet is still on the list because he was pick 3. They should've learnt from John O'Rourke and cut ties years ago

We dont have the talent pools or athletic pools that the US (NFL) have access too

Less population/Less Talent Pool

 

[Forty3]

Paddy Dow is proof we need to get more brutal like the Americans do with list management. He has shown nothing for 3 years yet is still on the list because he was pick 3. They should've learnt from John O'Rourke and cut ties years ago

Completely disagree with this statement in every way. Not necessarily from a Dow specific stand point.
But it’s very hard to compare the Australian system to the US system.
Most American’s have a minimum of 1 and often up to 4 years of exposure in an ultra professional college environment.
Often drafted into the big leagues at the age of 21-22. So I can understand their more brutal approach to list management.
We take 17/18 year olds from a pretty amateur junior competition.
Dow is still only 22. Parish, Kennedy, Mitchell and even Jack Steele hadn’t shown an awful lot before the ages of 21-23.

Or do you really believe a more brutal approach should be taken, because I’d be happy to pick up JUH as a delisted player at the end of the year given his output at both an AFL and VFL level so far in his career.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Doesn't look like he is playing against The Crows.

Almost safe to say he won't be at Carlton next year. A shame, but it is what it is.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

He's our best performing midfielder in the VFL, even as a depth player he won't be delisted just like that.

Charlie Constable was our best performing midfielder last year and we delisted him

 

[lethalsaints]

He will go for a 3rd rounder

 

[Gumby2Hurley]

He will go for a 3rd rounder

Don’t see any bottom 10 vic teams giving up a top 30 pick for him. I think you’re right.

 

[Rich01]

I thought the reason why he wasn’t getting a fair crack at it last year was because of Teague. What’s the reason now?

 

[Jeremias]

I thought the reason why he wasn’t getting a fair crack at it last year was because of Teague. What’s the reason now?

Strange question - Cerra, Hewett and Matt Kennedy send their regards.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

I thought the reason why he wasn’t getting a fair crack at it last year was because of Teague. What’s the reason now?

He played 16 games last year, who said he didn't get a fair crack at it?

 

[Rich01]

He played 16 games last year, who said he didn't get a fair crack at it?

I thought the reason he wasn’t getting a fair go last year was because Teague wasn’t happy with him.

A Carlton poster mentioned it in this thread. Edit - it was Elmer on the last page.

 

[Rich01]

Strange question - Cerra, Hewett and Matt Kennedy send their regards.

Fair enough. So it wasn’t the fact Teague wasn’t giving him a go. Just not up to it. Carroll seems to be ahead of him now too.

 

[Jeremias]

Fair enough. So it wasn’t the fact Teague wasn’t giving him a go. Just not up to it. Carroll seems to be ahead of him now too.

I think you’re confusing yourself.

Dow was tracking well in his first few years.

Teague came in and moved him out of the midfield. He dropped off significantly as a result.

Towards the back half of last year, looked to get his mojo back a little. What did that coincide with?

He and Carroll don’t play the same position. Not sure why you’re comparing them?

 

[Rich01]

I think you’re confusing yourself.

Dow was tracking well in his first few years.

Teague came in and moved him out of the midfield. He dropped off significantly as a result.

Towards the back half of last year, looked to get his mojo back a little. What did that coincide with?

He and Carroll don’t play the same position. Not sure why you’re comparing them?

We obviously have differing views of ‘tracking well’.

Brayshaw and Cerra have always tracked well ahead of him in his draft class, but I think it’s widely acknowledged he won’t reach the heights of these players.

If we got him for a late pick or a DFA I wouldn’t mind him at my club joining his brother to see if we could turn him into a solid mid with an impact like Will Brodie is having at Freo. A solid team contributor.

I know we were keen on Paddy at the end of 2020 when he was in contract. Glad to hear there is no bad blood between him and Teague as well.

 

[Jeremias]

Brayshaw and Cerra have always tracked well ahead of him in his draft class, but I think it’s widely acknowledged he won’t reach the heights of these players.

What a strange post - who compared him to either?

 

[Fonzeno1]

Don’t see any bottom 10 vic teams giving up a top 30 pick for him. I think you’re right.

Agreed Carlton couldn't ask for any more

 

[petrolium]

He’d be lucky to get another gig. His high draft stocks are irrelevant now. I do think there will be a club though that will give him another chance to see if a change in environment can help bring out his best. No club would trade for him, only as a DFA. I can see us being that team.