Paul Bower vs Patrick Ryder

[d-mac3276]

Obviously didn't watch him much in 2008. If he improves as much as he did then again in 2009, he'd stich up the best and fairest easily.

Bower has one of the best spoiling techniques you will ever see, and has the balls to take on his opponents and run the ball out of the defensive 50. ATM he is a 3rd tall, but will eventually take CHB (earned AA there u/18s).

He's actually a very similar type player to Matthew Scarlett, but with better closing speed.

I expect big things.

Ha Ha same breath as Matty Scarlett oops i just fell over pissing my pants, u cannot be serious ha ha ha thats classic comedy at its best

 

[Winner]

Bower has one of the best spoiling techniques you will ever see, and has the balls to take on his opponents and run the ball out of the defensive 50. ATM he is a 3rd tall, but will eventually take CHB (earned AA there u/18s).

He's actually a very similar type player to Matthew Scarlett, but with better closing speed.

I expect big things.

So basically, he's the best player in the league?

 

[Smyth94]

I like Bower a lot - definitely something to work with there.

Ryder just has more x-factor about him though and there wouldn't be many players in the AFL I would swap for the Pad-dog.

I think people's perception of Ryder as a defender is downgraded because he loves to take a big grab, has a spectacular highlight reel and the fact he was top 5 in spoils remains somewhat glossed over.

Another thing that gets glossed over with Ryder are his kicking skills - they are just simply sublime for someone who stands at 6'5'', honestly he'd be close to the best kick at Essendon, not to mention his composure - he simply does not panick and always chooses the right option.

I just feel that we're only at the tip of the ice-berg with Paddy, his ceiling is astronomically high however, the major query is how much of the ball he will be able to get. If he can increase his average disposal to 15-20d PG then he will seriously hurt opposition sides. That will be the difference from him becoming multiple AA or simply a very good player.

 

[bomberstomake8]

I like Bower a lot - definitely something to work with there.

Ryder just has more x-factor about him though and there wouldn't be many players in the AFL I would swap for the Pad-dog.

I think people's perception of Ryder as a defender is downgraded because he loves to take a big grab, has a spectacular highlight reel and the fact he was top 5 in spoils remains somewhat glossed over.

Another thing that gets glossed over with Ryder are his kicking skills - they are just simply sublime for someone who stands at 6'5'', honestly he'd be close to the best kick at Essendon, not to mention his composure - he simply does not panick and always chooses the right option.

I just feel that we're only at the tip of the ice-berg with Paddy, his ceiling is astronomically high however, the major query is how much of the ball he will be able to get. If he can increase his average disposal to 15-20d PG then he will seriously hurt opposition sides. That will be the difference from him becoming multiple AA or simply a very good player.

yeah he also still needs to add a fair bit of muscle. at the momment he has to avoid contact with most forwards at all times. he tries to stay off and then come in late otherwise he knows he will be shoved off the ball... the concern however is that he may lose some athleticism

 

[ad4eva]

to me, Ryder by a decent stretch.

 

[Smyth94]

yeah he also still needs to add a fair bit of muscle. at the momment he has to avoid contact with most forwards at all times. he tries to stay off and then come in late otherwise he knows he will be shoved off the ball... the concern however is that he may lose some athleticism

I think the benefits of being physically stronger would far outweigh the tiny loss in athleticism

 

[Silvagnis]

Bower is a more natural defender than Ryder, but Ryder is obviously a better talent, athlete and kick.

Bower's spoiling and bodywork does remind me of SOS because of Paul's reach and timing.

Runs a bit like SOS as well...

I don't care that's off topic, but Mitch Clark will be better than Bower and Ryder in any position.

 

[celtic_pride]

I'll accept that Ryder would win this poll and probably is the better player at this stage, but some of the monkey's who are sledging Bower have NFI ...
It's not as if he's a hack, the bloke can actually play football, and was a contender for winning most improved player at Carlton this year, before he injured his wrist mid-season ..

 

[cormick]

I don't rate Ryder much.
So, process of elimination, means I choose Bower.
He's a good defender, but won't give much rebound.

 

[jonoman89]

Ha Ha same breath as Matty Scarlett oops i just fell over pissing my pants, u cannot be serious ha ha ha thats classic comedy at its best

So basically, he's the best player in the league?

Some people are very stupid. "Similar type player" does not mean he is as good as Scarlett, it just means they play the game in a similar fashion.

 

[jonoman89]

I don't rate Ryder much.
So, process of elimination, means I choose Bower.
He's a good defender, but won't give much rebound.

Bower not rebound? Have you ever actually watched him play? He runs through the corridor and bombs it inside 50 practically every 5 minutes.

He gives every Cartlon supporter heart attacks because he backs himself to run the lines.

 

[cormick]

Bower not rebound? Have you ever actually watched him play? He runs through the corridor and bombs it inside 50 practically every 5 minutes.

He gives every Cartlon supporter heart attacks because he backs himself to run the lines.

Worded that wrongly.
I meant Ryder.
People think he's this great attacker, but in actual fact, he rarely gives much offensive movement.

 

[Smyth94]

Worded that wrongly.
I meant Ryder.
People think he's this great attacker, but in actual fact, he rarely gives much offensive movement.

Who thinks that? Certainly not Essendon supporters - thats our biggest question mark of Paddy.

Needs to get more of the ball

 

[Daytripper]

R

Ryder may turn out better as he has more x-factor but wouldn't trade Bower for him.

I think the Carlton list manager job is safe then.

 

[Treleven2Crawshay]

i think both are quite decent key defenders with rider probably slightly ahead at the moment.
but i think both will be out shined by shoenmakers.

 

[Willo #6]

Ryder, by a fair bit.

 

[munckz]

Ryder easy..

but who is bower?? never heard of him

 

[mediumsizered]

Ryder easy..

but who is bower?? never heard of him

Which would mean your comment "Ryder easy" is a totally uninformed comment as you have obviously not seen Bower in action, so cannot make an informed comparison. IMO,Ryder is a little bit ahead of Bower, but I think Bower will ultimately be the better defender, as he will be allowed to make a defensive position his own, whereas I can see Ryder being played in other roles as time goes by, eg forward/ruck.

 

[munckz]

I see, bower plays for carlton. that's why I hadn't heard of him

 

[smiddaz123]

Ryder has more upside and potential than Bower.

Whether he actually reaches that potential is another matter, I'd much prefer Ryder though. Well worth the risk.

 

[thegreenmachine]

The only thing that's laughable in this thread are the comments from a very small amount of one-eyed Essendon supporters hanging shit on Bower.
Ryder wins this poll and most Carlton supporters would see that Ryder is the better defender at the moment, and is a far more versatile player.
But some of the comments that suggest that Bower is a dud, please, you have no idea what you're talking about.
If you can't take my word at least read neutral supporters' points, most have been fairly good.

 

[AlanDidak4life]

I have seen more of Ryder than Bower, Ryder at this point looks like he will be more dominant but if Bower continues as he is i think he would be up there with Ryder.

 

[BlueDW]

Ryder by a long way.

Bower is a spud.

Give Travis Cloke a call and ask him how much of a spud Bower is. If you cant find his number get the dvd out of round 4 this year mate and see for yourself!

 

[1981]

Ryder easily right now. He has an enormous amount of class.

But unless he can bulk up, I think Bower in time might catch up with him as I think Bower has a lot of room for improvement and likely will improve.

Ryder is incredibly talented but skinny and doesn't look like putting on weight.

 

[HARKER]

I see, bower plays for carlton. that's why I hadn't heard of him

Mmmm, don't follow the AFL (a.k.a. Footy)
Ryder (plays for Ess En Don) had a great start in his career but development seems to have stalled somewhat.
Bower (plays for Carl Ton) is 19 and has already some large scalps to his name. He will only get better, much better.

Ryder the better player now. I'd take Bower in the long run.