Peter Dutton - How Long?

[DaRick]

He is an ex add man - colour me surprised. Do you actually need any relevant qualifications to get a job on Sky or do you just need to prove you are a bigoted campaigner?

The Sky After Dark links to the LNP is seriously unhealthy. The tail is wagging the dog.

I think in his case, he's part ethical cipher and part troll.

 

[Kwality]

So after an extended period of wages falling, we've had no inflation, right?

Interesting conclusion you are wanting to push. Fine, but wanting to put it on me is miserable, as is your intent, as well you know.

 

[Kwality]

But technically risen in dollar terms which means unscrupulous business owners point to increase wage cost while adding massive mayo to jack up profit margins yet still evade tax.

Tax evasion or tax minimisation ?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/tax-disputes-expected-to-grow-as-ato-works-through-pandemics-mergers-and-acquisitions-activity/news-story/a183a57633d3ad7955c501c7b6507ada

'Baker McKenzie data shows local tax professionals report resorting to litigation to resolve tax disputes much more often than some European respondents.

Just 25 per cent of German respondents resorted to litigation compared with 32 per cent of Australian companies.

One in two Australian respondents said their companies had arrived at negotiated settlements over tax issues.

Mr Hurst said Australian companies were being affected by other countries’ tax rules flowing into their operations.'

“It’s moving from a two-sided thing, to multi-country, to multidimensional,” he said.

Mr Hurst said Baker McKenzie clients had a growing concern that tax authorities were diving deeper into international tax arrangements and scrutinising global activities.

“There’s an ATO task force specifically looking at large entities with the objective of closing the tax gap,” he said.

The Australian Taxation Office recently secured a $1bn settlement from mining giant Rio Tinto over the use of the firm’s Singapore marketing hub.

Rio agreed to pay the additional tax, on top of sums already paid, after the ATO’s Tax Avoidance Taskforce took aim the company.

ATO deputy commissioner Rebecca Saint touted the win as showing “the importance of Australia’s world-leading anti-transfer mispricing rules and a tax administrator properly resourced with the capabilities to deal with this type of dispute”.


.... Baker McKenzie tax partner Simone Bridges said the global crackdown on tax minimisation had been coming for “a long time”.

“While we talk about how aggressive and how much scrutiny taxpayers are under in Australia, that’s not happening in a vacuum, that’s happening globally,” she said.


Interesting topic Tax.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Tax evasion or tax minimisation ?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/tax-disputes-expected-to-grow-as-ato-works-through-pandemics-mergers-and-acquisitions-activity/news-story/a183a57633d3ad7955c501c7b6507ada

'Baker McKenzie data shows local tax professionals report resorting to litigation to resolve tax disputes much more often than some European respondents.

Just 25 per cent of German respondents resorted to litigation compared with 32 per cent of Australian companies.

One in two Australian respondents said their companies had arrived at negotiated settlements over tax issues.

Mr Hurst said Australian companies were being affected by other countries’ tax rules flowing into their operations.'

“It’s moving from a two-sided thing, to multi-country, to multidimensional,” he said.

Mr Hurst said Baker McKenzie clients had a growing concern that tax authorities were diving deeper into international tax arrangements and scrutinising global activities.

“There’s an ATO task force specifically looking at large entities with the objective of closing the tax gap,” he said.

The Australian Taxation Office recently secured a $1bn settlement from mining giant Rio Tinto over the use of the firm’s Singapore marketing hub.

Rio agreed to pay the additional tax, on top of sums already paid, after the ATO’s Tax Avoidance Taskforce took aim the company.

ATO deputy commissioner Rebecca Saint touted the win as showing “the importance of Australia’s world-leading anti-transfer mispricing rules and a tax administrator properly resourced with the capabilities to deal with this type of dispute”.


.... Baker McKenzie tax partner Simone Bridges said the global crackdown on tax minimisation had been coming for “a long time”.

“While we talk about how aggressive and how much scrutiny taxpayers are under in Australia, that’s not happening in a vacuum, that’s happening globally,” she said.


Interesting topic Tax.

I call use of multinational arrangements as inherently shifty and therefore evasion, not minimisation. But I also believe in the break up of all multinationals.

 

[Not Important]

clearly, the reason for the libs being on the nose isn’t their incompetence, the corruption, the pissing on workers via robot, their lies..............

 

[Kwality]

I call use of multinational arrangements as inherently shifty and therefore evasion, not minimisation. But I also believe in the break up of all multinationals.

The reality is tax is a world problem & the world is very self interested. Whats in it for me ?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

clearly, the reason for the libs being on the nose isn’t their incompetence, the corruption, the pissing on workers via robot, their lies..............

Megan Herbert's was brill.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Yes the 70s are burnt in, although the 80s did more damage to the wallet. Lets never go back there.

The 70s and 80s were 40 years ago.

And yet were a paradise compared to Howard ****ing this nation up and the post Howard years.

its 2023 now, guess what in my lifetime the libs/nats have destroyed my nation, screwed myself and my mates over, We are out for lib and nat blood.

 

[Crankyhawk]

clearly, the reason for the libs being on the nose isn’t their incompetence, the corruption, the pissing on workers via robot, their lies..............

On the second cartoon it just shows that the liberals they are basic.

 

[Crankyhawk]

The reality is tax is a world problem & the world is very self interested. Whats in it for me ?

Rip up multinationals and carve out parts to individual countries

 

[Kwality]

Rip up multinationals and carve out parts to individual countries

Great theory.

Imagine a Company listed on the Nasdaq & the ASX, earning most of its income in Europe, major shareholder in Canada, mining leases in WA to be developed, funded by borrowings from China, based on a pre sold contract to supply product to Japan.

As for carve ups you'd need Aus Super Funds investing in Australia, not to mention the rest of the world agreeing with your action.

 

[Northalives]

Dutton on the Insiders was full of erroneous shit and an absolute embarrassment to the intelligence of all fair minded people.

Dutton reverted to being the Queensland policeman that he's always been and verballed the Prime Minister, the solicitor general, members of the business community etc. He also continued with the disgusting, disingenuous attacks on the Voice by bringing up things that are basically insignificant to the functions of the Voice. I have been banned from the Referendum thread because of some precious fanboys so I can't keep calling out the Duttons, Credlins, Thorpes, Mundines etc.

For those who didn't witness what those named above lend their support to, here is the the right wing moron on the Insiders and if it weren't for the fact that the he was getting support from the anti-Voice opportunists and he in turn legitimising their opposition, long may he reign as the leader of the Liberal Party:

 

[Crankyhawk]

Dutton on the Insiders was full of erroneous s**t and an absolute embarrassment to the intelligence of all fair minded people.

Dutton reverted to being the Queensland policeman that he's always been and verballed the Prime Minister, the solicitor general, members of the business community etc. He also continued with the disgusting, disingenuous attacks on the Voice by bringing up things that are basically insignificant to the functions of the Voice. I have been banned from the Referendum thread because of some precious fanboys so I can't keep calling out the Duttons, Credlins, Thorpes, Mundines etc.

For those who didn't witness what those named above lend their support to, here is the the right wing moron on the Insiders and if it weren't for the fact that the he was getting support from the anti-Voice opportunists and he in turn legitimising their opposition, long may he reign as the leader of the Liberal Party:

not to mention the bullshit claims of "private conversations" that contradict public statements. No one can or should believe him, but the lamestream sky news just takes it at face value (actually they probably were the ones who told dutton of the private conversations in the first place)
no policies
no plan
we can't let labor define the liberal party but the definition is 50% "fix up the mess labor leaves" - when fact checking shows it is the LNP that are the less competent economic managers.

 

[Kwality]

Dutton on the Insiders was full of erroneous s**t and an absolute embarrassment to the intelligence of all fair minded people.

Dutton reverted to being the Queensland policeman that he's always been and verballed the Prime Minister, the solicitor general, members of the business community etc. He also continued with the disgusting, disingenuous attacks on the Voice by bringing up things that are basically insignificant to the functions of the Voice. I have been banned from the Referendum thread because of some precious fanboys so I can't keep calling out the Duttons, Credlins, Thorpes, Mundines etc.

For those who didn't witness what those named above lend their support to, here is the the right wing moron on the Insiders and if it weren't for the fact that the he was getting support from the anti-Voice opportunists and he in turn legitimising their opposition, long may he reign as the leader of the Liberal Party:

Dutton can question any aspect of the Voice & Albo can refuse to answer those questions.
Same as the failed Republic referendum : the promoters did not answer how the President was to be appointed, i.e FAIL.
IF Albo doesnt answer all questions (frivolous or not), blaming Dutton would be as pathetic as those who blame Howard for the Republic.

No, I'm not interested in debating the Republic with you - I voted in favour.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Dutton can question any aspect of the Voice & Albo can refuse to answer those questions.
Same as the failed Republic referendum : the promoters did not answer how the President was to be appointed, i.e FAIL.
IF Albo doesnt answer all questions (frivolous or not), blaming Dutton would be as pathetic as those who blame Howard for the Republic.

No, I'm not interested in debating the Republic with you - I voted in favour.

dutton is fabricating issues that only exist up his own arse

 

[Northalives]

Dutton can question any aspect of the Voice & Albo can refuse to answer those questions.
Same as the failed Republic referendum : the promoters did not answer how the President was to be appointed, i.e FAIL.
IF Albo doesnt answer all questions (frivolous or not), blaming Dutton would be as pathetic as those who blame Howard for the Republic.

No, I'm not interested in debating the Republic with you - I voted in favour.

Answer what f****ing questions? The disingenuous bullshit that Dutton and those who don't want the referendum to succeed ask? The questions that they know are insignificant and just asked to stoke fear and muddy the waters?

Albanese has answered the questions that pertain to the Voice, it's just that those who don't want to know the answers refuse to listen.

He has said that the first step is to have Indigenous peoples recognised in the Constitution AND to have a Voice to Parliament and if the referendum is passed, it will not change the procedures of Parliament in respect of making laws other than taking into consideration the inalienable right of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples to voice their opinions and wishes to the Parliament of Australia.

The make up of the Voice to Parliament is a matter for the indigenous peoples, just as it was a matter for the indigenous people to come up with the Uluru Statement from the Heart. It will be a "bottom up" structure, not a "top down" structure and will not be subject to interference from non-indigenous people. Of course they will be able to voice their opinion in all matters they deem to be relevant to them, whether it be minerals exploration, land use, defence of the realm, education, health, justice .... the whole gambit of issues that effect indigenous people. What is so scary about that? What its so complex about that?

It is a simple concept: allow Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples to have a voice in Parliament and to have them recognised as the original inhabitants of this land - how breathtakingly simple!

Just on the Republic; you are completely wrong in saying "....the failed Republic referendum : the promoters did not answer how the President was to be appointed, i.e FAIL." The "promoters" of the Republic put forward how the President would be elected, that is, by a vote of both Houses of Parliament which was eminently sensible and is how High Court Judges are, for all intents and purposes, selected. It was the buffoon Cleary and his pretentious, brain dead self appointed "lefties" that muddied the water and proposed that the President be elected like they are elected in the USA that f***ed everything up.

 

[QuietB]

Dutton can question any aspect of the Voice & Albo can refuse to answer those questions.
Same as the failed Republic referendum : the promoters did not answer how the President was to be appointed, i.e FAIL.
IF Albo doesnt answer all questions (frivolous or not), blaming Dutton would be as pathetic as those who blame Howard for the Republic.

No, I'm not interested in debating the Republic with you - I voted in favour.

There is one major difference;

Howard was the PM, not everyone liked him but everyone took him seriously.

No one except the cookers takes Dutton seriously.

By the time this referendum happens Dutton will have zero credibility left - if we are not there already.

He is the boy that cried wolf. He has already used up too many “no’s” on frivolous nothings.

 

[Gough]

There is one major difference;

Howard was the PM, not everyone liked him but everyone took him seriously.

No one except the cookers takes Dutton seriously.

By the time this referendum happens Dutton will have zero credibility left - if we are not there already.

He is the boy that cried wolf. He has already used up too many “no’s” on frivolous nothings.

If the Libs come out against the Voice the nasty party tag will just be reinforced, they'll be chucked in with Hanson whether they like it or not. This is a big call for them.

 

[Captivating]

Rip up multinationals and carve out parts to individual countries

So you want to pay more for everything? Great idea!!!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So you want to pay more for everything? Great idea!!!

Well that's a little bit simplistic.

 

[Home Alone]

So you want to pay more for everything? Great idea!!!

Small price to pay to keep the morally bankrupt away from any position of influence.

 

[Crankyhawk]

So you want to pay more for everything? Great idea!!!

As opposed to multinationals paying no tax and being outside any rules?
Yeah happy for higher prices

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

If the Libs come out against the Voice the nasty party tag will just be reinforced, they'll be chucked in with Hanson whether they like it or not. This is a big call for them.

It's just an opportunity for the ALP to remind everyone about Dutton's response to the apology 15 years ago. You could already see Kate Thwaites taking the opportunity to do it when they were closing out the ABC Aston coverage with her and Wolahan.

 

[peetoo]

It’s a sustainable competitive disadvantage all right

 

[Kwality]

Well that's a little bit simplistic.

So is pulling apart multi nationals, yet the suggestion is in good faith & well worth the discussion.