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[Minotaur2]

Really?

Yes - whilst what I said was fairly poorly worded, I think the club should have done better in arguing against this rule change.

We needed to be stronger and harder from the start. Think of what Eddie McGuire would have done.

Some say it is because we can't bite the hand that feeds us - Koch wants to be on the commission etc. Compliance/appeasement never works - you just get trodden on. Who is more likely to be appointed to the commission McGuire or Koch? Obviously, McGuire whose reputation is built on effective non-compliance.

I always assumed that we were making the argument forcefully in private. But now that I have heard the arguments made - Koch on radio and the CE in his letter to members - I understand why they failed to change anyone's mind. Those arguments don't seem overly considered - like they have just thought of them and they are not compelling at all.

Where I think we went wrong was not attacking the principle of it. This does not create equity or fairness. It does the opposite. The way to make it fair was to let everyone get a lick of the ice-cream. Instead, what the AFL has done is shut the ice cream shop after some teams have had multiple licks (and in fact bought some tubs and have taken them home and will continue to have ice cream for years to come) and others none. So either you don't change the rules and recognise they are unfair in the moment but should even out over time, or you grandfather it in a manner that all get to use the rules to the same amount before closing it off. Someone suggested on the trading board that all teams that have not had the benefit yet (including us and presumably ST Kilda) should get a turn before the tap is shut for them. I'm not sure that is the correct solution but I think it recognises the core of the problem. Our arguments do not confront the core issue of entrenching unfairness.

Ultimately, I think our arguments came across as not being about principle but all about self-interest and that is why they failed to gather support from other clubs and decision makers. So, yes we should have done better.

 

[FishingRick04]

Whilst we were petition for Dougie and at the same time the changes were being discussed, were both conversations merged together at all?

 

[Wargreymon90]

Whilst we were petition for Dougie and at the same time the changes were being discussed, were both conversations merged together at all?

I’d bet my bottom dollar that they have said we are lucky to even have access to Dougie and to shut up.

 

[El_Scorcho]

While I don't think we're specifically being targeted, I do think the AFL see us as an easy target for this sort of screw job where they'll be able to see it blow over.

What i'd like to see from the club is to petition the league that if the rules are determined to be too stringent, which they will be, and are loosened off, that we are compensated for what we lost.

 

[SteppingTiger]

I must have missed it, but is there a specific issue/reason that has driven St Kilda to be so vocal about the bidding/matching rules for NGA and F/S?

Is it just because they have recently spent up big on UFA and RFA (and Nas)?

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Cody Walker making VFL debut this weekend, pick 1 pick 1!

 

[malcheski]

I must have missed it, but is there a specific issue/reason that has driven St Kilda to be so vocal about the bidding/matching rules for NGA and F/S?

Is it just because they have recently spent up big on UFA and RFA (and Nas)?

Because they've sucked ass for so long the only conclusion they have landed at is because they have missed top end talent because of academies/FS. Extremely ironic considering their draft history and a hit list of winners:

2013: Billings at 3, Bontempelli went 4
2014: McCartin at 1, Petracca went 2
2017: Clark at 7, Coffield at 8, Naughton went 9
2018: Max King at 4, Rozee went 5, Smith went 6

 

[#Port Patriot#]

Because they've sucked ass for so long the only conclusion they have landed at is because they have missed top end talent because of academies/FS. Extremely ironic considering their draft history and a hit list of winners:

2013: Billings at 3, Bontempelli went 4
2014: McCartin at 1, Petracca went 2
2017: Clark at 7, Coffield at 8, Naughton went 9
2018: Max King at 4, Rozee went 5, Smith went 6

What's funny is, Rozee actually supported Saints growing up. They missed out on him by choosing King.

Then they complain for being trash at list management and as a club overall.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

2018: Max King at 4, Rozee went 5, Smith went 6

Its funnier when you add Ben King at 7.

And that they picked the twin that was out with a knee reco.

 

[SC_Power]

Because they've sucked ass for so long the only conclusion they have landed at is because they have missed top end talent because of academies/FS. Extremely ironic considering their draft history and a hit list of winners:

2013: Billings at 3, Bontempelli went 4
2014: McCartin at 1, Petracca went 2
2017: Clark at 7, Coffield at 8, Naughton went 9
2018: Max King at 4, Rozee went 5, Smith went 6

Don’t forget their NGA pick from last season that slid from late first rounder to 50+.

This NGA mind you was from the “Vik-mare-tro” indigenous tribe of central Victoria, where this young player could have been lost to the sport of “whatever they play in Hong Kong where he was born” instead of Aussie Rules.

Hypocrites.

 

[SC_Power]

While I don't think we're specifically being targeted, I do think the AFL see us as an easy target for this sort of screw job where they'll be able to see it blow over.

What i'd like to see from the club is to petition the league that if the rules are determined to be too stringent, which they will be, and are loosened off, that we are compensated for what we lost.

It’s funny how much legalese and lawyering up they do for a $1500 fine to a player, yet run the draft like a Monopoly board. (Which isn’t fair to Monopoly, the rules are pretty clear except for the Free Parking collect all the fines rule)

I liken how they should have treated the draft rules like a tax year.
You have tax laws that govern a financial year, and you prepare your business and super payments and salary sacrifice and capital gains etc around those laws for that 12 months.
Equivalent to the AFL’s thought process would be as an example “the super co contribution disproportionately favours those with disposable income over those on the breadline, so we’ve decided to stop this rort immediately, now from May that you can’t do that this financial year, and if youve done it already you are taxed at the full income tax rate. We’ve been talking about it for a while so you should have planned better”. Imagine the firestorm the next 24 hours after that.
But we just wave this through.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Whilst we were petition for Dougie and at the same time the changes were being discussed, were both conversations merged together at all?

Of course not. Its just the AFL running another, you can wear your Heritage top in Heritage rounds provided its not against Collingwood, and then dumping Heritage Round.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Suns CEO Mark Evans hit out at City Hall changes. “Every announcement at the moment seems like it doesn’t help NSW or Queensland. In the same breath the AFL talks about sacking Opening Round and extending Gather Round while it puts a tariff on academy and father-son talent"​

heck the northern states. The AFL thinking is so skewed to them and then you have the Vic media pushing their agenda on the AFL inc 7 Melbourne refusing to give the showdown national coverage and putting on 2 Friday night games the next few weeks and 1 of them has at least 1 Vic team.

 

[portforever]

heck the northern states. The AFL thinking is so skewed to them and then you have the Vic media pushing their agenda on the AFL inc 7 Melbourne refusing to give the showdown national coverage and putting on 2 Friday night games the next few weeks and 1 of them has at least 1 Vic team.

I remember AFL promised the first Showdown in Adelaide Oval would be a Friday night stand alone special. But as usual never happened.

 

[longdonkey]

heck the northern states. The AFL thinking is so skewed to them and then you have the Vic media pushing their agenda on the AFL inc 7 Melbourne refusing to give the showdown national coverage and putting on 2 Friday night games the next few weeks and 1 of them has at least 1 Vic team.

Surely you don't think that the AFL contemplated that the NSW and Qld teams would get access to top end talent through their Academies. They were brought in to decrease the number of draftees leaving Melbourne and the NSW/Qld teams can bring in their guys from Southport or find Israel Folau 2.0. Even though there is a constant stream of players returning home Melbourne clubs had to use their top end picks to get them in meaning they had issues drafting the next round of Melbourne 18 year olds.

 

[JohnHinckleyJr]

Sorry folks, the Oracle Gerald Weasley has ordained that the changes are all good, long overdue, and the more people are complaining about them proves that the more necessary the changes are.

He's one mother ****er I wouldn't resuscitate

 

[El_Scorcho]

Our only chance of Cochrane not getting bid on at pick 1 is Walker getting bid on at pick 1. The club holding the number 1 pick is basically forced to bid if there is an elite talent because of the dumbass new rule giving them an extra pick.

 

[SC_Power]

Sorry folks, the Oracle Gerald Weasley has ordained that the changes are all good, long overdue, and the more people are complaining about them proves that the more necessary the changes are.

Good news folks, the Oracle Gerald Whately has ordained that he should himself be sacked, long overdue, and the more people are complaining about him proves that the more necessary his sacking is.

 

[Revan11]

While I don't think we're specifically being targeted, I do think the AFL see us as an easy target for this sort of screw job where they'll be able to see it blow over.

What i'd like to see from the club is to petition the league that if the rules are determined to be too stringent, which they will be, and are loosened off, that we are compensated for what we lost.

Agree. If the rules get softened after 2027 we should apply for an assistance package

 

[Schulzenfest]

Our only chance of Cochrane not getting bid on at pick 1 is Walker getting bid on at pick 1. The club holding the number 1 pick is basically forced to bid if there is an elite talent because of the dumbass new rule giving them an extra pick.

Hopefully Richmond win the spoon then, they'll be more motivated to **** with Carlton than to **** with us.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Surely you don't think that the AFL contemplated that the NSW and Qld teams would get access to top end talent through their Academies. They were brought in to decrease the number of draftees leaving Melbourne and the NSW/Qld teams can bring in their guys from Southport or find Israel Folau 2.0. Even though there is a constant stream of players returning home Melbourne clubs had to use their top end picks to get them in meaning they had issues drafting the next round of Melbourne 18 year olds.

Sydney made it very clear they would use their academy to find talent wherever they could in their zone and very early on they were spending 2 or 3 times what Brisbane were spending, several times even more than GC and GWS.

I was always confident that the Suns would find local talent because so many Victorians and South Australians move to the GC and their kids would play AF and not RL. My sister lives on the GC so I went there nearly every year between the late 90's and covid. I lived there in 2003 so had a good feel about AF's development on the GC. Sydneysiders tend to move to Byron Bay, Tweed Heads and the Sunshine Coast.

 

[Freak Dodgeball Accident]

To do what? What standing would lawyers have to do anything about this situation?

The AFL is a private company. It has the right to set its own draft rules. There's no law that says those draft rules have to be fair.

If we get that lawyer with the dog yapping in the background we might be a chance