Potential list changes for 2011

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: List changes for 2011

The Cats may want to hang on to Wojac due to Ablett's departure. We will be short of our two best run and carry players if both depart.

That is possible.

I suppose all I was saying is if we win the flag (and I'm just being hypothetical, not like that arrogant thread on the main board) a player like Wojo the possibility of being dropped might make him be enough to go look, I have three flags, this is as good as it gets, I think i'll retire. Whereas it's a different equation (when considering retirement) for the Ottens's and Scarlett's who know they'll never be dropped.

Anyway, for what it's worth, this is what I think might happen:
Outs from senior list: Gary Ablett Jnr (GC17), Darren Milburn (ret), Brad Ottens (ret), David Wocjinski (ret), Ryan Gamble (trade/delist)

Additions to senior list: 3 X ND picks, James Podsiadly, Adam Varcoe

Leaves us with 3 ND picks and 2 rookie picks (I wonder what the lowest number of picks we've ever taken in the rookie draft it).

This list is a complete guess, but might be accurate. Pods will be upgraded, I would have said Varcoe was a certainty before last week, but whether we will want to upgrade someone who'll be out all next year is another question. If he doesn't get elevated then I reckon Ben Johnson is the next most likely to be elevated, particularly if Mooney goes.

I hope we keep all our rookies.

I would like to keep West as I think on performance he deserves to stay more than Gamble etc, and I don't like our chances of picking up another ruckman in this draft (besides which they'll take years to develop anyway) and I would never go into a season with only 3 ruckmen on my list, but that's just me.

This list could change if West, DJ or even Hogan request a trade elsewhere to get more playing opportunities.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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Out: Milburn, Ablett, West, Gamble
Upgrade: Podsiadly

Every team is obliged to take three draft selections AFAIK.

Premiership-quality midfield depth is legendary but directly below that is thin.
Current Mids: Ablett, Bartel, Ling, Selwood, Corey, Kelly
Mid/Forward: Chapman, Stokes, T Varcoe

Next Up Mids: Hogan, Djerrkura, Christensen
Mid/Forward: Duncan, Menzel

So the proven talent does not run as deeply as we'd like to think. Would make sense to keep Djerrkura for that reason. And don't think the rookies are setting the world alight ('part from Pods). West is unlucky but with four other ruckmen is surplus.

Incorrect. One of the rules they changed last year, along with the mature age rookie and 3rd year rookie rules, is that while you need to make 3 senior list changes, you can include rookies in that now. I.e. you can take 2 ND picks, and elevate a rookie, and that's your 3 changes, which you will see a lot of clubs do given the perceived weakness in this year's draft. In fact you could even elevate 3 rookies and have no ND picks, though I struggle to see anyone doing that.

 

[Gladbaqs]

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Incorrect. One of the rules they changed last year, along with the mature age rookie and 3rd year rookie rules, is that while you need to make 3 senior list changes, you can include rookies in that now. I.e. you can take 2 ND picks, and elevate a rookie, and that's your 3 changes, which you will see a lot of clubs do given the perceived weakness in this year's draft. In fact you could even elevate 3 rookies and have no ND picks, though I struggle to see anyone doing that.

I read my fair share of footy crap and I still don't know where to find out about list management rules...

 

[pinion]

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given how bad our picks will be this year, i think we'll probably maintain as much of our list as we can. milburn, ottens and rooke are almost certain retirements and ablett will go, which could mean everyone else is safe

 

[Vdubs]

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The deeper we go in September the later the decision, but if we go all the way, I don't really mind what happens. Reckon they might do something extra for Bomber's last season anyway.

In reality, Corey, Ottens, Rooke, Scarlett and definitely Milburn are close to their use-by-dates.

 

[couchy555]

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Sad that most of us are in agreement that ablett's gone. Sadder that i agree with you all too.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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Sad that most of us are in agreement that ablett's gone. Sadder that i agree with you all too.

Sad, but probably true.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: List changes for 2011

given how bad our picks will be this year, i think we'll probably maintain as much of our list as we can. milburn, ottens and rooke are almost certain retirements and ablett will go, which could mean everyone else is safe

I would agree.

Hypothetically if we win the flag we get 26, 42, and 58 I think, and I couldn't see us using 74. If we use that pick or any beyond it it may just be to elevate rookies and then we can pick up an extra couple in the rookie draft.

Will depend on retirements and so the club won't know until after the GF anyway.

 

[Casey Cat]

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I would agree.

Hypothetically if we win the flag we get 26, 42, and 58 I think, and I couldn't see us using 74. If we use that pick or any beyond it it may just be to elevate rookies and then we can pick up an extra couple in the rookie draft.

You know, I'd back Wells to come up with 2 good players with picks 26 and 42.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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You know, I'd back Wells to come up with 2 good players with picks 26 and 42.

Agree.

FWIW I think Wells could find a good un' at 74, he's that good. The trouble is while there may be a good un, there may not be a good un of the specific type we are after (needs wise) because everyone will be picking for needs this year, which doesn't happen across the board most years. Hence why I reckon anything beyond our third rounder will be used to elevate rookies if any are deserving, and then we can go to the rookie draft, which gives us the advantage of getting blokes in for pre seasons/recruiting from our vfl program again.

 

[Belisarius]

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It will be the hardest draft our recruiting guys will be involved with ever.

I know their good but surely opposition clubs are getting better at drafting and we are so far down the pecking order. And GC have had a long while to basically just concentrate on all the young players coming thru.

You would think they would have fair idea of who is out there and take many of the potential guns in the draft.

I know Wells is good - but if he gets a player in this year's draft he is a genuine Nostradamus under all circumstances (and the other clubs have not got a good crystal ball).

 

[CF]

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I think everyone is on the same page by looking at this thread.

Ablett (gone), Milburn (ret) seems definite.

Senior Players getting very close to retirement: Scarlett, Ottens, Mooney,

Senior Players who could retire in the next 1-4 seasons: Chapman, Enright, Corey, J Hunt, Ling, Pods, Johnson, Wojcinski, Rooke

Listed players who could get delisted/traded: Djerrkura, Gamble, West, Gillies,

This years draft is going to very very difficult as GC have already taken a lot of the best players as 17 year olds and then they get the pick of what is left. I agree with Belasrius, Wells is going to have to pull a rabbit out of the hat this year.

 

[JUBJUB]

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I think everyone is on the same page by looking at this thread.

Ablett (gone), Milburn (ret) seems definite.

Senior Players getting very close to retirement: Scarlett, Ottens, Mooney,

Senior Players who could retire in the next 1-4 seasons: Chapman, Enright, Corey, J Hunt, Ling, Pods, Johnson, Wojcinski, Rooke

Listed players who could get delisted/traded: Djerrkura, Gamble, West, Gillies,

Let's just take it one season at a time

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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I think everyone is on the same page by looking at this thread.

Ablett (gone), Milburn (ret) seems definite.

Senior Players getting very close to retirement: Scarlett, Ottens, Mooney,

Senior Players who could retire in the next 1-4 seasons: Chapman, Enright, Corey, J Hunt, Ling, Pods, Johnson, Wojcinski, Rooke

Listed players who could get delisted/traded: Djerrkura, Gamble, West, Gillies,

This years draft is going to very very difficult as GC have already taken a lot of the best players as 17 year olds and then they get the pick of what is left. I agree with Belasrius, Wells is going to have to pull a rabbit out of the hat this year.

I agree with everything you say, except Gillies. No way he's going. We need one more tall back on our list, not one less!

Yes it will be a difficult draft. But if we can get a decent kid ala Christensen in the ND, and maybe another decent one in from our VFL program, we will be okay so long as some of the promosing youngsters come on.

 

[Belisarius]

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I just think we should concentrate on the next 2-3 years. I know it may cost us down the track - but you do not often get chances to win Premierships.

Worth having a serious look around if Ablett goes to see who we can get that may add something to our structure. Obviously Hawthorn thought the Borgoyne was worth the money.

I also think that we will get a player or two from Gillies, Drum, Duncan, Menzel and Brown. That seems a reasonable hope to have.

And we still might get a player in this years draft with Wells doing his thing.

But I am not all opposed to looking around if Ablett goes. However I suspect quite a few players salaries have gone up a bit since the advent of the GC and GWS. So there maybe few players to look at.

If you add 1 or 2 good to very good footballers in the Geelong mold - and we do not lose too many - we could be a force for the next few seasons.

While were up lets go for it !

 

[CF]

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I agree with everything you say, except Gillies. No way he's going. We need one more tall back on our list, not one less!

My only question with Gillies is why after a promising debut in 2009 has he not played a senior game in 2010? He doesn't seem to have been injured so one has to wonder where he is at.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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My only question with Gillies is why after a promising debut in 2009 has he not played a senior game in 2010? He doesn't seem to have been injured so one has to wonder where he is at.

He was never really going to play much senior footy this year unless one of the talls was injured. Anyway, yes he has stagnated a bit and I'd like to see him show more, but there's no way he's going to be shipped out at this stage with Milburn and Scarlett near retirement, that was the point I was making, so you can take him off that list, at least for another 12 months.

 

[vinum coupe]

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Gillies is a tall who has pace and the courage to use it by gambling with run when he has the ball.
He is going to be a key player going forward.

Reminds me of David king actually.

 

[Claude Balls]

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Does everyone know something I don't with regard to Corey? Is his knee injury a long term, degenerative sort of thing? If it's not I'd back him to play another 3 years minimum, such is his professionalism.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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Gillies is a tall who has pace and the courage to use it by gambling with run when he has the ball.
He is going to be a key player going forward.

Reminds me of David king actually.

From what I've seen in the VFL, that's what he's still trying to develop. He's very good as a stopper and often does it against bigger and stronger and older blokes, but he's still only just developing the confidence etc to get involved offensively. Once he can do that I think he will become quite a good AFL player.

 

[The rabbi]

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I also think that we will get a player or two from Gillies, Drum, Duncan, Menzel and Brown. That seems a reasonable hope to have.

I think that Duncan, Menzel and Brown (When he gets over his bad run of injuries) are dead certs to be senior players in the not too distant future.

 

[Turbocat]

Re: List changes for 2011

I think that Duncan, Menzel and Brown (When he gets over his bad run of injuries) are dead certs to be senior players in the not too distant future.

I really think Duncan and Menzel may be our best two since 01 ( amazing as they were after a GF) considering Duncan was a 20 something player there would be a good chance of Well picking up another kid in that range this year like Pitt or Smedtts that falls thru to us. He seem to be a master of picking the kid that has just fallen of the radar , one who's luster has lost a little of its gleam but is quality all the same.

I'd still like to get Menzel in for a game or two in the next couple of weeks , surely someone will have a bad case of general soreness. Then both he and Duncan can charge at the Preseason with the full knowledge of what they have to do to take the next step , with confidence that the can make the side if they work hard enough.

 

[Jef Costello]

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Not sure he could hold on anyway (2 years +) but anyone think Djerkurra could be moulded as a tagger post Lingy? Has a certain hardness about him?

 

[BONG RIPS MKII]

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christensen will be the best of our picks i guarantee it

he will be an absolute star

 

[Pure_Ownage]

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Not sure he could hold on anyway (2 years +) but anyone think Djerkurra could be moulded as a tagger post Lingy? Has a certain hardness about him?

I've said this before, it makes sense given his best assets are his inside work, plus the fact that he chases hard and has a massive tank, whereas his deficiency is pinpoint kicking on the outside.

But yeah, I doubt he'll hold on long enough for that.