Training Preseason 2024

[vidwhal]

Full Intraclub Match #2 - 16-02-2024


Enjoy.


Or Cry.


Whatevas driving those emotions.

 

[freo_leo29]

Thats why he was also one of the best junior runners over 100 metres in the state junior athletics is it? His speed over 20 metres is only an issue after going on long runs and when he exerts too much energy running to the wrong spots.

100 metres is almost useless in AFL mate

He's slow off the bounce, regularly trails his opponent

 

[freo_leo29]

Website confirms intraclub is 9am on friday, damn

Probably coz it's the one cool day this week

 

[Polo342]

29 degrees on friday!! Great for the boys!

 

[Docker82]

Website confirms intraclub is 9am on friday, damn

Probably coz it's the one cool day this week

Could be one last look at the SPP hopefuls as well. It gives the club a final 2-3 days to think about it too - Whilst the deadline is Monday next week it seems weird they’d come to training Monday and then not be under consideration by Tuesday.

 

[gaskin]

Could be one last look at the SPP hopefuls as well.

I read that as Sam Powell-Pepper and was going to ask who wants that flog.

 

[Superkoops]

It’s fair to comment that Erasmus doesn’t have that initial burst speed. Think of Stephen Hill

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Stephen Hill

Age

33

Ht

183cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.9

4star

MG

223.5

3star

D

13.5

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

0.8

1star

MG

223.5

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

out of the gates fast but then gets caught by the pack. Erasmus I wouldn't say is slow but he doesn’t have that initial burst speed to get away and create some distance. Over a longer distance say 50-100metres he has good speed.

I remember one GF sprint where Stephen Hill

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Stephen Hill

Age

33

Ht

183cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.9

4star

MG

223.5

3star

D

13.5

3star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.8

4star

T

0.8

1star

MG

223.5

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

led the field easily at around 20-30metres but was caught by most and finished middle of the pack by the 100. Erasmus would be part of that pack that catches him at the 100.

That initial burst speed is what made SHill one of my favourites. He would burst away create separation then take a bounce or two and deliver i50.

Erasmus has elite endurance and solid speed over the distance. It is different but I wouldn’t call him slow. Brodie actually has decent athletic traits and one of those is ability to get some initial separation. Has a good leap as well. His endurance is rubbish though. So it doesn’t surprise me that he burnt off Erasmus from a pack. But line them up let them run 100 and Erasmus would leave him well behind.

 

[Dockernut]

No way, are you really still pushing that BS? Let it go Freo Leo. Erasmus is not slow.

I mean, even if he is slower than your average mid, he’s an inside mid through and through, so any coach that’s training him or playing him on a wing (for example) is getting it horribly wrong. Priddis won a Brownlow (albeit via a massive Bradbury) being a slow in and under mid.

 

[CapitalA]

Watching him play footy for the last 3 years

Watching Brodie burn him off in match Sims

Watching him be burnt off in AFL games


He's slow

So it's an opinion not a fact?

 

[freo_leo29]

So it's an opinion not a fact?

You can find the footage and see its fact

The very start of the 3rd Q at the top of the page is one piece of hard evidence for ya

 

[freo_leo29]

I mean, even if he is slower than your average mid, he’s an inside mid through and through, so any coach that’s training him or playing him on a wing (for example) is getting it horribly wrong. Priddis won a Brownlow (albeit via a massive Bradbury) being a slow in and under mid.

I agree, which is why he is wasted as the sub (my original post that people got antsy about)


It would be like playing Mick Barlow as the sub (a comparably slow player), complete waste of his talents...

 

[FreoMatt]

Ive only been down to training twice so if anyone's seen any different please post but both time i was there it was Erasmus leading the pace in repeat sprinting with a midfield group. Early on in he sprints Johnson was the fastest.

This will seem strange but i think both sides of this argument are right. I think Erasmus is actually pretty quick, but he plays “slow”. That is he cruises around and doesn’t drive his legs to get away from stoppages. It’s a common issue with players who dominate at lower levels (which Eramus has as a junior and even at WAFL level) but they try and play at the same pace when they go up a level. Changing the “pace” of how you play is nit easy and is why some players dominate at the lower level but can never transfer it to the higher level


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[Sherriff Incorporated]

You can find the footage and see its fact

The very start of the 3rd Q at the top of the page is one piece of hard evidence for ya

You realise how absurd it is to point out one bit of play as hard evidence when in fact you've proven the point that he can look slow in passages when he's exhausted after a long run or when he runs to the wrong places. Erasmus only took up football full time when he was 16 and his final year of junior football was greatly hindered by Covid. He's still learning positioning compared to other players but he's also still one of the better sprinters over 100 metres at the club and he excels in repeat sprints.

 

[bellie4pm]

U all discussing whether erasmus is slow or not reminds me so strongly of the recruiting team’s discussions in moneyball - “sounds so good off the bat when he hits it” “he’s got a bew-di-ful swing” etc

 

[vidwhal]

U all discussing whether erasmus is slow or not reminds me so strongly of the recruiting team’s discussions in moneyball - “sounds so good off the bat when he hits it” “he’s got a bew-di-ful swing” etc

And he looks good too! ;p

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Based off the Intraclub match, we haven't looked to change game style at all. I was just watching the Collingwood Intra highlights and their skill level looks miles ahead of Freo.

 

[freo_leo29]

You realise how absurd it is to point out one bit of play as hard evidence when in fact you've proven the point that he can look slow in passages when he's exhausted after a long run or when he runs to the wrong places. Erasmus only took up football full time when he was 16 and his final year of junior football was greatly hindered by Covid. He's still learning positioning compared to other players but he's also still one of the better sprinters over 100 metres at the club and he excels in repeat sprints.

That footage was directly after the half time break, like 59 mins into the video


I've already addressed the 100 metre thing in another post


This is going round in circles now though, he's slow, he shouldn't be a specialist sub, that doesn't mean he can't be useful, there have been many good slow players as others have pointed out.

 

[maccamk]

That footage was directly after the half time break, like 59 mins into the video


I've already addressed the 100 metre thing in another post


This is going round in circles now though, he's slow, he shouldn't be a specialist sub, that doesn't mean he can't be useful, there have been many good slow players as others have pointed out.

He isn’t slow by foot. He is slow to make decisions. That type of speed comes from intuition or experience. When he knows where to go and starts playing on instinct his pace and endurance becomes an asset.


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[Sherriff Incorporated]

That footage was directly after the half time break, like 59 mins into the video


I've already addressed the 100 metre thing in another post


This is going round in circles now though, he's slow, he shouldn't be a specialist sub, that doesn't mean he can't be useful, there have been many good slow players as others have pointed out.

To be fair you're talking absolute rubbish so I'll drop the conversation for everyone's benefit.. Yep after going on long runs he can occasionally look slow in isolated play so the fact the one incident you are quoting is 59 minutes in means nothing. You should go and watch him train. The idea he is slow is completely absurd if you watch him in repeat sprint drills.

 

[freo_leo29]

North streamed their intra club today, think the pies did too

Would be nice if the club did that for us on Friday

 

[freo1997]

Man if our form is looking as sloppy as posters have said..old mate Jlo will be gone by mid year.

 

[Minz]

Interesting discussion about football sports. I think it’s about understanding what the sports are.

NFL is a power impact sport. Short burst of high power, long rests. If those guys are on for 6 minutes game time in a row, they’re stuffed. They are supreme athletes for that and would be rubbish at Aussie Rules. Ice hockey is similarly high power low reps.

Aussie rules is an endurance contact sport- much less impact but run a half-marathon while you’re at it. Different physical skills required.

Basketball is an explosive athletic sport. Different body type again. Lebron James could’ve been an amazing Aussie rules player if he started young, but not with his mature basketball player body. Not enough endurance, not enough resistance to contact. Those guys are amazing athletes, but it’s a different demand.

 

[Dockernut]

Based off the Intraclub match, we haven't looked to change game style at all. I was just watching the Collingwood Intra highlights and their skill level looks miles ahead of Freo.

Agreed. It certainly appears as though we haven’t changed much in terms of our style of play.

One thing that jumped out at me from Vidwhal’s vid was the amount of missed kicks and turnovers. These guys train relentlessly and are at the top echelon of their sport, commanding (in some instances) the top pay. Yet we regularly have guys kicking it out of bounds, missing targets by foot, not making the distance etc. I know these guys aren’t soccer players (yes, I recently watch that Beckham doco and I hate myself for it), but realistically they should be honing their skills (especially kicking) every second of every day.

 

[Stinky Lomax]

Based off the Intraclub match, we haven't looked to change game style at all. I was just watching the Collingwood Intra highlights and their skill level looks miles ahead of Freo.

Are you talking about the Golfields Cup highlight’s?

If Collingwood defend like that in the season proper they won’t win a game.

 

[G Mus]

It’s fair to comment that Erasmus doesn’t have that initial burst speed. Think of Stephen Hill out of the gates fast but then gets caught by the pack. Erasmus I wouldn't say is slow but he doesn’t have that initial burst speed to get away and create some distance. Over a longer distance say 50-100metres he has good speed.

I remember one GF sprint where Stephen Hill led the field easily at around 20-30metres but was caught by most and finished middle of the pack by the 100. Erasmus would be part of that pack that catches him at the 100.

That initial burst speed is what made SHill one of my favourites. He would burst away create separation then take a bounce or two and deliver i50.

Erasmus has elite endurance and solid speed over the distance. It is different but I wouldn’t call him slow. Brodie actually has decent athletic traits and one of those is ability to get some initial separation. Has a good leap as well. His endurance is rubbish though. So it doesn’t surprise me that he burnt off Erasmus from a pack. But line them up let them run 100 and Erasmus would leave him well behind.

Luckily early explosive pace is easier trained than top end speed

 

[Superkoops]

This will seem strange but i think both sides of this argument are right. I think Erasmus is actually pretty quick, but he plays “slow”. That is he cruises around and doesn’t drive his legs to get away from stoppages. It’s a common issue with players who dominate at lower levels (which Eramus has as a junior and even at WAFL level) but they try and play at the same pace when they go up a level. Changing the “pace” of how you play is nit easy and is why some players dominate at the lower level but can never transfer it to the higher level


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Fair call. He is still finding the pace of AFL for sure. This pre-season he has improved further with a focus on first option. Be it firing out a handball or getting ball to foot quickly and instinctively.

Whereas past two years he seemed to pause too long with ball get caught or put under pressure.

He was tagged at WAFL tightly so much so that he has had to learn to get the ball out quickly. Once he adapts to the pace he will be a good inside player.

I agree with the notion that he isn’t a great sub option. Wasting his endurance. Seems from most of the match sims he comes into his own into the final third of the game as others become tired.