Priority Picks fair?

[Hit And Rum]

Originally posted by Deej
I have another theory about the draft/cap system, i think it will produce superteams that go on dynasties. The cycle isn't necessarily one flag each 16 years, it is more like 4 flags each 64 years, and I think it will literally take Brisbane decades to get another team together like the one they have now due to the laws of probability (1 in 100-odd players are superstars). Essendon should've won 1999 and probably 2001 were it not for bad luck, the sort of luck that has run Brissy's way from 2001-2003. StKilda will win multiple flags if they can tweak their list in the right way. I think every 3 or 4 years we'll be seeing a club go through a season like Essendon did in 2000 and Carlton did in 1995. Saints might even do it this year. Media will be ridiculously spruiking best-team-ever every second GF edition paper.

Interesting.

 

[Deej]

Originally posted by JeffDunne
The Lions have made a choice to keep players and not trade for early picks. Not a difficult choice when you are going for four on the trot I know.

But when they have traded, they've done well. The hallmark of a good team. If they don't win this year, I'm sure they'll tade into the higher part of the draft. They might not have a lot of youth, but they have some quality. There is no reason they have to drop off in a big way if they manage their list properly.

Bookmark this thread and talk to me in 5 years when Brisbane win a wooden spoon and the saints are lining up for 3 straight and probably another 3 to come.

That's if you guys don't self destruct of course!

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Hit And Rum
Interesting.

not really

when you consider Brisbane has something like 12 players acquired outside of the draft system (zone selections, Fitzroy players and on trading of both lots), basically the Brisbane dynasty was built outside of the draft.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Originally posted by JeffDunne
The Lions have made a choice to keep players and not trade for early picks. Not a difficult choice when you are going for four on the trot I know.

But when they have traded, they've done well. The hallmark of a good team. If they don't win this year, I'm sure they'll tade into the higher part of the draft. They might not have a lot of youth, but they have some quality. There is no reason they have to drop off in a big way if they manage their list properly.

The lions will drop off, of this you can be sure off. Have a look at their players in the 18-21 year old bracket and tell me who has played 30 games and therefore will have played 50-80 games within the next two years to allow the change of baton? Also how many of these will have played together?

The most difficult task is not only keep winning with the current group but ensure you progress the next generation as such a rate that the take over is seamless.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by nutbeennn
Since 1998
Stkilda - final series nil premierships nil
Melbourne - final series 3 premierships nil
Fremantle - final series 1 premierships nil

great argument.....

6 years agos at the longest would make most of those players 24 and only just reaching there peak.
This arguement isnt valid yet, lets wait till those priority picks play out their career before we can comment on the impact they have.

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by Deej
Bookmark this thread and talk to me in 5 years when Brisbane win a wooden spoon and the saints are lining up for 3 straight and probably another 3 to come.

What are you on????

That's if you guys don't self destruct of course!

Self destruct pfft. We aren't the cheating rabble from Carlton.

Waiting.......

 

[SurreyBlue]

Originally posted by Joffaboy

Originally posted by Deej
Bookmark this thread and talk to me in 5 years when Brisbane win a wooden spoon and the saints are lining up for 3 straight and probably another 3 to come.

What are you on????

That's if you guys don't self destruct of course!

Self destruct pfft. We aren't the cheating rabble from Carlton.

Waiting.......

This thread has deteriorated again. You really do add some wonderful insight knowledge.

 

[DirtyDogTiger]

Originally posted by MarkT
Regardless of who does and doesn’t qualify, it is a ridiculous system.

Drop the priority pick.

Actually I believe the premier should get the No.1 pick.

Last gets 16th.

Reward success.

 

[feher]

Originally posted by DirtyDogTiger
Drop the priority pick.

Actually I believe the premier should get the No.1 pick.

Last gets 16th.

Reward success.

you can't be serious

 

[Blue Boyz]

Originally posted by 1jasonoz
1/ Out of the players you first mentioned, Blight, Cable, Burns, Graham Melrose, Richard Mikelceck (spelling??), Ray Huppartz, Russel Ebert and Graham Cornes; the last 2 didn't join until after our final G/F apperance in the 70's. Cable had played with us twice, the Roos trying in the late 60's to get him, and he played for us then went home, and returned later. John Burns(spoke to him 7 weeks ago), Blight etc, all came to North not because of large sums of money that was put in front of them, but because they where lured by the prospect of playing under legendary coach in R Barrasi.

2/ Croswell also goes into the list of players who crossed over not for money, but as in his words, 'something special was going on at North' and any player worth anything wanted to be apart of it. He came over as per Blight and Burns. Dempsey also didn't join us until the early 80's(82) aswell. He knew that he wouldn't win a premiership at the Doggies, so crossed over to North in the hope of getting one.

A few more interstate players that I forgot about that can also added to the already huge list that North assiduously recruited in the 70's were the ex WA champion Ross Glendining, Daryl Sutton, Steve McCann and Terry Moore as well attracting Stan Alves and Billy Nettlefold via Melbourne and Richmond respectively.

In regard to John Burns's recent comments, perhaps now some 25 to 30 years after the event it makes some of these former players respectively "feel good and comfortable" about themselves if they justify why they went to North for other reasons other than the huge money that was on offer at the time.

However there are some players who are more honest about their real reasons for joining North than others. Four years ago I went to AFL Grand Final/Sportsman's afternoon in the Philippines where Doug Wade was a guest speaker. He was asked by member of the auidence as to why he went to North at the end of the '72 season. He remarked that several clubs along North were interested in recruiting him as felt he had run his race at Geelong, but he hadn't made up his mind as to who would to play with in '73. That was until one evening when Ron Joseph and Barry Cheatley turned up at his door brandishing a brown overnight bag.

He said that he was mind was made very quickly for him when Joseph tipped $10,000 in cash on the table as a signing on fee. Wade candidily remarked that he had never seen so much cash in his life in one place and at one time and he couldn't sign on the dotted line quick enough!!!! Maybe he was like all the other players and he wanted to play under Ronald Dale but the cash certainly didn't act as any disincentive for him or most of the others I suspect.


Actually I know what I written in the last couple of posts sounds like that I am critical of North but as I saw them play all their Grand Finals from '74 right through to '78 and as Blues' supporter I developed a bit of soft spot for them as they played Carlton's arch enemies of Richmond, Hawthorn and C'wood in all those games and I was certainly barracking for them.

In many ways I admired North's efforts of making themselves into one of the VFL powers of the 70's after being down near the bottom for most of the 50's, 60's and early 70's.


As Carlton supporter I continually sick of reading on the Big Footy site of how ALL of the modern day Carlton flags dating back from the late '60s and early '70's are some how devalued and were bought with money and all other teams' premierships and successes are totally and unreservedly due to insightful and deft recruiting, astute player management and administrating!!!!!

I am the first to admit that Carlton hasn't made the transition to modern day football as well as what we might have and unfortunately we will carry that cross for many years to come thanks to the draft penalities.

All I am trying to do is to point out to some of the Big Footy posters that it is very easy to think well of your own team and poorly of another, while denying the obvious truth about some of one own clubs' successes.

 

[bionicsasquach]

*Bump*
I just thought i'd bring this back up, as i am absoluteley shattered that teh best thing for my side(Richmond) and many others, is to lose the remaining rounds. It is peuthetic and not what football should be.

Why could the AFL not adopt the lottery style, which would see each of the bottom 8 sides recieve draft picks at random, and each of the top 8 sides recieve pick in the order that they are knocked out of the finals. Giving an incentive to win either way.
Also i understand the need for priority picks but this system must be over hauled altogether, because by the time the priority players have matured the team has usually recieved yet another 3 high draft picks for languishing down the bottom.

It's just crap
What do we think?

 

[Coach Required]

there shouldnt be a priority draft pick.

it rewards failure

1st round of the draft should be a lottery

2nd round should be the reverse of the first round picks


eg. If you get pick 16 then you get pick 17 to start off the second round.