Pros and Cons of Round 2

[swiftdog]

Some obvious pro's which have been mentioned plenty in this thread. We played a completely rubbish team, I'm still not convinced we played that well. Our disposal was shocking under pressure, the question is did we improve or did Melbourne stop applying the pressure?

I'll take the 4 points either way.

 

[Snag Breac]

Some obvious pro's which have been mentioned plenty in this thread. We played a completely rubbish team, I'm still not convinced we played that well. Our disposal was shocking under pressure, the question is did we improve or did Melbourne stop applying the pressure?

I'll take the 4 points either way.

I've worked this out. We played at about 60% effort/effectiveness, on aggregate; so no, not the best.

Maybe we're just warming up slowly this year. But yes, let's celebrate the win and the positive signs from Beams, Dick and our stars who are getting back into it.

 

[bothfeetshanker]

Pros for me:

• the 4 points - was a little worried for the first 1/4
• JA - think i am starting to get a real man-crush on this young bloke
• Beams debut - can't ask too much more in a first game. this bloke has all the attributes, so I hope he becomes all he can be (in the B&W!).
• Swanny - glad I made him my DT Vice Skipper
• pressure after 1/2 time - getting back to what i have loved to watch over the past couple of years
• Dids, Tarks, Leon - love watching thses blokes when they play like they did today...makes me think I could still do it

Cons:

• reports of d!ckheads bashing a Melbourne players Dad after the game - p!ss off from our great club if you want to be a moron. It is a game for Jebus' sake, I really hope these tools get everything they deserve and more
• Trav not tearing the game a new one until we had it in the bag...but still hope he uses it as a massive launching pad for the game next week and the year
• our start - said on earlier posts but we were lucky it wasn't against a top side (no disrespect meant to the Dees who "came to play"...we allowed to say that??)
• Daisy not playing - just love watching him
• Johnson having a reasonable game - means he is more then likely to stay in (still had some massive brain farts though)

 

[Optimax]

Cons
missed game due to work
had to listen to Blight and Lane
Slow start
presti didnt take the screamer
Heaths report
umpires still shit
brown had a bath down back

pros
Watched game with no emotion so i could see everything that occured
Couldnt possibly here more senile or biased commentators then Blight and lane
Won after slow start
Presti actually got near a screamer
Heaths report got the ever biased lane and blight defending him
We wone with 7 less frees
Brown looked ok up forward
We won with no rocca
Didak and davis back to their best
medhurst warming to the task

 

[Smoky]

Could you elaborate on the quoted statement? 25 disposal (13 contested, 84% effectiveness), 26 hit outs, 8 clearances, 6 inside 50's and a goal; how do you not judge that as great?

Josh played very well today... but i really cant wait to see him get 26 hit outs that clearly go to the mids advantage. IMO alot of his "hit outs" go to our mids feet or to a one on one contest - not to "advantage". Around the ground he was a very strong member of the team. Should get votes for his performance today, but would really love to see some set ruck plays come off consistantly.

 

[davidking_legend]

Maybe we should pull Dick out and stick him somewhere else.

there is only a certain amount of whole's dick can fill

 

[DoubleO7]

Con:

-Pendlebury is averaging 62.50% game time while the likes of Gibbs and Murphy get 80+ GT% for Carlton; Foley and Deledio for Richmond get 85+ GT%; Selwood 75+ GT%, Bartel, Ablett and Corey get 85+ GT% for Geelong; For Collingwood, the likes of O'Bree, Swan, Didak, Davis, Thomas and Lockyer all get more game time than Pendlebury as well. Even Beams got more GT% this match.

Why is it that Pendlebury gets such a low amount of GT% compared with other midfielders/players? I believe if Pendlebury is given more GT% he could consistently win 30+ possessions and influence matches greatly for us.

 

[Old Spice]

Why we bring L.Brown in to play on the wings and flanks is beyond me, he was hopeless and we have far better players who can play these positions.

Johnson was terrible, 25 disposals and the large majority of them worthless, struggled to hit targets all day by boot, turned it over and kicks floaters to the advantage of the opposition, no doubt MM will keep him in again next week.

No. Leigh Brown was shit, but Johnson I thought as very good - credit where it's due Ickirus. I don't know what the stats say but I thought Johnson was useful. Cox had two brain farts, but overall he was fantastic, as was Johnson. Too much history on this site sometimes which blinds pepole to a good performance.

I've said in other posts that Cox was suspect, but he really has grown on me and deserves accolades for todays performance. Really, the only crap player was Brown.

Dick, I forgot was playing until the second half, but I can see what Mick was talking about in terms of his natural ability. I'd certainly like to see hm again in round 3.

Beams, ahhh, what a dreamboat. Effective, tough and modest - the triple threat. Have to give Dayne a bit of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4

Not new from me but valid and will ever be for Old Spice.

 

[Quicky]

Con:

-Pendlebury is averaging 62.50% game time while the likes of Gibbs and Murphy get 80+ GT% for Carlton; Foley and Deledio for Richmond get 85+ GT%; Selwood 75+ GT%, Bartel, Ablett and Corey get 85+ GT% for Geelong; For Collingwood, the likes of O'Bree, Swan, Didak, Davis, Thomas and Lockyer all get more game time than Pendlebury as well. Even Beams got more GT% this match.

Why is it that Pendlebury gets such a low amount of GT% compared with other midfielders/players? I believe if Pendlebury is given more GT% he could consistently win 30+ possessions and influence matches greatly for us.

I'm not sure what his TOG was like last year but he copped a knock last week which was supposed to have affected his playing time. He carried the knock into this week which is probably why he played so little in this game and probably why he played most of the game in the forward line in the pocket or HFF.

 

[Optimax]

Con:

-Pendlebury is averaging 62.50% game time while the likes of Gibbs and Murphy get 80+ GT% for Carlton; Foley and Deledio for Richmond get 85+ GT%; Selwood 75+ GT%, Bartel, Ablett and Corey get 85+ GT% for Geelong; For Collingwood, the likes of O'Bree, Swan, Didak, Davis, Thomas and Lockyer all get more game time than Pendlebury as well. Even Beams got more GT% this match.

Why is it that Pendlebury gets such a low amount of GT% compared with other midfielders/players? I believe if Pendlebury is given more GT% he could consistently win 30+ possessions and influence matches greatly for us.

mate he averages 60%ish but he has gotten 29 and 26 disposals and he was unfit/sore coming into this week.

On top of the fact we have more PLAYER driven ROTATIONS then any other side im not worried, all of our main mids had high 20 disposals all probably played between 60 to 80% game time. Im fine with that no use driven your best and most talented players into the ground in round 2

 

[DoubleO7]

They all had 80+ GT% bar Shane O'Bree who had 71+ GT%. It was similar last season aswell with Pendlebury getting limited game time.

If one of your midfielders had a superior fitness base and superior set of skills would you keep him on ground longer than your other options?

 

[Optimax]

They all had 80+ GT% bar Shane O'Bree who had 71+ GT%. It was similar last season aswell with Pendlebury getting limited game time.

If one of your midfielders had a superior fitness base and superior set of skills would you keep him on ground longer than your other options?

player driven rotations, and pendlebury plays burst player very very well.

Scott looked ****ed late last week and was sore/ill this week and still had 26 touches.

Not every single midfielder can play 80% game time and be dominant, he may only get 2 or 3 more tocuhes over a game in 80% but his increase of injury or more clangers/errors driven by fatigue may increase

 

[mdc]

player driven rotations, and pendlebury plays burst player very very well.

I would have thought Swan, Medhurst, Thomas...those types of guys you'd describe as burst players. I.e. players who need their explosiveness to succeed.

His fitness base should be decent, given he came top 5ish in the pre-season stuff? I'm going to say he's just a bit sore, and will get back to what he was playing last year soon enough (which I believe was 70%+).

Very, very promising signs though, has killed it both weeks. And if we ever decide to straighten up, his value will sky-rocket...he's remarkably gifted at getting the right man the ball.

 

[Pie eyed]

No. Leigh Brown was shit, but Johnson I thought as very good - credit where it's due Ickirus. I don't know what the stats say but I thought Johnson was useful. Cox had two brain farts, but overall he was fantastic, as was Johnson. Too much history on this site sometimes which blinds pepole to a good performance.

I've said in other posts that Cox was suspect, but he really has grown on me and deserves accolades for todays performance. Really, the only crap player was Brown.

Dick, I forgot was playing until the second half, but I can see what Mick was talking about in terms of his natural ability. I'd certainly like to see hm again in round 3.

Beams, ahhh, what a dreamboat. Effective, tough and modest - the triple threat. Have to give Dayne a bit of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4

Not new from me but valid and will ever be for Old Spice.

Hahahahahah PMSL....
Spicey...how do you find this stuff...lol and rofl

 

[Optimax]

I would have thought Swan, Medhurst, Thomas...those types of guys you'd describe as burst players. I.e. players who need their explosiveness to succeed.

His fitness base should be decent, given he came top 5ish in the pre-season stuff? I'm going to say he's just a bit sore, and will get back to what he was playing last year soon enough (which I believe was 70%+).

Very, very promising signs though, has killed it both weeks. And if we ever decide to straighten up, his value will sky-rocket...he's remarkably gifted at getting the right man the ball.

very much so

but as i stated our rotations are almost entirely player driven there is no way MM or any coach for that matter can be calling 100 plus rotations a game and still be able to know what is happening.

Im just happy Pendlebury is having an influence in games even when he isnt 100% and plays only 2/3 of the game

 

[Visions]

Pros

• Our important players like Didak, Davis had good games.
• Beams debut, this kid will be a very good player.
• Fraser's performance. If he didn't dominate today, then there would have been major questions asked.
• Despite not playing well the first 40 minutes, winning the game.
• Anthony taking another step to becoming a premier forward.

Cons

• Not playing well the first 40 minutes.
• L. Brown
• Clokes first three quarters.
• Allowed Melbourne much like Adelaide last week to run through the corridor too easily.

Indifferent

• Ben Johnson. Started off poorly, came good but I'm still have reservations about him. Think he is a liability.

 

[Old Spice]

Hahahahahah PMSL....
Spicey...how do you find this stuff...lol and rofl

Debauched friends and too much time on my hands.

 

[Pie Legend]

Pros
-Fraser. Was the dominant player on the ground for me.
-Didak, Leon and Shaw looked very good in the 2nd half.
-Jack Anthony. What a man, what a game.
- Medhurst; didnt get a lot of the ball, but when he got it he uses it very well.
-Beams. Very solid debut.
-Most importantly, the 4 points!

Cons
-Umpires. Not good today as per normal
-#15, L.Brown. Why is this hack playing.
-Lack of pressure for the first 1/2
-Pendles only 60% GT

 

[hotpie]

Pros:
The four points and a bit of percentage, as per the script considering the opposition.
Josh Fraser.
No injuries and Pendlebury getting through ok.
Nathan Brown doing ok in the forward line after getting smashed early in defence.
Brad Dick showing plenty in the second half not doing much early
Dane Beams. Gun.
Rocca got through another game
Jack Anthony.

Cons:
Not many at all.
L Brown didnt do much but as a depth player he'll go back to the VFL to make way for a genuine ruckman.
Johnson was better this week but has to make way for Thomas next week - I dont want to see Dick dropped, and Beams is a keeper.
Medhurst got through just his second game of the year.

 

[Ickirus]

No. Leigh Brown was shit, but Johnson I thought as very good - credit where it's due Ickirus. I don't know what the stats say but I thought Johnson was useful. Cox had two brain farts, but overall he was fantastic, as was Johnson. Too much history on this site sometimes which blinds pepole to a good performance.

Johnson was one of my favourite players back in 02/03 with his drive out of defence, and credit is due for those who earn it, I'm not Lockyer's greatest fan but he played well yesterday for example.

Maybe I value disposal more than others, but Johnson was far from very good, I stand by my comment that the large majority of his 25 disposals were useless. Just for some examples, his first kick, he is under no real pressure and kicks to a 2 on 1, opposition marks and turnover is created. When he tried to drill a pass to one of our guys on lead that fell short and it came back to him a few seconds later he grubbed it along the ground. Useless stats. He consistently put it to the advantage of our opposition when bombing it into the forward 50 which created turnovers, bar his pass to Anthony which I will give him credit for.

Johnson was causing turnover after turnover in the first half because of his decision making and poor kicking, no doubt the stats won't show this. Stats are largely useless, for example Toovey twice was running towards the forward 50 with no real pressure and screwed it up twice, but those kicks aren't cosidered clangers in the stats as Toovey had 0 clangers according to the stats. It's about the quality of disposals not the quantity of disposals, people need to look past the stats and watch the game. Davis while only gathering 23 disposals played a massively better game than Johnson because of the quality of his disposals, run and carry means nothing if you turn it over.

 

[CENTERMAN]

Meh, I think people are going overboard about Fraser's performance. He was good, not great.

Pros:
- Our better players played well for the second week in a row, with Didak and Davis joining them today.
- Fraser played well.
- Cox in the best for the second game in a row. My call of him finishing top 10 in the Copeland looks a chance.
- Ben Johnson was passable. I still wouldn't play him because he's a skirter who can't kick, but he wasn't terrible today.
- Harry and Maxwell's second half.
- Beams looked exactly like most of us expected. You know, better than Ben Johnson.
- Anthony continues to make a mockery of calls to put him down back.

Cons:
- Nathan Brown was shocking yet again (as a defender). I've been calling for him to have a spell in the twos for a while, and I'll persist with those calls. Him and Presti together doesn't work unless the opposition has a top-heavy forward line.
- Cloke was woeful in the first half. He needs to learn to create a contest when the ball isn't perfectly to his advantage. And his field kicking is ever-deteriorating.
- Our defensive structure is pissweak. We leave the corridor between the 50m arcs wide open, all the time. It's mental, and will ensure we won't finish top 4 this year.
- Leigh Brown did an excellent Chris Bryan imitation.

Brilliantly summed up. Every word right from the opening sentence. Maybe not the Cloke bit. But he had an ordinary day i agree.

 

[Dave The Man]

I thought our Goal Kicking in the Last was not crash hot

 

[MightyQuinn]

Hahahahahah PMSL....
Spicey...how do you find this stuff...lol and rofl

haha bizarre coincidence i saw this clip on rage last night at 3am (they played about 5 spoof clips in a row)...bit of a coincidence!!

but what a pisser!!!!

 

[loki04]

Pros :

Beams great debut.
We won.
Leon and Dids back in form.
Fraser playing like he should.

Cons :

Captain was missing for 3 and a half quarters.
Toovey, Johnson and Maxwell fumbling there way thgrough the 1st and turning it over.
Slow starts.
Crap game plan.
Melbourne lost largely to fatigue allowing us to get back in the game and storm home, a better side wouldn't of let us back in.

 

[rose jam]

Cloke did something really well in 2007, he started kicking the ball short when he was taking the grabs 70-80m out. He's forgotten how to do that, and the coaching staff should be running drills just for him to get that habit back. He needs to mix up the long and short kicks coming in.

The thing about Fraser is his movement and link run is coming back. If he avoids leg injuries this year he'll go crazy and we'll be in better shape for it. That's something he does better than any ruckman playing is find that wing ball to relieve the defense when they come out. Dean Cox usually gets his around the defensive 50m arc, but Josh gets them wing area.

Toovey and Dick have no right to be in the senior side at the moment.