QAFL 2021

[smy1305]

they’re more interesting then

It’s the choice of the player.

100% it is but if its not in the best interests of the player's progress (ie 3 hrs travelling vs kicking a footy) why try to coerce someone down?

 

[Miller1971]

Aspley start Monday - fingers crossed for a Matt Payne sighting

I see they lured J.Allen back from Sherwood, which probably means B.Allen as well.

Magpies not great at retaining guys who have started with them and then gone up a level, only to have them come back to that same level to play against them. Allen, Frame, Johnson, Franks, Stallard to name a few - probably a few more?

For a club that appears to have as good a culture as any, why do their own blokes not stick around?

 

[LaggingBehind]

At any cost??

No not at any cost. And I definitely didn't say that. If within the salary cap and club budget why wouldn't you?
Mind you the deal may hinge on some business work being arranged which sits outside the cap.

 

[LaggingBehind]

100% it is but if its not in the best interests of the player's progress (ie 3 hrs travelling vs kicking a footy) why try to coerce someone down?

Very simple answer.
It will have started by the player (and/or parent) not feeling the love at their previous club. Then they look outside and then they become open to the stories of greater pathways. End story

 

[LaggingBehind]

Big assumption that alot of these blokes will stick around Lagging - not sure I've ever really seen a 3-5 year plan work at this level of footy.

Agree. Big gamble to play the 3 year development card. Everyone wants success immediately

 

[Judge]

Agree. Big gamble to play the 3 year development card. Everyone wants success immediately

As every gambler knows, however, you can only ever play the cards you're dealt.

No-one can seriously believe that Grange has a "policy" whereby we're deliberately fielding such a young team, or not looking to change the list demographics.

 

[Miller1971]

Sure, Grange have been pursuing a youth policy with a view to the future, but we’re definitely not playing kids over older guys in the 2’s who would give us a better chance of winning right now.

No coach or footy department in this league is playing with next year (or later) in mind, they want to win this year. If Grange had more “old blokes” who were worthy of a senior spot we’d be picking them.

its like you are, but at the same time, you're not.

Maybe the policy is the same at every club? Best 22.

 

[Judge]

its like you are, but at the same time, you're not.

Maybe the policy is the same at every club? Best 22.

What I said in your quote remains the truth.

In short, our "youth policy" is simply aimed at having as many good kids aged 16-18 at our club as possible (in the Colts program), including boys who have been playing elsewhere, which I'm 100% certain is the same at every QAFL club.

However, there is no "policy", plan or intent to play kids in the senior team unless they are in the best 22 that week, which again I'm sure is the same at every other club.

We know that to get better we need to be older, but unfortunately implementing that strategy is not straightforward.

And just in case anyone is wondering, no player at Grange this year aged 18 or under was being paid to play so money is definitely not part of the strategy for building the list at Colts level, nor is any mention made of boys getting "opportunities" to play senior footy.

 

[Qld footy fan]

I see they lured J.Allen back from Sherwood, which probably means B.Allen as well.

Magpies not great at retaining guys who have started with them and then gone up a level, only to have them come back to that same level to play against them. Allen, Frame, Johnson, Franks, Stallard to name a few - probably a few more?

For a club that appears to have as good a culture as any, why do their own blokes not stick around?

Stallard jindalee junior

 

[smy1305]

Very simple answer.
It will have started by the player (and/or parent) not feeling the love at their previous club. Then they look outside and then they become open to the stories of greater pathways. End story

Its a common story - but in many cases not necessarily true. Often the "story" is told by the person enticing which is fine - thats called recruiting - but not sure 16yr olds near wind blown up their backside to play the same level of footy.

 

[Miller1971]

Some clubs recruit by disparaging other clubs, other clubs just sell themselves.

If you are the kind of player that falls for the first tactic, you're probably the sort of bloke the 2nd club doesn't want anyway.

 

[Danske]

I don’t quite get why the beat up on Grange on this forum. So they have a young team, and haven’t won many games, but someone has to come bottom or near bottom each year.

I’m sure their coaches are looking for progression and development and not just wins.

And I can categorically say that I am not connected to Grange in any way and I have never met Judge .

Just think there needs to be a bit of balance.







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[Thommo 42]

Some clubs recruit by disparaging other clubs, other clubs just sell themselves.

If you are the kind of player that falls for the first tactic, you're probably the sort of bloke the 2nd club doesn't want anyway.

Every now and then you say something that is highly intelligent and makes sense.

About as regular as the Olympics, but it happens.

I could not possibly agree more with this comment.

 

[LaggingBehind]

Every now and then you say something that is highly intelligent and makes sense.

About as regular as the Olympics, but it happens.

I could not possibly agree more with this comment.

I can't wait for the next Olympics. I just wonder if we'll ever see Fan the Man back on here

 

[Judge]

I can't wait for the next Olympics.

I just wonder if we'll ever see Fan the Man back on here

That's a Bruce Wayne/Batman situation.

 

[2010premier]

I don’t quite get why the beat up on Grange on this forum. So they have a young team, and haven’t won many games, but someone has to come bottom or near bottom each year.

I’m sure their coaches are looking for progression and development and not just wins.

And I can categorically say that I am not connected to Grange in any way and I have never met Judge .

Just think there needs to be a bit of balance.







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probably fair comment but someone on here commented that Grange had the best football program in the comp and no surprise that comment attracted responses. And some of the commentary on Grange’s FB about how awesome their program is has been a bit OTT also, truth is all QAFL clubs are having a crack

Seems also there’s criticism amongst Brisbane people about targeting young players from other clubs, being from the GC I’ve no idea if there’s anything to that.

 

[smy1305]

probably fair comment but someone on here commented that Grange had the best football program in the comp and no surprise that comment attracted responses. And some of the commentary on Grange’s FB about how awesome their program is has been a bit OTT also, truth is all QAFL clubs are having a crack

Seems also there’s criticism amongst Brisbane people about targeting young players from other clubs, being from the GC I’ve no idea if there’s anything to that.

If a program is any good then there shouldn't be a need for ringing / recruiting a single person - they will make their way to that program automatically.

 

[Still Me]

Every now and then you say something that is highly intelligent and makes sense.

About as regular as the Olympics, but it happens.

I could not possibly agree more with this comment.

Talking of Olympics I see Southport look like getting an upgraded stadium to be one of the facilities for the Olympics.

Strong just get stronger

 

[briztoon]

Talking of Olympics I see Southport look like getting an upgraded stadium to be one of the facilities for the Olympics.

Strong just get stronger

Which sport?

 

[Still Me]

Which sport?

They didn’t say. Just said that it had been earmarked to be upgraded to be suitable as a stadium for the Olympics.

 

[briztoon]

They didn’t say. Just said that it had been earmarked to be upgraded to be suitable as a stadium for the Olympics.

Maybe soccer?

 

[smy1305]

Which sport?

I'm not sure any sports to compete but possibly a training venue for some. The unit complex nearby surely will be used as part of the Olympic village as it was for the Comm Games.

 

[LaggingBehind]

If a program is any good then there shouldn't be a need for ringing / recruiting a single person - they will make their way to that program automatically.

You seem to be dancing around specifics with general commentary

 

[smy1305]

You seem to be dancing around specifics with general commentary

not here to bag anyone specifically - always felt that there are a few rules you work by:
1. never ring a player U18 to come to your club - to play seniors or juniors
2. never use a position in Academy / Rep role to influence players
3. never make a kid travel major distances to play unless you are confident that they cannot get what they need closer to home.

Now that doesn't mean a player won't still come to your club but at least you know they are coming because they are desperate to play under you / or with your club. ie the program / culture will be the attraction, not the chat coming out of a person's mouth.

 

[LaggingBehind]

not here to bag anyone specifically - always felt that there are a few rules you work by:
1. never ring a player U18 to come to your club - to play seniors or juniors
2. never use a position in Academy / Rep role to influence players
3. never make a kid travel major distances to play unless you are confident that they cannot get what they need closer to home.

Now that doesn't mean a player won't still come to your club but at least you know they are coming because they are desperate to play under you / or with your club. ie the program / culture will be the attraction, not the chat coming out of a person's mouth.

I suppose with both Maroochydore and Noosa now in QAFL perhaps less of this occurs on the Sunny Coast