QAFL 2021

[Thommo 42]

Ah ok, I assumed they were brothers, playing for the same team.

Jaspa is 17, he is Adrian Fletchers son and arrives at sherwood in 2021 from coorparoo.

Will is 21, he has won our last 2 b&F's comfortably and has played at sherwood since he was 8.

he played NEAFL for the Lions at 16-17, spent time at Aspley - but has been mack at sherwood for 3 years now and flourishing.

Has there ever been anything addressed with regards that AFL commissioned independent report which stated that the Gold Coast QAFL clubs had a $50k advantage each year?

Other than discussion about it and acknowledgement of the inequity, not much really can be done about it. I certainly don't have a solution for it!

And I would suggest that a large part of the reason for the dominance of GC clubs is around $$ which they tend to be able to generate better than Bris

AFL commissioned an independent report on this. Club revenues and profits are all pretty similar (except the 2 giant gaming/pokies driven clubs who have recently joined) but costs are significantly higher for Brisbane clubs due largely to field maintenance.

Sherwood as an example spent $55k on water in the last FY. We also have a mower we paid for that cost a fortune thay needs maintenance and fuel, we buy consumables like fertiliser and herbicides etc. Luckily we have a sensational band of volunteers, because if we didn't just maintaining the field is a $100k per annum venture.

GC clubs have their fields watererd and maintained by council. Conservatively reported at $50k per annum headstart.

 

[Miller1971]

no such thing as a 7 pointer?, 6 pointers are ex afl players, 5 for vfl, wafl, sanfl players and 4 points from player crossing from clubs in the same league or equivalent level. 2-3 points if club can argue that the player recruited is a rookie player and only played mainly reserves at previous club or from a lower level league.

No idea if aspley's or redlands former players will get lower points due to playing games while in the neafl but I imagine them playing there previously does affect their decision to want to play there again.

If you go from 1 QAFL club to another QAFL club, then you are penalised 2 points on top of your base point value.

The only room for a deduction is if you have played 75 Senior games for either club, which makes you a permanent 1 point player. (or 40 junior games)

Hammelman is a Morningside junior and would not have played 75 Senior games for Redland, so given he is a base value of 5 points (VFL) and is going from one QAFL club to another one, he is a 7 point player.

Rayner isn't a junior of either Redland or Morningside, so is a 4 point player. He is going from Morningside to REdland, so would attract the 2 point cross recruitment penalty and be a 6 point player. The same would apply to both Brock and Campbell Aston.

Rumour has it that Jack Rolls has also signed with Redland, another possible 7 points?!

I see that Jackson Allen has also been announced as a signing at Aspley, that would make another 7 point player based on the current matrix.

Can only assume that there has been a change in the points policy that AFLQ have not publicly communicated, but the QAFL clubs all must know about it.

 

[goalkicker11]

If you go from 1 QAFL club to another QAFL club, then you are penalised 2 points on top of your base point value.

The only room for a deduction is if you have played 75 Senior games for either club, which makes you a permanent 1 point player. (or 40 junior games)

Hammelman is a Morningside junior and would not have played 75 Senior games for Redland, so given he is a base value of 5 points (VFL) and is going from one QAFL club to another one, he is a 7 point player.

Rayner isn't a junior of either Redland or Morningside, so is a 4 point player. He is going from Morningside to REdland, so would attract the 2 point cross recruitment penalty and be a 6 point player. The same would apply to both Brock and Campbell Aston.

Rumour has it that Jack Rolls has also signed with Redland, another possible 7 points?!

I see that Jackson Allen has also been announced as a signing at Aspley, that would make another 7 point player based on the current matrix.

Can only assume that there has been a change in the points policy that AFLQ have not publicly communicated, but the QAFL clubs all must know about it.

I think NEAFL seasons will count so they will have reduction in points for most players, but the 2 from Morningside will be 6 for sure.

 

[Miller1971]

to get seasons service discount, they must be consecutive seasons and at an equivalent or higher level.

 

[benchwarmer101]

If you go from 1 QAFL club to another QAFL club, then you are penalised 2 points on top of your base point value.

The only room for a deduction is if you have played 75 Senior games for either club, which makes you a permanent 1 point player. (or 40 junior games)

Hammelman is a Morningside junior and would not have played 75 Senior games for Redland, so given he is a base value of 5 points (VFL) and is going from one QAFL club to another one, he is a 7 point player.

Rayner isn't a junior of either Redland or Morningside, so is a 4 point player. He is going from Morningside to REdland, so would attract the 2 point cross recruitment penalty and be a 6 point player. The same would apply to both Brock and Campbell Aston.

Rumour has it that Jack Rolls has also signed with Redland, another possible 7 points?!

I see that Jackson Allen has also been announced as a signing at Aspley, that would make another 7 point player based on the current matrix.

Can only assume that there has been a change in the points policy that AFLQ have not publicly communicated, but the QAFL clubs all must know about it.

wasn't aware of the added 2 points for crossing to a rival team, don't mind it actually promotes loyalty.

 

[Miller1971]

depends on the reasons for the move.

If someone leaves because they got shafted (Aston, Rayner etc) then they shouldn't be so hard to recruit.

If someone leaves just because they got a massive offer, then the point penalty should apply.

hard to police, so its just a flat penalty across the board

 

[LaggingBehind]

And I would suggest that a large part of the reason for the dominance of GC clubs is around $$ which they tend to be able to generate better than Bris

Never heard of this?

The report was commissioned just prior to Maroochydore's entry. Every QAFL club at the time was provided a copy

 

[smy1305]

If you go from 1 QAFL club to another QAFL club, then you are penalised 2 points on top of your base point value.

The only room for a deduction is if you have played 75 Senior games for either club, which makes you a permanent 1 point player. (or 40 junior games)

Hammelman is a Morningside junior and would not have played 75 Senior games for Redland, so given he is a base value of 5 points (VFL) and is going from one QAFL club to another one, he is a 7 point player.

Rayner isn't a junior of either Redland or Morningside, so is a 4 point player. He is going from Morningside to REdland, so would attract the 2 point cross recruitment penalty and be a 6 point player. The same would apply to both Brock and Campbell Aston.

Rumour has it that Jack Rolls has also signed with Redland, another possible 7 points?!

I see that Jackson Allen has also been announced as a signing at Aspley, that would make another 7 point player based on the current matrix.

Can only assume that there has been a change in the points policy that AFLQ have not publicly communicated, but the QAFL clubs all must know about it.

None that has come up in discussion at Roo land I think??

 

[smy1305]

wasn't aware of the added 2 points for crossing to a rival team, don't mind it actually promotes loyalty.

Yeah that was the exact rationale for introducing it - to prevent an exodus of players to follow a coach for example.

 

[smy1305]

Might be some decent 2's teams in QAFL next year...

 

[goalkicker11]

to get seasons service discount, they must be consecutive seasons and at an equivalent or higher level.

Hammelmann played 2017 to 2019 so I think he will be 3 points as you can’t tell me Aspley and Redlands haven’t asked the question about points.

 

[Miller1971]

2017-2019 is of no relevance because he played at Aspley in 2021.

They might argue to count 2020 (as he was Redlands listed) and try to get him up to 75 games, but I doubt it would get him to 75.

You only start getting the season of service discount if they are consecutive years, and it starts in year 3 and is 1 point per year down to minimum of 1.

Hammelman is not eligible for that discount

you can’t tell me Aspley and Redlands haven’t asked the question about points.

if they are getting information about changes to the system, prior to those changes being announced - then I think there would be an explosion in clubland

 

[goalkicker11]

2017-2019 is of no relevance because he played at Aspley in 2021.

They might argue to count 2020 (as he was Redlands listed) and try to get him up to 75 games, but I doubt it would get him to 75.

You only start getting the season of service discount if they are consecutive years, and it starts in year 3 and is 1 point per year down to minimum of 1.

Hammelman is not eligible for that discount



if they are getting information about changes to the system, prior to those changes being announced - then I think there would be an explosion in clubland

No one said they are getting special treatment but you can call and ask what the rules are on players and I’m sure if you are connected to any club they will get the same info.

 

[QldClueless]

2017-2019 is of no relevance because he played at Aspley in 2021.

They might argue to count 2020 (as he was Redlands listed) and try to get him up to 75 games, but I doubt it would get him to 75.

You only start getting the season of service discount if they are consecutive years, and it starts in year 3 and is 1 point per year down to minimum of 1.

Hammelman is not eligible for that discount



if they are getting information about changes to the system, prior to those changes being announced - then I think there would be an explosion in clubland

A player who was previously registered with a club for at least one full season and played at least 5 club games in any season, before transferring to a higher-level competition (for a maximum of 36 months) will return with the same PPA as when they transferred out. A player may play for multiple clubs at higher levels during this time

 

[Ruffles00]

Most of those players got shafted when the Aspley boys came back and played in the finals

Explain who was "shafted"?

 

[Coastal Footy Fan]

no such thing as a 7 pointer?, 6 pointers are ex afl players, 5 for vfl, wafl, sanfl players and 4 points from player crossing from clubs in the same league or equivalent level. 2-3 points if club can argue that the player recruited is a rookie player and only played mainly reserves at previous club or from a lower level league.

No idea if aspley's or redlands former players will get lower points due to playing games while in the neafl but I imagine them playing there previously does affect their decision to want to play there again.

Not true if a player has played 5 or more senior games and go to another QAFL club they are 6 points.

 

[Dusty Pup]

Explain who was "shafted"?

The morningside players that have gone to Redlands for 2022. 10 VFL players came back in a final. That’s my term of shafted

 

[BlackGun1]

Redland and Aspley can't possibly fit under the points cap unless there has been a backdoor deal on point deductions that hasn't been announced yet to the rest of the clubs.

Hammelman is a 7 pointer at Redland, Rayner is a 6 pointer. Add in the Aston boys who have reportedly signed there, and thats 2 more 6 pointers - so they have signed 25 points worth across 4 blokes.

Given pre-season is starting at most clubs and most of the rcruiting is done, they can't make a change to points policy now - would be absurd.

Rayner has played twos at Morningside for the last 2 years, bizarre that he could be a 6 pointer. Some sort of discount should apply there

Both Aston's have been in and out of the ones from memory

 

[Miller1971]

A player who was previously registered with a club for at least one full season and played at least 5 club games in any season, before transferring to a higher-level competition (for a maximum of 36 months) will return with the same PPA as when they transferred out. A player may play for multiple clubs at higher levels during this time

Fair enough, when you consider that - then Hammelman is probably a 3 pointer at Redland (and a 5 pointer at Aspley)

The morningside players that have gone to Redlands for 2022. 10 VFL players came back in a final. That’s my term of shafted

they are leaving in droves across the board, even the blokes not shafted want out of the place because they know they could be shafted.

Rayner has played twos at Morningside for the last 2 years, bizarre that he could be a 6 pointer. Some sort of discount should apply there

Both Aston's have been in and out of the ones from memory

you don't get to just decide you want a discount. If you have played 5 or more senior games in the past 3 years at QAFL level, your base point value is 4.

If you then move to a competing QAFL club, then a 2 point penalty is applied on top. Rayner and both Aston's meet this threshold, there is no way on gods earth they are not all 6 pointers unless a backdoor deal has been done.

 

[2010premier]

Fair enough, when you consider that - then Hammelman is probably a 3 pointer at Redland (and a 5 pointer at Aspley)



they are leaving in droves across the board, even the blokes not shafted want out of the place because they know they could be shafted.



you don't get to just decide you want a discount. If you have played 5 or more senior games in the past 3 years at QAFL level, your base point value is 4.

If you then move to a competing QAFL club, then a 2 point penalty is applied on top. Rayner and both Aston's meet this threshold, there is no way on gods earth they are not all 6 pointers unless a backdoor deal has been done.

Rayner may not have played 5 senior games in any of past 3 years but the Astons sure have and as you say should be 6 pointers

 

[Miller1971]

Rayner definitely played 5+ games in 2019, in fact more than 10

 

[Dezario]

Rayner definitely played 5+ games in 2019, in fact more than 10

if he hasn’t played much seniors in the last 3 year his points shouldn’t matter. Who is to say he’ll be a regular senior player at Redlands. (He should be 6 going off the points model)

 

[2010premier]

if he hasn’t played much seniors in the last 3 year his points shouldn’t matter. Who is to say he’ll be a regular senior player at Redlands. (He should be 6 going off the points model)

anything happening down at Palmy dezario? Been pretty quiet

 

[smy1305]

if he hasn’t played much seniors in the last 3 year his points shouldn’t matter. Who is to say he’ll be a regular senior player at Redlands. (He should be 6 going off the points model)

If he is just fitting in to the best 22 at Redlands - as a 6 pointer - then I would suggest he will never play seniors.

 

[stuyd1]

Broady retain premiership players in Maloney and Winter ,, lookin strong