Review QF: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[Rank]

It is true that we need to be patient with this current group, however it is also true that we are well and truly overdue for success.




It’d be great but it’s also extremely difficult. More teams have tried and failed to do that then have succeeded. Just look at Richmond, they’re managing their rebuild pretty well now, but what they did trying to stay at the top after their dynasty has probably set them back 2-3 years.

It helps when you can poach players like Dangerfield, Cameron, Smith and get players like Stengle

Rank, thanks, but what are you disagreeing with, please? <<sweet smile>>

Here's the thing: you can disagree with opinions (subjective points-of-view, or a judgment or an interpretation).
In fact I welcome respectful disagreement on my opinions, many of which have been disputed --- many shot down in flames, for that matter --- have a look at davos44 for How-to-Disagree lessons .

But you can't disagree with facts.
Starcevich was blindsided, not looking (fact). He was concussed, taken off the field and missed a game.
I even sent you the link to the video (factual, indisputable proof of the above) so you could see for yourself.

It just occurred to me that you might be disagreeing with my agreeing with you re: "Rankine's a dummy ...etc", but that would be, well, odd .
But consistent.

I'm not big on the meme thing. I find it a bit childish.

 

[Cromulant]

Only if you don’t know football.

So what do you think of leaving Moore as the spare to kill us? Good coaching? 9 defenders?

Worrell was our spare and our BOG.

Kicking it to Moore isnt coaching, its player composure. Compare Collingwood spotting up players inside 45m at will.

Nicks ballsed things a bit, but the players have to take a fair portion of the blame for shitting the bed by hand and foot repeatedly.

 

[feenix67]

Choked. Didn't like the frontal pressure and heads went out the window.
Stuff this club has been doing for 20 years.

Yeah inclined to agree but I think the gameplan lacked any imagination as well

 

[Cromulant]

Yeah inclined to agree but I think the gameplan lacked any imagination as well

It was a perfect storm of incorrect selections, poor setups and a bunch of players playing their worst game in 12 months.

 

[1990crow]

Yeah inclined to agree but I think the gameplan lacked any imagination as well

I just don't buy you have to have finals experience to win.
We beat these guys 3 weeks ago, and we proved over 9 weeks we were good enough.

Simply didn't play to the level we had set for ourselves. That's what's disappointing.

 

[Cromulant]

I just don't buy you have to have finals experience to win.
We beat these guys 3 weeks ago, and we proved over 9 weeks we were good enough.

Simply didn't play to the level we had set for ourselves. That's what's disappointing.

There's a fair bit of evidence to suggest you do need to lose some to win.

Especially given 16 of our guys had never played in one, it showed

 

[1990crow]

There's a fair bit of evidence to suggest you do need to lose some to win.

Especially given 16 of our guys had never played in one, it showed

That's purely mental rubbish to excuse from not performing.

 

[Cromulant]

That's purely mental rubbish to excuse from not performing.

Its really not, have a look through the record books of the last 25 years.

Very very few sides have ever won a flag with as little experience as what weve got. Its fact

 

[feenix67]

I just don't buy you have to have finals experience to win.
We beat these guys 3 weeks ago, and we proved over 9 weeks we were good enough.

Simply didn't play to the level we had set for ourselves. That's what's disappointing.

Why do you think we didn't? Did we look composed? Did we look like we'd spent tickets before the first bounce? That's nervous energy, it clouds your thinking and saps your energy.

We were continually having two or three players getting sucked into the contest, something we haven't done all year. That's a lack composure and clear headedness.

Absolutely lack of finals experience has an impact, especially against a finals hardened opponent. We will be better for the experience, players and coaches.

 

[1990crow]

Its really not, have a look through the record books of the last 25 years.

Very very few sides have ever won a flag with as little experience as what weve got. Its fact

Yeah and I'm saying there's psychology there, nothing ability related. Those teams and we had the ability to win and couldn't because we didn't maximise our game.

 

[1990crow]

Why do you think we didn't? Did we look composed? Did we look like we'd spent tickets before the first bounce? That's nervous energy, it clouds your thinking and saps your energy.

We were continually having two or three players getting sucked into the contest, something we haven't done all year. That's a lack composure and clear headedness.

Absolutely lack of finals experience has an impact, especially against a finals hardened opponent. We will be better for the experience, players and coaches.

Agree with all that. That's the coaching group and leaderships job though, to demand standards of every player to stick to what's worked.
That we couldn't is a real worry.

 

[feenix67]

Yeah and I'm saying there's psychology there, nothing ability related. Those teams and we had the ability to win and couldn't because we didn't maximise our game.

Ask yourself why

 

[SugarShane]

I understand the emotion people have after a finals loss, it sucks losing big games. However, after having more time to think about the game a few days on, did we really play that poorly?

Yes, we did.

It was our biggest loss for the year. Bigger than when we ran out of puff against Geelong, and bigger than when we didn't show up against Fremantle.

It was by definition one of our worst games of the year.

Collingwood not scoring much outside of a run where they scored at will and then put the cue in the rack doesn't say a lot. Their average score this year was 86, and they scored 79. On a perfect night for football we scored 55. That's not a good game no matter how you spin it. The margin might not have blown out but Collingwood haven't really torched many sides this year. They've fallen into a low scoring style.

We reverted to 2024 with blind bombs and arrogant bonehead decision making. At the ground it was a numb affair after that 5 goal burst. The game was done. We didn't look like getting anywhere near them and they were in cruise control.

 

[feenix67]

Agree with all that. That's the coaching group and leaderships job though, to demand standards of every player to stick to what's worked.
That we couldn't is a real worry.

No coach on the planet can stop a player from playing the game in his head 20 times before the event. Some people handle it, some don't. It's just ignoring human nature to say lack of experience doesn't make an impact.

 

[Cromulant]

Yeah and I'm saying there's psychology there, nothing ability related. Those teams and we had the ability to win and couldn't because we didn't maximise our game.

Thats true, when you combine a lack of finals experience in the coaches box with a lack of it on field, Thursdays result was always a chance.

Its not shock that 3 of the sides that started favourites and lost, did so with the weakest of the finals coaches.

 

[Mattrox]

Why do you think we didn't? Did we look composed? Did we look like we'd spent tickets before the first bounce? That's nervous energy, it clouds your thinking and saps your energy.

We were continually having two or three players getting sucked into the contest, something we haven't done all year. That's a lack composure and clear headedness.

Absolutely lack of finals experience has an impact, especially against a finals hardened opponent. We will be better for the experience, players and coaches.

The number 1 indicator of success in finals is finals games played together.

I am in furious agreement with your assessment.

Doesn't mean we can't win. Means it is not the normal or usual result.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Worrell was our spare and our BOG.

Kicking it to Moore isnt coaching, its player composure. Compare Collingwood spotting up players inside 45m at will.

Nicks ballsed things a bit, but the players have to take a fair portion of the blame for shitting the bed by hand and foot repeatedly.

No doubt the players also are to blame but it’s Nicks responsibility as coach if you’re getting destroyed by a player to fix it.

Having Worrell as a spare didn’t stop them from kicking a winning score. It was time to man up 6 on .

Plus it’s Nicks game plan to play safe, go down the line and then under pressure we eventually bombed. Compare that to the way they ran in waves and moved the ball on.

 

[Gtowncrow]

Again - is it certain that it was Quaynor who reported it?

Collingwood football club reported. This decision included everyone up to the CEO.

Ultimately, they as a club consciously and knowingly reported. The player alleging is a junior party in their overall decision but would have been closely scrutinised by Collingwood before going down the reporting road.

They knew exactly what they were doing.

 

[sjanapati]

Can someone explain to me what Murray brings that means he plays in front of Butts?

cool

 

[sjanapati]

it is good and awesome

 

[Gtowncrow]

There's a fair bit of evidence to suggest you do need to lose some to win.

Especially given 16 of our guys had never played in one, it showed

What a shame the AFL robbed is two years ago of a finals series.

The experience might have been handy about now.

 

[davos44]

Rank, thanks, but what are you disagreeing with, please? <<sweet smile>>

Here's the thing: you can disagree with opinions (subjective points-of-view, or a judgment or an interpretation).
In fact I welcome respectful disagreement on my opinions, many of which have been disputed --- many shot down in flames, for that matter --- have a look at davos44 for How-to-Disagree lessons .

But you can't disagree with facts.
Starcevich was blindsided, not looking (fact). He was concussed, taken off the field and missed a game.
I even sent you the link to the video (factual, indisputable proof of the above) so you could see for yourself.

It just occurred to me that you might be disagreeing with my agreeing with you re: "Rankine's a dummy ...etc", but that would be, well, odd .
But consistent.

I agree, Rankine has a top tier, premium subscription to idiocy.

 

[Soggy2112]

Worrell was our spare and our BOG.

Kicking it to Moore isnt coaching, its player composure. Compare Collingwood spotting up players inside 45m at will.

Nicks ballsed things a bit, but the players have to take a fair portion of the blame for shitting the bed by hand and foot repeatedly.

It’s a coaches job to prepare the players for what happens on game day. Collingwood’s players were well drilled to look for the short/lateral option or handball their way out of the stoppage and avoid the loose defender. They had 62 more uncontested possessions which indicates just how much better they were at controlling the ball than us.

 

[skam85]

If Nicks coached GC and Dimma coached us, the results would have been reversed on the weekend.

 

[Cromulant]

It’s a coaches job to prepare the players for what happens on game day. Collingwood’s players were well drilled to look for the short/lateral option or handball their way out of the stoppage and avoid the loose defender. They had 62 more uncontested possessions which indicates just how much better they were at controlling the ball than us.

There's no doubt all of that is true, however you cannot place the blame solely at the feet of the coaching staff.

We knew what was coming, and the players didnt handle the heat. No one did.