Quicky's list draft and trade talk thread 2011

[TradeDraft]

Reported in the West Australian today that Josh Stott is on Collingwoods radar .

Stott is an All Australian 20 yr old Amateur playing for North Beach , played a senior game for East Perth in the final round of the season .
Stott is descibed as a promising ruckman and I would imagine he would be quite cheap come draft time ,..... even a rookie pick !

Is there any info on him and do you have the Link to the Story?

 

[ash84]

Not sure if it has been announced in the media yet, but I have it on very good authority (his girlfriend) that Shae was told last Wednesday that his contract would not be getting renewed. Shame as he always came across as an exceptional bloke.

Really??

 

[Zahki]

Not sure if it has been announced in the media yet, but I have it on very good authority (his girlfriend) that Shae was told last Wednesday that his contract would not be getting renewed. Shame as he always came across as an exceptional bloke.

Sad for Shae but not unexpected. It was always going to be a miracle to break into the best side in the league with only 2 years of playing the sport under his belt. I hope the experience serves him well for whatever he does next.

 

[blaze036]

Rounds' effort of keeping Boomer under complete control looked AFL quality to me, really, really bewildering call Knight.
He has courage, nice skills and decent pace, he's also a great spoiler.

Rounds and Thomas won't be traded or delisted, they are our future.

Complete control? are u serious bomber kicked HALF of norths goals, whilst sustaining a broken thumb and missing a lot of game time... In a close match rounds would of lost us the game, if bomber had equal oppounitys to our forwards he woulda kicked a huge bag. Boomer got absolute dirty oppunitys as we destroyed there midifeld.

Rounds has okay skills, okay pace good work ethic good attitude.

Highly doubt him and thomas are in the future team, how does J.Thomas break into our midfield? especially when new draftees over the next two years(superdraft) will pass him in their 1st years he'll never get in.

Rounds will likely be found out for pace and height, at 181 his really limited to who he can run with, and doesnt add much in form of rebound like davis do. Most players his type are either much faster (rioli garlett ect) or better overhead marks (Lecras walker). His only a good fit for somone like Harvey (short, but slowish as his getting old)

Rounds is a great kid and fantastic attitude, doubt he has the physical attributes to continue at this level to a good standard. J.Thomas also injury prone which won't help him.

We've got such an incredibly young great team, our young kids need to be up to a great standard (fasolo) or they wont get in (Mcarthy). Yea J.Thomas has been good in the VFL but his not up to the standard to push one of our young midfielders out, and if we get a great young midfielder or two this draft and next jeez J.Thomas is a long way from getting a regular game. Really his got no chance of a regular game next year, and thats his 3rd year on the list for a midfielder, the wolves will be at his door as we need to delist a few for the superdraft.

 

[Ed D]

You make it sound as though Harvey had a huge game kicking half of North's goals. The problem is North only kicked 4 goals for the entire match! Oh and Boomer broke his thumb in the 2nd half, didn't spend that much time off the ground and even played the following week.

Rounds wasn't a superstar but he was better than you're making out, worse than what PieBeast is saying too. Somewhere in the middle. All this coming from his second game of football. He's certainly showed enough to keep a spot on the list, but it's too early to say much about him.

 

[blaze036]

You make it sound as though Harvey had a huge game kicking half of North's goals. The problem is North only kicked 4 goals for the entire match! Oh and Boomer broke his thumb in the 2nd half, didn't spend that much time off the ground and even played the following week.

Rounds wasn't a superstar but he was better than you're making out, worse than what PieBeast is saying too. Somewhere in the middle. All this coming from his second game of football. He's certainly showed enough to keep a spot on the list, but it's too early to say much about him.

I entirely agree about keeping him on the list short term, no reason to delist him. Boomer had very very low chances and kicked 2 goals, rounds didnt play well (he offered nothing offensively really). Yes it was only his 2nd game but u cant say he played well.

Just saying i dont see him in our future team.

 

[PieBeast]

Complete control? are u serious bomber kicked HALF of norths goals, whilst sustaining a broken thumb and missing a lot of game time... In a close match rounds would of lost us the game, if bomber had equal oppounitys to our forwards he woulda kicked a huge bag. Boomer got absolute dirty oppunitys as we destroyed there midifeld.

Rounds has okay skills, okay pace good work ethic good attitude.

Highly doubt him and thomas are in the future team, how does J.Thomas break into our midfield? especially when new draftees over the next two years(superdraft) will pass him in their 1st years he'll never get in.

Rounds will likely be found out for pace and height, at 181 his really limited to who he can run with, and doesnt add much in form of rebound like davis do. Most players his type are either much faster (rioli garlett ect) or better overhead marks (Lecras walker). His only a good fit for somone like Harvey (short, but slowish as his getting old)

Rounds is a great kid and fantastic attitude, doubt he has the physical attributes to continue at this level to a good standard. J.Thomas also injury prone which won't help him.

We've got such an incredibly young great team, our young kids need to be up to a great standard (fasolo) or they wont get in (Mcarthy). Yea J.Thomas has been good in the VFL but his not up to the standard to push one of our young midfielders out, and if we get a great young midfielder or two this draft and next jeez J.Thomas is a long way from getting a regular game. Really his got no chance of a regular game next year, and thats his 3rd year on the list for a midfielder, the wolves will be at his door as we need to delist a few for the superdraft.

Please refrain from replying to my posts.

kthxbai

You make it sound as though Harvey had a huge game kicking half of North's goals. The problem is North only kicked 4 goals for the entire match! Oh and Boomer broke his thumb in the 2nd half, didn't spend that much time off the ground and even played the following week.

Rounds wasn't a superstar but he was better than you're making out, worse than what PieBeast is saying too. Somewhere in the middle. All this coming from his second game of football. He's certainly showed enough to keep a spot on the list, but it's too early to say much about him.

Rounds was very good in that game and shown quite a bit as medium defender and up forward at VFL level. Anyone suggesting he is a delisting material has no idea.

 

[Quicky]

Complete control? are u serious bomber kicked HALF of norths goals, whilst sustaining a broken thumb and missing a lot of game time... In a close match rounds would of lost us the game, if bomber had equal oppounitys to our forwards he woulda kicked a huge bag. Boomer got absolute dirty oppunitys as we destroyed there midifeld.

Rounds has okay skills, okay pace good work ethic good attitude.

Highly doubt him and thomas are in the future team, how does J.Thomas break into our midfield? especially when new draftees over the next two years(superdraft) will pass him in their 1st years he'll never get in.

Rounds will likely be found out for pace and height, at 181 his really limited to who he can run with, and doesnt add much in form of rebound like davis do. Most players his type are either much faster (rioli garlett ect) or better overhead marks (Lecras walker). His only a good fit for somone like Harvey (short, but slowish as his getting old)

Rounds is a great kid and fantastic attitude, doubt he has the physical attributes to continue at this level to a good standard. J.Thomas also injury prone which won't help him.

We've got such an incredibly young great team, our young kids need to be up to a great standard (fasolo) or they wont get in (Mcarthy). Yea J.Thomas has been good in the VFL but his not up to the standard to push one of our young midfielders out, and if we get a great young midfielder or two this draft and next jeez J.Thomas is a long way from getting a regular game. Really his got no chance of a regular game next year, and thats his 3rd year on the list for a midfielder, the wolves will be at his door as we need to delist a few for the superdraft.

Rounds has a rare combination of elite endurance and genuine pace. He also has above average footskills. To suggest he is without weopons as a player is misguided.

Now he may not find a position in this team but that is an entirely different discussion. He wont be the only quality player to struggle to cement a spot in this side and thats no shame. We are a very strong team at the moment.

 

[Heater39]

My changes would be

Retire- Brown
Delist- Dick (then re-rookie) and two of Farmer/Stubbs/McCarthy

It makes sense to put Dick on the rookie list. Spots on the senior list are tight whereas it's likely that a number of rookie list spots will open up. He's likely to spend the majority of next season in rehab anyhow.

I really hope Leon stays on for another year but it sounds like he'll probably retire

Imo, we should make the minimum amount of list changes possible this year given the draft is supposedly weak (not to mention compromised) and next years is strong (and not compromised).

Next year will be make or break for a number of players I reckon.

 

[Hardas]

As others have stated here or there, given the GWS factor in this draft and likely retirements, we may not need to make any hard calls this year afterall.

If all of Leigh Brown, Leon Davis and Ben Johnson were to go, for example, we may just be trading with GWS on our own terms, or losing a 'Best 27' rather than 'Best 22' player with whatever pick we get for them.

That would leave us another year to assess the likes of Rounds.

Wrong thread, maybe, but are any more of our 'Best 22' still uncontracted for 2012, except for Dawes?

 

[wello]

I like Luke Rounds, I think he has a MASSIVE upside, and will get a lot more opportunities under Bucks.

I hope Roundsy stays, I hope he plays, and I reckon he'll be a huge success

 

[miksmif]

Scott Reed- I know he hasn't set the world on fire or anything like that but he won't be de-listed, he'll only be leaving if collingwood trade him..he has already had his end of season surgery and I doubt collingwood would spend money on getting that done if they weren't going to keep him..in saying that if he can't crack the grade next year which will be IMO not likely it will then be cut at the end of 2012

 

[Scodog10]

Scott Reed- I know he hasn't set the world on fire or anything like that but he won't be de-listed, he'll only be leaving if collingwood trade him..he has already had his end of season surgery and I doubt collingwood would spend money on getting that done if they weren't going to keep him..in saying that if he can't crack the grade next year which will be IMO not likely it will then be cut at the end of 2012

That's interesting because 2011 was his 3rd as a rookie and his second officially on the rookie list so Collingwood has 3 choices 1. De-list 2. De-list and re-rookie for one final year or 3. Up-grade to the senior list.

The 3rd won't happen because list spots are way too tight so he will be de-listed, but from the sounds of things he may be retained for that final year as a rookie. Unless of course he is traded or released to GWS.

 

[FIGJAM]

how does J.Thomas break into our midfield? especially when new draftees over the next two years(superdraft) will pass him in their 1st years he'll never get in.

Josh Thomas is the best natural inside ball winner on our list, including any of our current senior midfielders.

 

[TradeDraft]

Josh Thomas is the best natural inside ball winner on our list, including any of our current senior midfielders.

That is a Massive Call FIGJAM

 

[Scodog10]

That is a Massive Call FIGJAM

Not particularly. If I was to compare Josh's natural inside ball winning ability i.e his sense of reading it off the ruckman's palm or in a contested situation. I would say its similar to Kerr's (I'm not comparing the two as players) just more in the aspect that they both know what position to get into in order to receive the hit out or to get the ball in traffic.

Players such as Wellers, Ball and Pendles are all strong in that area, however they haven't got that innate ability to get into the correct position like players such as Watson, Kennedy (Swans), Swallow and Kerr have which IMO Josh also shares.

Note: This is based on limited viewing so if anyone want's to challenge me on it I certainly won't get up in arms lol.

 

[TradeDraft]

Not particularly. If I was to compare Josh's natural inside ball winning ability i.e his sense of reading it off the ruckman's palm or in a contested situation. I would say its similar to Kerr's (I'm not comparing the two as players) just more in the aspect that they both know what position to get into in order to receive the hit out or to get the ball in traffic.

Players such as Wellers, Ball and Pendles are all strong in that area, however they haven't got that innate ability to get into the correct position like players such as Watson, Kennedy (Swans), Swallow and Kerr have which IMO Josh also shares.

Note: This is based on limited viewing so if anyone want's to challenge me on it I certainly won't get up in arms lol.

How you Hyped him up - IF he stays injury free I see him Playing from RD 1 Next Season

 

[Scodog10]

How you Hyped him up - IF he stays injury free I see him Playing from RD 1 Next Season

Its not that simple Dave and as I said I don't want to hype him up or compare him overall to any of those players because that could prove horribly inaccurate and its not something I like to do. Also the players he needs to dislodge have the edge over him in a number of other areas.

Just think of those skills that we've been discussing as a chapter in a book! Having those skills alone doesn't tell the whole story its everything as a package that will define whether he makes the grade or not.

Other areas that he needs to build on in order to take that next step is to increase his engine, upper body strength and work on his awareness.

 

[Ed D]

Scott Reed- I know he hasn't set the world on fire or anything like that but he won't be de-listed, he'll only be leaving if collingwood trade him..he has already had his end of season surgery and I doubt collingwood would spend money on getting that done if they weren't going to keep him..in saying that if he can't crack the grade next year which will be IMO not likely it will then be cut at the end of 2012

You'd have to be a pretty cold club to not give a kid surgery if he needed it just because you were going to delist him. I can't see him being on the list next season, I wouldn't be surprised if he went to GWS however.

 

[shawthing09]

Really interesting off-season in this regard this year. I think we are going to come under pressure from guys like Rounds, Goldsack and McCarthy wanting more senior action. All have shown they are at least capable at AFL level and none have a real clear opening into our side.

At the same time I think that obviously when we are in the position we are you need as many AFL ready players as possible. They may not be superstars but they need to be capable role players.

On the other hand we have invested heavily in experinced players in recent years and I am sure for a number of reasons the club would probably like to use the 1st round pick on a kid.

I think if one of the above senior guys does go I wouldn't be surprised to see the club picking up a mature age guy or recycled AFL player or two later in the draft.

As for the type of player we'd ideally be looking at, I guess looking at Leon's impact this year it would be nice to get another damaging outside player. Someone with top shelf footskills and pace, but with the draft pick we have that will be unlikely.

 

[carnthepies19]

Retired - Leroy
Maj

Delist - Reed
Dick
Shae Mac

Trade Bait - Caff
McCarthy
Goldy
Bucks


I do feel sorry for poor Brad Dick but he has too many injuries and he also has such a light frame that he easily gets recurring injuries. Reed and Shae Mac are gone too, they haven't shown that they can seriously push for a spot in our 22 and being Reed's last year on the rookie list it was really do or die for the year. Caff, McCarthy, Goldy and Bucks I can see leaving for more senior opportunities. I'd try to hold on to one of Goldy or Bucks because we do need a bit of backup.

 

[Quicky]

Scott Reed- I know he hasn't set the world on fire or anything like that but he won't be de-listed, he'll only be leaving if collingwood trade him..he has already had his end of season surgery and I doubt collingwood would spend money on getting that done if they weren't going to keep him..in saying that if he can't crack the grade next year which will be IMO not likely it will then be cut at the end of 2012

This is his third and final year on the rookie list. He hasn't done anything to warrant a senior list position. He will be delisted. I highly doubt we would give him a fourth year as a rookie so the re-rookie scenario is a long shot. Even rookie positions are tight. As a medium defender he also plays a position we have absolutely no need to fill right now. We have a heap of depth in this position. Everything is stacked against him. It would be a dog act for the club not to do surgery whether he was staying or not.

 

[shawthing09]

This is his third and final year on the rookie list. He hasn't done anything to warrant a senior list position. He will be delisted. I highly doubt we would give him a fourth year as a rookie so the re-rookie scenario is a long shot. Even rookie positions are tight. As a medium defender he also plays a position we have absolutely no need to fill right now. We have a heap of depth in this position. Everything is stacked against him. It would be a dog act for the club not to do surgery whether he was staying or not.

I agree with this. Only way I can see him being kept on is if Goldsack wanted out.

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

This is his third and final year on the rookie list. He hasn't done anything to warrant a senior list position. He will be delisted. I highly doubt we would give him a fourth year as a rookie so the re-rookie scenario is a long shot. Even rookie positions are tight. As a medium defender he also plays a position we have absolutely no need to fill right now. We have a heap of depth in this position. Everything is stacked against him. It would be a dog act for the club not to do surgery whether he was staying or not.

Agree that the club would go forward with surgery even if it intended to delist Reed. Collingwood looks after its own in that regard.
I think that 3 years is enough time - just hasnt shown enough to justify an extension (door was open for rookie upgrade during 2011 season, however no rookie was able to earn the upgrade).

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Being a listed AFL player, you would assume that the club covers any medical costs required.
Therefore if you knew you were going to get delisted and you knew that you needed surgery, common sense is that you get it done straight away when it's free (ie paid by the club) before you are out on your own.