Preview R16: Changes vs. Richmond Tigers (after the bye)

[GreyCrow]

Murphys SANFL stats are inflated by the position he is chosen in - midfield

He is no longer a midfielder and is taking game position away from development

Again not on Murphy which is also why I have ptsd and cant commit to feeling joy at being 4th

 

[Alwaysacrow]

It's amazing how Murphy can creep his way back into the 22 each year. Just when you think he's no longer a chance and we're doing well with injuries, there he is.

He's like that ugly weed in the backyard you can never completely get rid of.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

He's like that ugly weed in the backyard you can never completely get rid of.

kikuyu.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Had a dinner in Sydney Thursday night ( ) so only catching up on the 'change' now...

Typical from Nicks..... Surely Draper and Edwards could have had a gig this weekend against similar weight for age opponents.... But noooope, got to back in the likes of Laird and Smith.

That disgraceful pathetic 'effort' by Smith in the last quarter against Hawks when he got outbarked on the wing with a tiny shove cost us the game.

 

[Syd Crow]

According to Google, "No flies on him" is an idiom, mostly used in British English, meaning someone is clever, quick-witted, and not easily deceived. It implies that they are alert, observant, and unlikely to fall for tricks or manipulations. The phrase suggests a lack of mental weakness or significant flaws. Well I guess this explains everything!

 

[Huntercrow]

I’m hoping we return from the bye with our mind on the job. It’s nice to have a break and freshen up but that Hawthorn game seems like an eternity away.
Richmond on the other hand had their arses handed to them on a plate. It would be burning in their memory.
I guess we’ll know in the first 5 minutes where our heads are at. I’m also hoping the coaching staff didn’t waste time reality checking the squad. Nicks can be sharp on the track when he sees complacency.

 

[Scorpus]

I just don’t understand how we’ve ended up with Laird, Smith and Murphy all in the same team when we are close to being fully fit. .

I don't know how to tell you this, but it was ALWAYS going to happen under Nicks

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

Murphy's numbers are better via disposal count but is that actually a positive when Murphy averages 3 clangers, 2 turnovers per game?

Pedlar 1 clanger, 0.8 turnovers
Taylor 0.4 clangers, 1.3 turnovers

Pedlar's the best for goal & tackles, while Taylor is the best ball user of the 3

My point was all the alternatives have performed in a similar average/below average output as a medium / small forward. Measurements of overall performance like champion data points have Murphy just in front.

Now my preference is to select the players with greater potential (Taylor, Pedlar, Dowling) but I was responding to a comment that it is inconceivable for Nicks to select Murphy over the other players.

The other change this season is an even greater reluctance to bring in someone and play them in a different position compared to their SANFL form (yes, I know Murphy is the exception). I believe that it is recognised that Zac Taylor is well down the pecking order as an inside midfielder, due to lack of fitness. He is playing as a high half forward in the Twos so he can move seamlessly into this role. Similar story with Pedlar. Nankervis and Dowling are likely to play on the wing in the AFL. Edwards, Bond and Ryan are back up medium/small defenders.

Once all of our Kids are selected in their / the coaches preferred positions then our SANFL use the experienced guys like Murphy and Smith plus the top ups to complete the team.

Once again, I am not endorsing what is happening but there is some logic to what they are doing. The previous system of playing say Dowling as an inside midfielder in the SANFL and then using him as a forward in the AFL didn’t work very well.

 

[George CantStandYa]

I would never say you were annoying Feenix, you're very knowledgeable. However, given a choice between celebration and criticism, you do have a tendency to choose the latter.

Can you provide us an example where you have provided constructive criticism of the club?

 

[GreyCrow]

kikuyu.

kirkuyu

Ftfy

 

[George CantStandYa]

My point was all the alternatives have performed in a similar average/below average output as a medium / small forward. Measurements of overall performance like champion data points have Murphy just in front.

Now my preference is to select the players with greater potential (Taylor, Pedlar, Dowling) but I was responding to a comment that it is inconceivable for Nicks to select Murphy over the other players.

The other change this season is an even greater reluctance to bring in someone and play them in a different position compared to their SANFL form (yes, I know Murphy is the exception). I believe that it is recognised that Zac Taylor is well down the pecking order as an inside midfielder, due to lack of fitness. He is playing as a high half forward in the Twos so he can move seamlessly into this role. Similar story with Pedlar. Nankervis and Dowling are likely to play on the wing in the AFL. Edwards, Bond and Ryan are back up medium/small defenders.

Once all of our Kids are selected in their / the coaches preferred positions then our SANFL use the experienced guys like Murphy and Smith plus the top ups to complete the team.

Once again, I am not endorsing what is happening but there is some logic to what they are doing. The previous system of playing say Dowling as an inside midfielder in the SANFL and then using him as a forward in the AFL didn’t work very well.

I don’t get it, you often disagree with selection and then spend a fair bit of time defending the coaches, throwing in board mocking.

The question why would you defend them, what have they done to earn your trust all these years?

 

[PeterSalt]

20.5K views and only 47 "likes"

27 comments with 25 of them questioning or openly mocking the selection of Murphy (and to a lesser degree Smith)

 

[Cleric]

Is that right? He’s played 6 SANFL games, averaging 24 possessions, averaging 5.5 tackles, kicked 5 goals. Now we all know SANFL form doesn’t necessarily translate to AFL but you cannot say he was playing stink average when he clearly wasn’t. I’m no Murphy fan but what you’ve said is wrong.

Let's be honest. Murphy has been in the team for long enough for us to know what he is capable of, and what his long term future is.
We have younger kids who are the future, like Draper, who should now be given the opportunity before him.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It’s incredibly brave of the Magpies to debut a Kid, at home, against the bottom team.

This week they are only playing NINE 30+ year old players.

The Crows, on the other hand, are playing an unprecedented THREE players 30 years plus.

This is against the Tiger Cubs filled with Kids. Oh yeah and SIX players 30+ years.

Yet you miss the point again, which unfortunately has become the norm for you as you have gone down the path of trying to inflate your ego.

The Pies regularly rotate players during the year as do the Cats as do the Hawks.... not just against bottom teams... though there is more opportunity to do so... like we could have this week, but unfortunately Nicks doesn't give a shit about developing depth, even against a bottom team.

Sad that I can't recall when you last posted something worthwhile without having a regular crack at other posters with very poor sarcasm.

 

[Ciao Giacomo]

I don’t get it, you often disagree with selection and then spend a fair bit of time defending the coaches, throwing in board mocking.

The question why would you defend them, what have they done to earn your trust all these years?

Unlike many others on this site, I can accept that the coaches have access to more information than me. They also use different criteria when making selections. My bias is more towards give the Kids a go and perhaps we might be pleasantly surprised. Our coaches seem to focus on what is most likely to improve our chances of winning.

I am frustrated by posters who take every opportunity to disparage the club and I simply provide data which contradicts their opinion. Calling for Laird to be dropped every week is illogical. Independent assessment indicate he has had a very good season as a small/medium defender. Like all players he has strengths and weaknesses but there is zero evidence that he should be dropped.

Most of the recent complaints are based on the selection of a below average experienced player (Murphy, Smith) instead of a below average less experienced player (Taylor, Dowling). This is not unique to the AFC. I haven’t updated my stats for a few weeks but we are competing for the number one spot for giving THE LEAST GAMES FOR 30+ YEAR OLD PLAYERS in the AFL.

It’s all a matter of perspective.

Finally a challenge for Kane and the usual suspects, can you make a post that disagrees with my opinions without feeling the need to attack me personally?

 

[Syd Crow]

Yet you miss the point again, which unfortunately has become the norm for you as you have gone down the path of trying to inflate your ego.

The Pies regularly rotate players during the year as do the Cats as do the Hawks.... not just against bottom teams... though there is more opportunity to do so... like we could have this week, but unfortunately Nicks doesn't give a shit about developing depth, even against a bottom team.

Sad that I can't recall when you last posted something worthwhile without having a regular crack at other posters with very poor sarcasm.

That's the thing, we should be continually exposing our young talent to develop depth, and assist in delisting decisions. But hey lets keep picking Murphy, an aged Smith etc. and let guys like Edwards rot in the SANFL no matter how well they perform. That's rewarding performance? The game doesn't know your age/experience right Nicks?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Unlike many others on this site, I can accept that the coaches have access to more information than me. They also use different criteria when making selections. My bias is more towards give the Kids a go and perhaps we might be pleasantly surprised. Our coaches seem to focus on what is most likely to improve our chances of winning.

I am frustrated by posters who take every opportunity to disparage the club and I simply provide data which contradicts their opinion. Calling for Laird to be dropped every week is illogical. Independent assessment indicate he has had a very good season as a small/medium defender. Like all players he has strengths and weaknesses but there is zero evidence that he should be dropped.

Most of the recent complaints are based on the selection of a below average experienced player (Murphy, Smith) instead of a below average less experienced player (Taylor, Dowling). This is not unique to the AFC. I haven’t updated my stats for a few weeks but we are competing for the number one spot for giving THE LEAST GAMES FOR 30+ YEAR OLD PLAYERS in the AFL.

It’s all a matter of perspective.

Finally a challenge for Kane and the usual suspects, can you make a post that disagrees with my opinions without feeling the need to attack me personally?

Ironic... I'm someone who usually only attacks when someone has a crack at me with personal attacks.

Otherwise I normally play the ball not the man.

Pull your head in with the personal stuff & i won't return fire.

 

[Pugsley]

Ciao Giacomo can tell you

He knew exactly when it happened while the rest of us rubes just complained he wasnt contributing

All hail DrWhoCiao

Dr when I see you post, I scroll past and say ciao.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Unlike many others on this site, I can accept that the coaches have access to more information than me. They also use different criteria when making selections. My bias is more towards give the Kids a go and perhaps we might be pleasantly surprised. Our coaches seem to focus on what is most likely to improve our chances of winning.

I am frustrated by posters who take every opportunity to disparage the club and I simply provide data which contradicts their opinion. Calling for Laird to be dropped every week is illogical. Independent assessment indicate he has had a very good season as a small/medium defender. Like all players he has strengths and weaknesses but there is zero evidence that he should be dropped.

Most of the recent complaints are based on the selection of a below average experienced player (Murphy, Smith) instead of a below average less experienced player (Taylor, Dowling). This is not unique to the AFC. I haven’t updated my stats for a few weeks but we are competing for the number one spot for giving THE LEAST GAMES FOR 30+ YEAR OLD PLAYERS in the AFL.

It’s all a matter of perspective.

Finally a challenge for Kane and the usual suspects, can you make a post that disagrees with my opinions without feeling the need to attack me personally?

On to the last part, why do you think you get “attacked”? Perhaps have a look at your posting style and the way you like to put the board down.

Even with all the information to coaches have, do you concede they’ve made numerous mistakes over the years? I’m sure you can, if so why give them any benefit of the doubt?

As for player an average senior player over a junior? Clearly we know what the senior player brings, whereas we hope with an opportunity and development the junior goes past them.

As for Dowling v Murphy, surely you can see Dowling offers more?

 

[Syd Crow]

If a guy who's played 117 games, only slightly plays better (based on selected stats) than guys who respectively have played 16 and 9 and are no where near their peak, you really do have to question why the hell you keep picking him.

 

[GreyCrow]

If a guy who's played 117 games, only slightly plays better (based on selected stats) than guys who respectively have played 16 and 9 and are no where near their peak, you really do have to question why the hell you keep picking him.

Or why you try and compare them as apples to apples

 

[FR0GGY]

Or why you try and compare them as apples to apples

Pink lady vs Granny Smith

 

[Smart Fella]

Unlike many others on this site, I can accept that the coaches have access to more information than me. They also use different criteria when making selections. My bias is more towards give the Kids a go and perhaps we might be pleasantly surprised. Our coaches seem to focus on what is most likely to improve our chances of winning.

I am frustrated by posters who take every opportunity to disparage the club and I simply provide data which contradicts their opinion. Calling for Laird to be dropped every week is illogical. Independent assessment indicate he has had a very good season as a small/medium defender. Like all players he has strengths and weaknesses but there is zero evidence that he should be dropped.

Most of the recent complaints are based on the selection of a below average experienced player (Murphy, Smith) instead of a below average less experienced player (Taylor, Dowling). This is not unique to the AFC. I haven’t updated my stats for a few weeks but we are competing for the number one spot for giving THE LEAST GAMES FOR 30+ YEAR OLD PLAYERS in the AFL.

It’s all a matter of perspective.

Finally a challenge for Kane and the usual suspects, can you make a post that disagrees with my opinions without feeling the need to attack me personally?

Laird is not having a very good season. Other teams don't worry about him. The Crows managed to win a game by 90 points without him. What does he bring that's so important?

As for evidence, him getting smothered by Dangerfield and throwing the ball against the Power were atrocious. But others are in line to be out the team before him, I'll admit that.

 

[Bearded Clam]

He was never going out after the backlash to his inclusion either, for the same reason. They wouldn't want to be seen as bowing to that pressure so screw you he stays for another week.

This is the scariest part about it all..

These morons know that if they dropped Murphy for this game, after the backlash from the supporter base, they’d be an absolute laughing stock.

So, to keep their precious little ego’s intact, they picked him for a second game even though he dished up his usual garbage against the Hawks and it probably resulted in the loss.

They would rather protect their ego’s.. just let that sink in.

 

[maxlilly]

Pink lady vs Granny Smith

Is that Brodie's nickname ?