Review R23: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly vs. Collingwood

[FR0GGY]

And this is why I can’t be confident of winning a flag with our coaching group. 3 games against top end teams with coaching groups bringing a plan specifically tailored to beating us. We’ll neither have our own plan nor adjust to counter that of our opponents. Winning 3 in a row is beyond us with our core philosophies.

The izak thing makes it tough but we have overcome it twice (sure at home but that's where the first two finals will be) against serious opposition.

 

[1970crow]

The izak thing makes it tough but we have overcome it twice (sure at home but that's where the first two finals will be) against serious opposition.

Just looking at changes v Pies. They’ll have Howe and Hill in and we’ll have Laird in and Rankine out. Based on Saturday’s game, they should start favourites.

 

[Cromulant]

Just looking at changes v Pies. They’ll have Howe and Hill in and we’ll have Laird in and Rankine out. Based on Saturday’s game, they should start favourites.

They MIGHT have Hill back in.

 

[FR0GGY]

Just looking at changes v Pies. They’ll have Howe and Hill in and we’ll have Laird in and Rankine out. Based on Saturday’s game, they should start favourites.

If the weather is dry ill back us, we may have max back by then.

 

[Cromulant]

If the weather is dry ill back us, we may have max back by then.

We will.

 

[DJ75]

I've basked in the glow of the victory for long enough - on to the concerns.

The game exposed a few issues that we need to get better at (and address) before finals:

1. Thilthorpe brain fades. Take a big mark, look inboard and turn it over. Happens far too often. Gave away the 50 at end of first quarter by knocking the ball out of the players hand after a mark. Kicking the ball away on the boundary line. All are easily overcome. Needs to be addressed.
2. Keane throws. Yes it's pathetic that the Vic media are suddenly highlighting our 'throws' and ignoring everyone elses (especially after the Milera umpiring error and that Cripps won a Brownlow despite never completing a legal handball in his entire career), but Keane constantly throws. Must be taught how to punch the ball. You can't open hand slap it. Will cost us at a crucial moment.
3. Berry needs to learn how to handball. An inside mid can't be that bad at handballing. The amount of times it is behind the person running, or more often towards his feet is insane. Needs to handball to a target, not just slap it in their vicinity.
4. ROB ruck positioning. ALWAYS stands way to far back on throw ins. Not a great plan when the opposition ruck is faster. Consistently being on the wrong side of the ruckman. He gave away multiple frees after starting on one side, letting Cameron move across in front of him, then grabbing Cameron to turn him as he tried to reach around the other side. Dumb.
   Also would do this in our D50, resulting in Cameron tapping the ball on the offensive side of the contest. Unbelievably dumb.

 

[George CantStandYa]

Playing the man again?

Prior to Saturday night Josh Daicos was number ONE for Collingwood for uncontested possessions.
Saturday night he was equal 11th/12th for uncontested possessions.

Prior to Saturday night Josh Daicos was THIRD for Collingwood for inside 50s.
Saturday night only Parker, Mihocek. Moore and Allan had less inside 50s (i.e. none)

Do you seriously expect everyone to believe this was a coincidence?

What Murphy did was not rocket science. His aim was to stop Collingwood feeding the ball out to a free Jaicos so he could rebound the ball from the D50. If you watch Collingwood a bit, a key part of their game plan is to have Naicos, Jaicos and Pendlebury deliver the ball to their forwards. We stopped Jaicos on Saturday night which was a win for our coaches.

Bit hypocritical don’t you think considering what you posted about me? And you did it when I couldn’t respond, that’s pissweak.

And yet, despite all of that, he had 8 rebound 50s with disposal efficiency in the 80s, both above his average. It’s ironic that the measure you are using for Murphy’s success is “stop his rebound from D50” and had more D50 rebounds than his season average and more than he has for the last 6 weeks that I looked back on

Are you ignoring the fact we had very low inside 50s, they had a ridiculous amount of inside 50s meaning the ball was up the other end? If not, look at the fact of the possession count from both defences.

Next time try better.

 

[Coopers]

1. ROB ruck positioning. ALWAYS stands way to far back on throw ins. Not a great plan when the opposition ruck is faster. Consistently being on the wrong side of the ruckman. He gave away multiple frees after starting on one side, letting Cameron move across in front of him, then grabbing Cameron to turn him as he tried to reach around the other side. Dumb.
   Also would do this in our D50, resulting in Cameron tapping the ball on the offensive side of the contest. Unbelievably dumb.

To be fair to ROB, just being near Cameron was a free kick though

 

[Coopers]

Am I reading it right that Smith got a fine for Daicos' oscar performance?


You've got to be kidding right?


Absolute embarrassment

 

[GameofSloanes]

Buckley putting it fair square on Collingwood.

I'd take his word over Gerard

 

[FR0GGY]

I'd take his word over Gerard

Absolutely, also backed in thilthorpes "kicking it up to the umpire" when gerard was going on about it should have been a free.

 

[CrowBloke]

Honestly if it turns out to be true and it derails our season, I don't know how he builds that trust back with supporters - this would be such a betrayal to the club and and it's supporters for a few moments of insanity.

For all his skills and freakish moments, Rankine shows signs of needing to grow up, a little.
Didn't we all, at 25?
I don't wanna say too much (odd, for me, ha!) because we don't know much about it, but I don't see it as a "betrayal to the Club".
I don't feel betrayed, either; just a feeling of jeez-I-hope-not.

If true, it's a moment of reckless thoughtlessness with potentially drastic consequences for Rankine and our Finals' chances.

We've been waiting 30 years.

That's not Rankine's fault and I wouldn't want to weigh down any player with the record of our Finals failures or how long we've "waited".
Has any more info come out yet, do you know? Anybody?

 

[PeterSalt]

lol .. seems about right

 

[GreyCrow]

lol .. seems about right

He went down quicker than Kennedy

 

[TheLeftFist8]

If they play at AO in finals it will be potentially the most vicious crowd experience we’ve ever had, Showdowns included.

 

[GameofSloanes]

Absolutely, also backed in thilthorpes "kicking it up to the umpire" when gerard was going on about it should have been a free.

There was another umpire about 10m further on directly behind the closest one. Maybe TT only saw that one? Would be a weird thing to do otherwise

 

[FR0GGY]

There was another umpire about 10m further on directly behind the closest one. Maybe TT only saw that one? Would be a weird thing to do otherwise

I think he was going definitely trying for the close umpire.
Pretty sure bucks said the umpire mic picked up that that’s what the umpires recognized as well.

 

[GameofSloanes]

I think he was going definitely trying for the close umpire.
Pretty sure bucks said the umpire mic picked up that that’s what the umpires recognized as well.

If thats the case then thats actually decent umpiring. Very unlike them to recognise what a player was trying to do

 

[ams4crows]

Half the stadium will get kicked out if we play Collingwood again in a Qualifying final.

 

[Cromulant]

Half the stadium will get kicked out if we play Collingwood again in a Qualifying final.

The atmosphere will be genuinely nasty.

 

[moogerfooger]

Really feels like winning this match has upset the footy gods, or at least the black and white ones.

All the focus has been on 1) Thilthorpe's toe poke, 2) the two throws, 3) alleged umpiring bias, then 4) the totally unbiased former Collingwood player and current MRO fines Rankine for staging, fines Brodie Smith

33

Brodie Smith

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.5

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.2

4star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

500.1

5star

D

17.1

4star

K

12.6

5star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

3star

T

2.3

3star

MG

438.9

5star

D

17.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.6

5star

for prohibited contact but looks the other way at Daicos staging and prohibited contact.

And now the Rankine debacle.

WTF

 

[TheLeftFist8]

The atmosphere will be genuinely nasty.

100%. The cathartic release of anger and frustration will be directed towards all of Collingwood with specific individuals targeted even more. They will have to overcome the worst day of their sporting lives to win a final here.

 

[ams4crows]

The atmosphere will be genuinely nasty.

If you could bet on a crowd member calling Moore a Snitch it would be paying $1.01 ...... to be fair knowing some of our fans he'll probably cop a lot worse than that.

 

[mick500]

Supposedly being reported that Rankine self reported and rang the Collingwood player and apologised.

 

[GreyCrow]

100%. The cathartic release of anger and frustration will be directed towards all of Collingwood with specific individuals targeted even more. They will have to overcome the worst day of their sporting lives to win a final here.

Geelong 2017?

Not nasty but the most I have heard us be up and about as a crowd to bring pressure on the opposition