Racism, I need educating

[Cooldude]

What about Charles Darwin? would you call "origin of the species' racist , bullying or both?

What's the point here? Sure, the natural impulse of human beings to subjugate others for their own perceived superiority might be classed as a part of natural selection/evolution, but modern society has also developed to such a stage that such behaviours are now considered unacceptable, particularly racism, so not sure how this really has to do with anything Darwin said

Besides, racism is just based on essentially the same specie with not many real differences other than skin color where one of them decides to view another as inferior purely based on that factor, in dog terms it would be like white chihuahuas discriminating against black chihuahuas, even dogs themselves don't do that

 

[little graham]

What's the point here? Sure, the natural impulse of human beings to subjugate others for their own perceived superiority might be classed as a part of natural selection/evolution, but modern society has also developed to such a stage that such behaviours are now considered unacceptable, particularly racism, so not sure how this really has to do with anything Darwin said

Besides, racism is just based on essentially the same specie with not many real differences other than skin color where one of them decides to view another as inferior purely based on that factor, in dog terms it would be like white chihuahuas discriminating against black chihuahuas, even dogs themselves don't do that

I would suggest one reads the section where Darwin classes the civilizations here prior to British invasion, as one rung above the animal kingdom.Yet they knew more about our solar system than any British scientist did at that time. They had been hunting whales and using the fat to treat arthritis for thousands of years before England even existed. What he wrote, was used by right wing English politicians to stop any human rights investigations into the genocide here. It allowed England to campaign against slavery, slavery was the chief labor source of the former colonies in North America,who they had just lost a costly war too.

Was Darwin bullying or was he just plain racist?

 

[Cooldude]

I would suggest one reads the section where Darwin classes the civilizations here prior to British invasion, as one rung above the animal kingdom.Yet they knew more about our solar system than any British scientist did at that time. They had been hunting whales and using the fat to treat arthritis for thousands of years before England even existed. What he wrote, was used by right wing English politicians to stop any human rights investigations into the genocide here. It allowed England to campaign against slavery, slavery was the chief labor source of the former colonies in North America,who they had just lost a costly war too.

Was Darwin bullying or was he just plain racist?

Hard to say, Darwin came from a family of abolitionists, he was absolutely appalled by slavery and the poor treatment of slaves, he spoke pretty strongly against it. Some of the quotes he had about the slavers when he witnessed themm torturing slaves were pretty strongly negative, basically calling them people “who has debased his Nature & violates every best instinctive feeling by making slave of his fellow black.” “It makes one’s blood boil… to think that we Englishmen and our American descendants, with their boastful cry of liberty, have been and are so guilty.”

But if you read his works in the origin of species he basically states the white race is evolutionarily more advanced than the black race, did sorta justify colonial genocide, and kinda paved the way for nice blokes like Dalton and their eugenics stuff

I thought Darwin from his own personal extracts sounded like a pretty decent man, although he clearly separated his feelings from his observation and research though, his views basically gave the nod to some form of racism and bullying but I wouldn't say he personally was one unless someone has evidence I don't know of. His work gave power to a lot of bullies and racists though

If the question is whether Darwin distinguished between racism and bullying, I would've thought his works basically justified bullying, and that those whom he thought was the superior race were reasonable to beat down on other races they thought are inferior. So his works was for bullying first and foremost before race

 

[little graham]

I thought Darwin from his own personal extracts sounded like a pretty decent man, although he clearly separated his feelings from his observation and research though, his views basically gave the nod to some form of racism and bullying but I wouldn't say he personally was one unless someone has evidence I don't know of. His work gave power to a lot of bullies and racists though

He has to remain accountable for what he wrote, he knew a lot better than to write that crap about the cultures here. He was used in parliament as the independent expert to verify the claim of Terra Nullis. He knew, as did his parliament , better than that. They had been collating science on earth based civilizations for centuries. It was bullying. If he wasn't racist, I can't see how he would of come to do such a thing.


But who could blame him, he sailed around the whole world, unlike anyone else, pretending to do his thing, what a life! He was doing good for king and country. His country was quite poor, reeling from various wars. He helped them stitch up their economy. One could just not say no to being told what to write in one or two passages for the opportunity he was given.




Is it smart governance to hire the scientists who will tell you what you need to here?
Or is smart science to tell a gov what it needs to hear?

 

[Cooldude]

Pragmatic if not nefarious governance, they'd use scientists or religious scriptures to justify whatever their selfish agendas are, anything goes. That's politics

I don't know whether any political influence dictated what Darwin wrote or not, but if so then it's extremely dishonest for an academian, but Darwin would probably get away with it more since his theories, at least the non-racial crazy political and radical elements, have by and large been endorsed by modern science and is its backbone

 

[ManInTheArena]

Who cares what Darwin wrote about racism? He wasn't and never claimed to be the fountain of all knowledge. He may have held assumptions about black people and would have been classed as a racist in today's society, or he may have been misrepresented; it doesn't matter and it's irrelevant.

 

[ManInTheArena]

I pose you this question; if you were born 150 years ago, would you have been racist?

 

[Moo]

I pose you this question; if you were born 150 years ago, would you have been racist?

No I'd be dead.

 

[ManInTheArena]

No I'd be dead.

It was almost a clever response except you missed the past tense.

 

[Moo]

It was almost a clever response except you missed the past tense.

But I died in 1929

 

[Aed0s]

Personally I went to a very multicultural primary/secondary school where white students were a large minority.

We had Asians, Indians, Arab Muslims, Polynesians, recent Sudanese immigrants, Italians, Polish, etc... you name it and despite our differences we all got on (most of the time).

I come from an immigrant family myself and I hardly got on with the white Anglo-Saxons bar a few. In the end students from similar or the same racial groups are going to cluster with their own kind; Asians hang out with the Asians, Indians with the Indians, Arabs with the Arabs, Sudanese with the sudanese, Euros with the Euros, etc... There's going to be some overlapping but that's the general rule.

There were times when tensions flared up and someone would bring a machete to school or a fight would break out in the middle of recess or lunch. The Asians will back their Asian friends, the Polynesians back their Polynesian friends, etc... People tend to say that Australia is one of the most tolerant nations in the world but our school systems are still very much racialised to a degree but still very much peaceful and non-violent. Discrimination occurs however verbal profanities is flung at all sides.

People are going to experience bullying regardless of race, social class, intelligence, interests, etc... For example, one of the 'cool' 'sporty' kids will say to a more nerdy schoolmate, "so you play (insert computer game here)? Are you (insert swear word here)? Hahaha". There's going to be bullying because there's a culture of bullying which is found in popular culture and everywhere to be honest. There's even bullying in the workplace. There are people who just don't mature from that 13-14 year old school yard mentality, both men and women.

There are times that you have to be careful of what you say because it may be taken out of context, misconstrued or misinterpreted for something racist or discriminatory. There are people who are hyper-sensitive and others who care less or brush it off as it doesn't offend them. I remember being called a few names, being taunted and I'd respond with a few nasty insults in retaliation. And if worse came to worse then we'd get into a physical altercation, that's just the nature of growing up. People are going to start fights for whatever reason; because they don't like your attitude or if you look like an easy target or if they want to impress their friends...

 

[Power Raid]

I went to an exclusive private school, courtesy of a scholarship. I was spat on for being from a "povo" family. I was told by a teacher that I would be more suited to a western suburbs school. There were no shortage of comments about my wealth or lack thereof, and its apparent relevance to my worth as a person.

The bullying may not have been as physical as one would find at a less-exclusive school, but it was no less vicious or ill-intentioned.

I had a similar experience and but the comment wasn't as harsh. Rather a mate, from a rich family, asked why I wore the same track suit to sport each week.

It wasn't until then I noticed everyone else wore different tack suits and sports shoes each week. I then realised it was obvious who the haves and have nots were.

That said, no one was horrible about it.

 

[Partridge]

What about Charles Darwin? would you call "origin of the species' racist , bullying or both?

That's easy. It's neither.

 

[Partridge]

I pose you this question; if you were born 150 years ago, would you have been racist?

Almost certainly. Most of us would have been. Thankfully we've made some advances in that time, chief among them the knowledge that "race" simply doesn't exist.

 

[ManInTheArena]

Almost certainly. Most of us would have been. Thankfully we've made some advances in that time, chief among them the knowledge that "race" simply doesn't exist.

We have made significant advances. The thing is criticising a man for being racist 150 years ago is moot considering most of us would have been racist if we we lived in that era. That's even if Darwin was racist.

 

[Partridge]

We have made significant advances. The thing is criticising a man for being racist 150 years ago is moot considering most of us would have been racist if we we lived in that era. That's even if Darwin was racist.

Considering he nearly got thrown off HMS Beagle for arguing with the Captain about his remarks towards the natives, I'd argue for his time he was positively enlightened.

 

[little graham]

 

[little graham]

. That's even if Darwin was racist.

Darwin was a white supremacist and hired by British businessman to stop legal action in Brittan over the enslavement and genocide of aboriginals and the theft of their resources. Unless you're ignorant, only racist people deny this.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

You are only racist if you are white, everyone knows that.

Don't you guys claim its other groups who always whinge about oppression?

Politics aside, you're a bunch of sooks.

 

[frenchfri12]

Don't make comments that could in any way be construed as racist, and you'll never have a problem. It really is as simple as that.

Translation:
- Don't mention any races except white
- Don't say anything that goes against leftist beliefs

 

[Damon_3388]

Translation:
- Don't mention any races except white
- Don't say anything that goes against leftist beliefs

No, that's not what I meant.

 

[Big Dix]

What are your thoughts on Muhammad Ali's views on race-mixing between blacks and whites? And, would your opinion differ if it was a white male who made Ali's comments?

 

[The Edukator]

What are your thoughts on Muhammad Ali's views on race-mixing between blacks and whites? And, would your opinion differ if it was a white male who made Ali's comments?

Hey mate.. check your privilege first yeah?

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

I would suggest one reads the section where Darwin classes the civilizations here prior to British invasion, as one rung above the animal kingdom.Yet they knew more about our solar system than any British scientist did at that time. They had been hunting whales and using the fat to treat arthritis for thousands of years before England even existed.

Any evidence to back up the claim about hunting whales?

No Indigenous Australians are known to have hunted whales before European settlement
http://www.australia.gov.au/about-australia/australian-story/australias-whaling-industry-and-whales

 

[Eastern Rangers]

I find how people view Obama as rather informative in regards to the nature of their identity politics. It dims the accuracy of their perceptions of his politics and his presidency more generally. Mostly because he's so far from that what they accuse him of, that the mud doesn't stick. It merely exposes their prejudices.

It's not supremacy at all, it's mere abasement.