Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

[Gasometer]

I remember thinking that driving out the calder in the early 90s. As we drove past the turn off to New Gisborne.

Diggers Rest was quoted as new affordable Housing on TV last week

 

[ferball]

You should see what happening there. Its going up like crazy. Every time I come down here there's more development in Digger's Rest. And all over Sunbury. It was like a retirement village, now there's young families everywhere. And huge developments run by construction companies with names like Lansky and Nostra. (Its a far cry from last century when it was psycho city.) When I was a kid Diggers Rest was a pub and a train station nearly half way to Bendigo. Now its doubled in size every time you look at it.

 

[Sopwiths North]

Our kids and grand kids will hate us. With good reason.

If we keep going the way we are there won't be any kids or grandkids because there won't be a habitable planet for them to exist upon. It sounds harsh, I know, but I see people having kids nowadays and I wonder how they can make the decision to bring them into a world so precarious when it comes to the future of survivable life on earth. Not to mention that there's already way too many of us here anyway, but I wonder do people just not think about it, or do they truly believe that somehow we're all magically going to be okay 20, 30, 40 years from now? I'd be freaking out if I had a kid right now.

That being said, I also place tremendous faith and weight in the ability of our future generation (the kids of right now) to turn the ship around. They're our only hope, because the current generation of corporate power that profits so tremendously from the fossil fuel industry remaining status quo certainly show no sign of giving that control and wealth up.

This clip (yes, yet another one from my personal hero, filmmaker and environmentalist Rob Stewart, rest his soul) is from around 2012, when our Canadian Govt. was under the power of Conservative PM Stephen Harper, but the part about the tar sands is still very relevant. I used to have faith that Justin Trudeau would be as progressive on climate change as he has been on some other issues, but he recently used tax payer dollars to purchase a pipe line that many have fought to stop from being built. In fact, fought so well that Enbridge dropped it. Now we have to fight our own country's leader, such is his bizarre bent on pandering to our nation's wealthiest province, Alberta. I am so disappointed in him.

What you see about Canada's tar sands in this video is still very much alive and going, and I am ashamed of my country because of it. There is no excuse for us to keep allowing this, but it will keep going, because it seems our PM can also be bought.

So, back to the kids, and our future - I hope they all turn out like the kid in this video (forget where he is time-wise in this, but he's great.)

And, as an aside about our bloody pipelines - one of the biggest, if not the biggest challengers to them has been our Indigenous peoples. Without their constant and tireless efforts to keep them from being built, we would have caved long ago. So all power and thanks to them. It's their land that the tar sands are directly affecting too. It's been devastating and in many cases deadly to them. We need to come out of the dark ages here, before it's too late.

 

[ferball]

Those Mobs in Canada are good value. An Australian aboriginal friend of mine was in Oka 29 years or so ago. He said it was amazing how organised and committed they were..

 

[ferball]

If we keep going the way we are there won't be any kids or grandkids because there won't be a habitable planet for them to exist upon. It sounds harsh, I know, but I see people having kids nowadays and I wonder how they can make the decision to bring them into a world so precarious when it comes to the future of survivable life on earth. Not to mention that there's already way too many of us here anyway, but I wonder do people just not think about it, or do they truly believe that somehow we're all magically going to be okay 20, 30, 40 years from now? I'd be freaking out if I had a kid right now.

That being said, I also place tremendous faith and weight in the ability of our future generation (the kids of right now) to turn the ship around. They're our only hope, because the current generation of corporate power that profits so tremendously from the fossil fuel industry remaining status quo certainly show no sign of giving that control and wealth up.

I'll be 50 this year and my kids will be 2, 3 and 8. It was a choice. I had to have kids, just to be part of the ongoing story of life here. Just to have some skin in the game. I'm facing real issues about teaching them how to live and what to do in the future at the moment. I suspect i'll be raising my kids to be what lots of people will consider terrorists. They'll be learning about Henry Okah soon enough. Its not something I like the idea of but its coming to a point where there will be lines drawn on the ground and we'll have to pick a side.

Its not gonna be as quick as 40 years, at least where I'll be living but by the time my kids are adults things will be ****ed. They'll see the reef die, iconic mega fauna disappear across the planet, the oceans full of jellyfish but not fish anymore and maybe live long enough to die of catastrophic failure of the biosphere.

 

[Sopwiths North]

Those Mobs in Canada are good value. An Australian aboriginal friend of mine was in Oka 29 years or so ago. He said it was amazing how organised and committed they were..

Yep. I don't think we've seen anything quite like it here since. It's probably as close as we've come to Wounded Knee type stuff with respect to the intensity of confrontation. But I like to think it grabbed enough attention to force the federal government to pry loose the rusted hinges of long buried coffins with respect to Indigenous land rights.

Part of why our First Nations have been able to hold pipeline expansions at bay for as long as they have is that they hold sway now with land rights. It's beautiful, and I love it. I have so much admiration and gratitude for them. And it's not just here, it's places like Standing Rock too. And it's inspirational to see how so many Nations from all across Canada and the United States support each other, and travel great distances to be at protest camps and demonstrations wherever they are needed. The people are connected, fighting, much in the way of the Ghost Dance prophecies. I know a woman who spent a month at Standing Rock, and she said it truly felt like things coming full circle.

 

[Sopwiths North]

I'll be 50 this year and my kids will be 2, 3 and 8. It was a choice. I had to have kids, just to be part of the ongoing story of life here. Just to have some skin in the game. I'm facing real issues about teaching them how to live and what to do in the future at the moment. I suspect i'll be raising my kids to be what lots of people will consider terrorists. They'll be learning about Henry Okah soon enough. Its not something I like the idea of but its coming to a point where there will be lines drawn on the ground and we'll have to pick a side.

Its not gonna be as quick as 40 years, at least where I'll be living but by the time my kids are adults things will be ******. They'll see the reef die, iconic mega fauna disappear across the planet, the oceans full of jellyfish but not fish anymore and maybe live long enough to die of catastrophic failure of the biosphere.

I hope not ferbs. But I think it will be as quick as 40 years. Probably quicker the rate we're going. (I know, I know, ray o'sunshine, that's me!)

Teach them how to grow food. I think that's what we're gonna need most.

 

[ferball]

It hasn't been below 30 in western nsw since sometime in December and much of that time its been over 35 or even 40. (Degrees C, that's over 95-105 F) As I'm typing this there are reports of the second major fish kill in the Murray-Darling system in a couple of weeks due to the river failing. That's not real good. A few summers like that in a row and much of Western NSW will be potentially uninhabitable over summer and unable to produce food. Especially if there is no water cos the river systems are cactus.

Don't worry, my kids will know how to grow food, as well as how to identify bush food/forage and stalk and hunt animals. Its not easy tho. pretend make up and toy dolls are a big part of their lives as well.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Humanity will adapt as it has always done in response to major climate change. Most problems are food related rather than focusing on fossil fuels.

For (an anecdotal) example: https://www.theatlantic.com/science...imate-change-suggests-major-new-study/562289/

https://www.drawdown.org/solutions-summary-by-rank

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I'm sure as shit, thousands of years ago, there would have been periods where it got pretty ****ing hot. And cold.

 

[SMaturin]

Be informed but be not cowed.

https://singularityhub.com/2017/12/11/why-intelligent-optimism-is-crucial-to-human-progress/


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[ferball]

Humanity will adapt as it has always done in response to major climate change. Most problems are food related rather than focusing on fossil fuels.

For (an anecdotal) example: https://www.theatlantic.com/science...imate-change-suggests-major-new-study/562289/

https://www.drawdown.org/solutions-summary-by-rank

Look I've thought that for decades. We can solve these problems with current and future technology. In a perfect or at least benign environment for it. But the way things are set up makes it difficult to implement them. Much of what we've seen this century and in the 90s has been the fossil fuel industry creating political strife out of the issue to protect their profits. Which makes it even harder to implement those solutions.

But stories like the one in the Atlantic are more likely to be bullshit.

Its not that simple either.

We've deforested heaps of the planet. That means lots of sunlight that was turned into sugar by plants now gets turned into IR heat by physics.

The economy itself creates global warming. All economies are proportional representations of the energy available to them and all energy use creates waste heat. The bigger the worlds economy, the more work (in physics terms) being done. And the more waste heat created. The earth does dump heat into space relatively linearly but the system breaks down at a bit under double the current average surface temp.

There are physicists who've done the maths on this, at a very simple level obviously, and i think without anthropogenic global warming due to greenhouse gases, if the world's economy grows at current rates for about 300 years that tipping point will be reached and the planets surface will boil (ie reach 100 deg C) within a very short period of time. Days maybe. Obviously that 300 yr figure is flawed, the person who did those calculations said as much.

Its a crazy idea. But the principle is sound. Its just the actual size of the economy needed to generate that tipping point that is difficult to calculate.

The Classical Mayan civilisation was destroyed by its failure to adapt to climate change and its own anthropogenic climate destruction. Mayan people are still around today. They adapted by abandoning their massive cities and way of life at the time.

 

[The Other Dean]

Spose that’s what you get when the majority of voters are teenagers.

This.

JJJ's Hottest 100 has never been, and most likely never will be, a barometer of the state and relative health of current music.

I would respectfully suggest that anyone thinking that contemporary music is crap needs to broaden their knowledge base a little. Perhaps start by checking back in with the current rosters of some of the established labels that have been churning out quality music for a long time now. (Merge, Matador, 4AD, Rough Trade, Play It Again Sam, Bella Union or our own fantastic homegrown label, Spunk....to name but a few. Some of the relatively newer local labels like Two Bright Lakes, I Oh You, Rice Is Nice, etc, go alright, too.)

New release slots on RRR and PBS are still consistently entertaining and informative.

Plenty of good music around. But not a whole lot of it ends up on JJJ.

 

[The Other Dean]

Anywho....entertaining discussion on climate change.

Wondering what the board's resident SME on global warming - Kimbo - makes of it.

 

[Val Keating]

This man is the troll goat

 

[Sopwiths North]

The economy itself creates global warming. All economies are proportional representations of the energy available to them and all energy use creates waste heat. The bigger the worlds economy, the more work (in physics terms) being done. And the more waste heat created. The earth does dump heat into space relatively linearly but the system breaks down at a bit under double the current average surface temp.

There are physicists who've done the maths on this, at a very simple level obviously, and i think without anthropogenic global warming due to greenhouse gases, if the world's economy grows at current rates for about 300 years that tipping point will be reached and the planets surface will boil (ie reach 100 deg C) within a very short period of time. Days maybe. Obviously that 300 yr figure is flawed, the person who did those calculations said as much.

Its a crazy idea. But the principle is sound. Its just the actual size of the economy needed to generate that tipping point that is difficult to calculate.

The Classical Mayan civilisation was destroyed by its failure to adapt to climate change and its own anthropogenic climate destruction. Mayan people are still around today. They adapted by abandoning their massive cities and way of life at the time.

World leaders pushing economic expansion above all else makes me crazy. It's just a clear indication that we as a species still don't get it. Expand it into what? Where? They speak about it like the planet has some infinite sustainability for human growth and consumption.

I saw Rex Weyler, one of the founding members of Greenpeace, speak here in Vancouver just over a decade ago, and he called it back then. He said what we need to be doing is shrinking the economy, not expanding it, if we are to survive as a species into the next century.

 

[andana]

This.

JJJ's Hottest 100 has never been, and most likely never will be, a barometer of the state and relative health of current music.

I would respectfully suggest that anyone thinking that contemporary music is crap needs to broaden their knowledge base a little. Perhaps start by checking back in with the current rosters of some of the established labels that have been churning out quality music for a long time now. (Merge, Matador, 4AD, Rough Trade, Play It Again Sam, Bella Union or our own fantastic homegrown label, Spunk....to name but a few. Some of the relatively newer local labels like Two Bright Lakes, I Oh You, Rice Is Nice, etc, go alright, too.)

New release slots on RRR and PBS are still consistently entertaining and informative.

Plenty of good music around. But not a whole lot of it ends up on JJJ.

#1 Ocean Alley song borrowed from Dexter Wansell
#2 sounds like that Kylie song

 

[Groin guru]

The answer is obvious...we must turn half of the world's population into food. We've been fattening up the Earth's population for decades for this very reason. Police will start carrying scales and if your BMI is over 26 you're food. That '1' is a warning. You get a mark against you name. If you don't lose that extra few kilograms...you're food. Disagree? Well too bad. Think about all that extra CO2 we've been emitting because obese people have been causing modes of travel to burn up more fuel. We would use 50% less petrol if our flights had zero fatties. That's a fact. It won't be a quick death either - The really fat one's will be used to pedal on bikes to power the mincing stations. Human mincing stations.

I'm not even joking here. 'Fat shaming' will be a thing of the past. It'll be 'fat haming' in the future. "eh Groin...it's me...your friend from BigFooty...I'm a North member...you wouldn't eat me would you?....ARGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

You think that's evil? We'll we've treated animals worse for decades now.

Humanity will adapt as it has always done in response to major climate change. Most problems are food related rather than focusing on fossil fuels.

For (an anecdotal) example: https://www.theatlantic.com/science...imate-change-suggests-major-new-study/562289/

https://www.drawdown.org/solutions-summary-by-rank

Correct. While there needs to be a focus we will adapt and overcome. People also need to be mindful of those pushing agendas for money and notoriety. People may laugh but I 'Kangatech organic' is flying off the shelves. Instead of running off of fossil fuels it's powered by solar panels. I slapped a 'recycle' bumper sticker on the side of it and I was given a 30 million dollar grant by Green Peace. Turns out those bastards have more money than they know what to do with.

Hook line and sinker. Thanks for the tax money you gullible sods - sincerely the government and the globalists.

 

[Val Keating]

Anyone else having issues with YouTube clips posted not playing?

 

[Firestarter]

Not the right place but let's test...

I'm having no problem.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Firestarter]

Somehow the idea just terrifies me.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Thank you TOD!

Marley, by his own admission, has transformed into a whole new person and changed for the better due in good part to his time at North. How quickly some on here are to cast judgement on one of our own is disappointing, and a bit shocking really. To cast doubt on his integrity as a person shows a lack of faith in what our club has accomplished with respect to giving players a solid grounding to build from, both on field and off. Marley's still a good soul. An even better one, in my opinion, for standing up for a friend.

It doesn't take the intervention of a football club to know that sticking up for your mates is right.

The NMFC is no holier than thou social conditioning unit, it's a football club.................or at least it used to be.

 

[Snake_Baker]

It's tourist season after all

 

[Val Keating]

It's tourist season after all

Tourists should be told when they get here “Pretty everything can kill you, have a nice stay”