Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

[The Other Dean]

So I’ve seen a bit of chatter around in the last year about a bloke I’d never heard of, Jordan Peterson. People have been speaking about this bloke like he’s evil, so of course I had to watch some videos of his interviews & lectures to see what the fuss is about. Nothing really stood out to me as offensive. Can someone please point me to his interview/lecture/essay/lecture where he exposed himself for the demon he’s being portrayed as? I got it with that Milo bloke, but just not this fella, admittedly I’m late to the party so I didn’t pay him much mind till the last couple of days.

That is to say.....Dr. Peterson - and the people that love/hate/don't give a **** either way about him - have already been discussed at considerable length in the Gender Equality thread. (Head back to about page 45 and go from there.)

 

[Val Keating]

That is to say.....Dr. Peterson - and the people that love/hate/don't give a **** either way about him - have already been discussed at considerable length in the Gender Equality thread. (Head back to about page 45 and go from there.)

Yeah I’m not going down the rabbit hole I’m sure that thread is. Meh I’ll probably forget all about him by tomorrow

 

[Val Keating]

For anyone who’s across this sort of thing, could the president of the United States call a state of emergency to address gun control?

 

[Gasometer]

For anyone who’s across this sort of thing, could the president of the United States call a state of emergency to address gun control?

...and there's the problem for the Republicans. If the Supreme Court decides that the Border Wall is a national emergency, what happens if a Democratic President decides after a massacre due to a semi automatic to ban all semi automatics?

Does the Emergency over ride the Amendment to carry arms?

Interesting times for the Supreme Court coming up on this slippery slope

 

[Val Keating]

...and there's the problem for the Republicans. If the Supreme Court decides that the Border Wall is a national emergency, what happens if a Democratic President decides after a massacre due to a semi automatic to ban all semi automatics?

Does the Emergency over ride the Amendment to carry arms?

Interesting times for the Supreme Court coming up on this slippery slope

Surely even the republicans are sick of people randomly killing people with assault rifles.

They can’t honestly believe building a wall that won’t stop illegal immigration will save more lives then gun control.

I hope you’re right and a president in the future will use the precedent set by Donald Dump to enforce strict gun control.

 

[Val Keating]

FWIW an amendment is when you change a piece of legislation in the constitution. It’s not like they haven’t changed it before

 

[Firestarter]

FWIW an amendment is when you change a piece of legislation in the constitution. It’s not like they haven’t changed it before

I'm an amendment to be
I said amendment to be
And I'm hoping that they'll ratify me...

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

For anyone who’s across this sort of thing, could the president of the United States call a state of emergency to address gun control?

What a crap storm that’ll produce. Not that I am a fan of their gun laws, but the opposing pov have some good points. As someone who believes in the full legalisation of drugs, separate topic, adding a heap of gun controls may not be the way to go. Strict background checks, sure, but outright banning most guns will drive illegal ownership of weapons. Even the current Australian and American gun crime and non-gun murder rates are worth perusing. American gun stats are inflated by suicide rates. In addition, legal gun owners (who had background checks) are usually at the low end of gun-related crime stats. Illegal use of firearms and suicides dominate the stats. There is a lot of myths surrounding guns. In saying that, the massacres are inexcusable and the cultural near-obsession with guns is a bit disturbing. Demonising gun owners has done little to subdue gun ownership and the power of the NRA. The NRA’s resistance needs to whittled down in consultation between all parties.

 

[Val Keating]

What a crap storm that’ll produce.

Bit like shutting down the government and declaring a state of emergency to spend $15Bill on a wall that won’t work type crap storm?

Not that I am a fan of their gun laws, but the opposing pov have some good points.

As the saying goes, everything that comes before the but is bullshit.

As someone who believes in the full legalisation of drugs, separate topic, adding a heap of gun controls may not be the way to go. Strict background checks, sure, but outright banning most guns will drive illegal ownership of weapons. Even the current Australian and American gun crime and non-gun murder rates are worth perusing. American gun stats are inflated by suicide rates. In addition, legal gun owners (who had background checks) are usually at the low end of gun-related crime stats. Illegal use of firearms and suicides dominate the stats. There is a lot of myths surrounding guns. In saying that, the massacres are inexcusable and the cultural near-obsession with guns is a bit disturbing. Demonising gun owners has done little to subdue gun ownership and the power of the NRA. The NRA’s resistance needs to whittled down in consultation between all parties.

Yeah I understand all that, but, could a future president use the same tactics used by Trump to build his wall to circumnavigate the NRA and the Congressional members corrupted by the NRA and other organisations to finally do something about gun control in America?

 

[Groin guru]

So I’ve seen a bit of chatter around in the last year about a bloke I’d never heard of, Jordan Peterson. People have been speaking about this bloke like he’s evil, so of course I had to watch some videos of his interviews & lectures to see what the fuss is about. Nothing really stood out to me as offensive. Can someone please point me to his interview/lecture/essay/lecture where he exposed himself for the demon he’s being portrayed as? I got it with that Milo bloke, but just not this fella, admittedly I’m late to the party so I didn’t pay him much mind till the last couple of days.

That sort of logic and unbiased opinion doesn't belong around these parts okay! When someone passes 50% mainstream popularity you must set your opinion to automatically against so you can say you're not a sheep.

The reality is you won't find anything tbh. His stuff may be taken out of context on the odd occasion, not everyone is going to agree with him and people complain that he's capitalising on his popularity (any sane person would). It's why I like the 'Rubin Report' - hour long interviews with the likes of Gad Saad, Hoff Sommers, Sam Harris, Shapiro, Weinsteins, + few others. Just interesting listening to various topics and having viewpoints challenged. Sure beats watching real housewives of orange county after dinner (I like watching that too)

 

[Groin guru]

Not at all.

It's a declaration of alliance with Trumpism. Which is isolationist, nativist, anti-immigration, anti-globalist, and in no small part racist. You wouldn't go out in a MAGA hat if you wanted people to think you're not racist, and didn't want the approval of racists. Especially not to a political rally.

What's wrong with being anti-globalist? You say it as though there is something wrong with that viewpoint?

Wearing a MAGA hat isn't racist. People can support the president of the United States. Those that oppose him have given it more of a meaning to censor people. It works because people are too afraid to wear in out of fear of being attacked by some lunatic. The issue isn't wearing the hat, the issue is people attacking someone for wearing it.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Bit like shutting down the government and declaring a state of emergency to spend $15Bill on a wall that won’t work type crap storm?



As the saying goes, everything that comes before the but is bullshit.



Yeah I understand all that, but, could a future president use the same tactics used by Trump to build his wall to circumnavigate the NRA and the Congressional members corrupted by the NRA and other organisations to finally do something about gun control in America?

No, the gun issue is a different type of crap storm as guns are embedded by the constitutional right to bear arms as well as the obvious cultural links.

Not really mate, I supported Howard's gun bans and still do, plus it got rid of most of the loonies to the One Nation party. It was more in line that the current and past attempts to limit guns in the USA are not working to the degree that anti-gun people want or desire. Part of the problem is the demonisation of their gun-wielding opponents by some. Like it or not, there is an opposing argument and they do have legitimate concerns as well as inherent rights.

Maybe, the problem is again, whether the Supreme Court determines that it is a breach of the Bill of Rights and constitutional law. Until you break that facet of the Bill of Rights, you are not going anywhere to break the NRA's power.

 

[kangaspurs]

His stuff may be taken out of context on the odd occasion, hing that too)

See: He'll often say something completely ridiculous that people call him out on, only for his sycophants to complain that they're just taking him out of context.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

See: He'll often say something completely ridiculous that people call him out on, only for his sycophants to complain that they're just taking him out of context.

I have that same problem with AOC supporters.

 

[kangaspurs]

I have that same problem with AOC supporters.

Oh, yeah? I haven't really been paying much attention to US politics in recent times, so the only context in which I've seen her is that video where she talks about the potential for corruption for Congressmen and women (which was commendable, but naive if she thinks even saying it's going to bring about any change. That kind of corruption is far too entrenched), and also where apparently some morons were criticising her because she danced in college, but I understand that she divides opinion because she's a "socialist" (and not in the Bronwyn Bishop understanding of the word where everyone who is not libertarian is a socialist, but perhaps someone who has actual socialist leanings). Actually, I also saw something on my Twitter feed where apparently some alt-righters tried to change the text of something she had written on her website in order to dupe their followers, but when they got called out on it being bullshit they pretended that they were just being satirical the entire time. I actually don't know anything about her policies though.

That comment at GG was just a little dig in jest about the JP discussion we had a few months ago. Damn, do I have no appetite to return to that though.

 

[RobZombie]

What's wrong with being anti-globalist? You say it as though there is something wrong with that viewpoint?

Wearing a MAGA hat isn't racist. People can support the president of the United States. Those that oppose him have given it more of a meaning to censor people. It works because people are too afraid to wear in out of fear of being attacked by some lunatic. The issue isn't wearing the hat, the issue is people attacking someone for wearing it.

Wearing a maga hat is a racist act.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Wearing a maga hat is a racist act.

Is it the wall thing? Just goes to show how bat shit crazy the world has become.

It's just a silly hat.

 

[RobZombie]

What's wrong with being anti-globalist? You say it as though there is something wrong with that viewpoint?

No, I merely accurately included it in a list of things that are part of Trumpism.

 

[Snake_Baker]

No, I merely accurately included it in a list of things that are part of Trumpism.

How did "Trumpism" arise mate?

 

[RobZombie]

How did "Trumpism" arise mate?

Dunno, from flailing in impotent rage at the world moving on from their ignorance and bigotry?

 

[RobZombie]

People don't like her because she has zero economic clue how to even pay for her proto-socialist dream, not even in a basic sense. The socialism on top of that and her vocal support of Illhan Omar, a democratic anti-Semite, has really irked quite a lot, including moderate and, as you mentioned, extreme elements.

Similar to Peterson sycophants, her defenders continue to say that we are obsessed with her or misinterpreted what she said, when in reality, she's just really stupid. I just laugh at her and move on.

I know that, I was poking fun back.

You’re such a ****ing RWNJ stooge.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

You’re such a ******* RWNJ stooge.

Socialist NPC.

 

[Gasometer]

What a crap storm that’ll produce. Not that I am a fan of their gun laws, but the opposing pov have some good points. As someone who believes in the full legalisation of drugs, separate topic, adding a heap of gun controls may not be the way to go. Strict background checks, sure, but outright banning most guns will drive illegal ownership of weapons. Even the current Australian and American gun crime and non-gun murder rates are worth perusing. American gun stats are inflated by suicide rates. In addition, legal gun owners (who had background checks) are usually at the low end of gun-related crime stats. Illegal use of firearms and suicides dominate the stats. There is a lot of myths surrounding guns. In saying that, the massacres are inexcusable and the cultural near-obsession with guns is a bit disturbing. Demonising gun owners has done little to subdue gun ownership and the power of the NRA. The NRA’s resistance needs to whittled down in consultation between all parties.

Yeh I don’t think it’s a big gun debate here that’s the real issue; it’s the potential misuse of powers. Supreme Court will need to define national emergency

 

[kangaspurs]

People don't like her because she has zero economic clue how to even pay for her proto-socialist dream, not even in a basic sense. The socialism on top of that and her vocal support of Illhan Omar, a democratic anti-Semite, has really irked quite a lot, including moderate and, as you mentioned, extreme elements.

Similar to Peterson sycophants, her defenders continue to say that we are obsessed with her or misinterpreted what she said, when in reality, she's just really stupid. I just laugh at her and move on.

I know that, I was poking fun back.

Hmm on Omar, anti-semite or critical of Israel and the influence that pro-Israeli lobbies have on U.S. Middle East policy? You know as well as I do that theyre not the same thing.

I actually did some work in a roundabout way on an interview with Omar, and she seemed a very interesting woman with an important perspective to share. But I haven't come across anything she said that was blatantly antisemtic, but perhaps there are cases where it may have been a little more subtle, but then again, it would be pretty ridiculous for the right to call out antisemitism when they so often turn a blind eye when it manifests so viciously in their own rank and file.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Dunno, from flailing in impotent rage at the world moving on from their ignorance and bigotry?

..............and this is why there will always be Trumps.

Because liberals are in denial.