Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

[Kangaroos4eva]

Water in a bong.

Now I just feel silly. I thought it was more goon in a bag related.

Dutton came up as a Queensland copper in a force that had just had its quasi-fascistic powers broken by a ABC journalist Chris Masters and Four Corners.

Never forget that.

Or that it was Anthony Dowsley at the Hun who kept pushing the Nicola Gobbo scandal when the cops thoughts they had got away with it.

Fourth estate holding government institutions and individuals accountable, like they are now, usually a sign of a healthy democracy. Isolated police raids aren’t a cause of concern. Our government is nowhere near Erodgen levels, now Turkey is closer to legitimate quasi-fascism.

The fascist government are repressing the media notion is a tired argument from Cold War days. Reality is that the fourth estate still has the same fundamental protections it has always had in the modern west. The wealth of information and media available to the general populace is testimony to our level of media freedom.

 

[Del191229]

Even after 2024 his tweets will have more power and create more talking points than the next president and if that person is a democrate...well...let the games continue!

He won't be tweeting from ADX Florence.

 

[Del191229]

Thanks for those two perfect examples of whataboutism. Not every one comes across the same stories or cares about the exact same topics.

You're bordering on Soft Downhill Skiier with his "who cares about Ngo incident when white supremacists are doing x". Dates matter. Weren't gender quotas discussed last year and the Covington Kid incident in Jan . Fair enough if they happened at the same time and not months apart. Clutching at straws here Jean.

Imagine being so egotistical that you think every one should follow the same topics that you do

The point is you're forever bagging journos - and you don't even understand they are on the frontline of the freedoms that allow you to post about your inane little obsessions.

 

[Del191229]

Fourth estate holding government institutions and individuals accountable, like they are now, usually a sign of a healthy democracy. Isolated police raids aren’t a cause of concern. Our government is nowhere near Erodgen levels, now Turkey is closer to legitimate quasi-fascism.

The fascist government are repressing the media notion is a tired argument from Cold War days. Reality is that the fourth estate still has the same fundamental protections it has always had in the modern west. The wealth of information and media available to the general populace is testimony to our level of media freedom.

Ummm, except now when the Feds are summoning travel records of journos, wanting to fingerprint them and the Home Affairs Minister is openly saying there's no "public interest defence" for journalists, and that crimes are crimes are crimes.

Apart from that.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Ummm, except now when the Feds are summoning travel records of journos, wanting to fingerprint them and the Home Affairs Minister is openly saying there's no "public interest defence" for journalists, and that crimes are crimes are crimes.

Apart from that.

For that particular legal case and legal participants? That seems pretty stock standard for a fairly serious matter related to national secrets leaking, and usually something like that requires a warrant. You usually want to figure how and why national secrets have been leaked, as hostile actors can use those avenues/info for nefarious purposes.

Finger printing is no big deal, I’ve had mine done as a security guard. For something related to military affairs, there is always a fine line between maintaining the necessary freedoms and ‘protecting national secrets’. As I said earlier, that has been the concern since the Cold War days.

Can’t comment on the home affairs minister’s comments as I haven’t seen the comments myself; he’s a genuine twit. I guess he is citing the national secrets act. Those NS matters are usually internalised from the defence force/intelligence community to the civilian government, because it usually affects foreign relations and international perceptions of that particular nation.

 

[Del191229]

For that particular legal case and legal participants? That seems pretty stock standard for a fairly serious matter related to national secrets leaking, and usually something like that requires a warrant. You usually want to figure how and why national secrets have been leaked, as hostile actors can use those avenues/info for nefarious purposes.

Finger printing is no big deal, I’ve had mine done as a security guard. For something related to military affairs, there is always a fine line between maintaining the necessary freedoms and ‘protecting national secrets’. As I said earlier, that has been the concern since the Cold War days.

Can’t comment on the home affairs minister’s comments as I haven’t seen the comments myself; he’s a genuine twit. I guess he is citing the national secrets act. Those NS matters are usually internalised from the defence force/intelligence community to the civilian government, because it usually affects foreign relations and international perceptions of that particular nation.

You ever heard of say, The Pentagon Papers mate?

Jesus the above is just terrifying, you're a smart person and you're genuinely posting this, well, it all seems in order, I'm sure they need those laws to to get to the bottom of this stuff, national security is serious business after all.

Bad stuff doesn't happen all at once, it happens bit by bit until suddenly, it is here and YOU are at the pointy end.

I'm sure the ABC journos will be just fine if they follow the legal process we have!

I mean, they'll need to ensure the police aren't running the barrister representing them as an informer, but hey, national security is at stake.

 

[Val Keating]

Da hell is bong water?

Were you ever a teenager?

 

[Del191229]

Were you ever a teenager?

I mean, they even had bongs in Horace day.

Archaeologists in southern Russia recently found nearly seven pounds of truly spectacular, well preserved and solid gold artifacts from the Scythains, a nomadic people often written about by Greek historian Herodotus. In addition to the importance of the artistic depictions on the artifacts — which included jewelry, cups and a couple bucket-shaped vessels — the scientists made another important discovery when they had criminologists test the black residue inside the bucket-shaped containers.

The results showed traces of marijuana and opium, proving that these containers are indeed ancient bongs of sorts.

These 2,400-year-old solid-gold bongs were used for cannabis

Archaeologists in southern Russia recently found two 2,400-year-old solid-gold bongs ancient Scythians used for marijuana and opium, and they're beautiful.

www.thecannabist.co

 

[Val Keating]

He won't be tweeting from ADX Florence.

I know it’s trivial but I like to think it annoys Trump that Obama has nearly twice the Twitter following.

 

[Groin guru]

The point is you're forever bagging journos - and you don't even understand they are on the frontline of the freedoms that allow you to post about your inane little obsessions.

Yeah I bag 99% of them because they sold their soul long ago. Obviously there are still decent one's putting in the hard yards - James O'Keefe for example

Clickbait and narratives. Just a war of narratives and less and less care about the people. Manufacturing controversy to create discontent to steer people away from proper constructive discussion (without bias) that would better us all. As I said - there are some good ones.

 

[Del191229]

Yeah I bag 99% of them because they sold their soul long ago. Obviously there are still decent one's putting in the hard yards - James O'Keefe for example

Clickbait and narratives. Just a war of narratives and less and less care about the people. Manufacturing controversy to create discontent to steer people away from proper constructive discussion (without bias) that would better us all. As I said - there are some good ones.

Jeez you back down quick don't you? Ya little squib.

 

[Groin guru]

Jeez you back down quick don't you? Ya little squib.

I didn't back down anything. I have always maintained that. I still have no doubt that you were a clickbait hack when you were a journalist but liked to act like you were something more

'10 exercises to decrease your chances of getting wrinkles' - Jean. How lose a guy in 10 days was probably the story of your life.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Dermatologists hate him!

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Were you ever a teenager?

Watching Family guy and playing Halo way too much.

 

[Del191229]

I didn't back down anything. I have always maintained that. I still have no doubt that you were a clickbait hack when you were a journalist but liked to act like you were something more

'10 exercises to decrease your chances of getting wrinkles' - Jean. How lose a guy in 10 days was probably the story of your life.

One of my best was getting some Cabinet in confidence documents ... as one does ... and causing some uproar there.

Did some really interesting stuff in Molenbeek with the families of kids who'd gone to fight for Daesh back in 2013 before that kind of thing was big news - Salah Abedsalem, Abbouad, those types. The Brussels Daesh cell that subsequently shot up Paris.

Lots of interesting stuff with Glasgow gangs and cops and robbers, Northern Irish paramilitaries. Met some fascinating folks along the way, everyone from Senator George Mitchell to Ahkmed Zakayev.

Its funny, with someone like Zakayev, you're there going "Man, you fought in the siege of friggin' Grozny" - and here you are asking me what kangaroos are like in real life.

 

[Del191229]

Was waiting for you (or someone else) to introduce said papers into the argument.

In the case of the Pentagon Papers:
From what I have read, the paper's embarrassed prior US administrations, rather than Nixon's administration, so he had didn't have much to gain or lose, but he found a way to still worsen his reputation. Nixon had to be talked into, by Kissinger, arresting Ellsberg and Russo, in order not to set a negative precedent for national secrets.

In the case of media publishing and censorship, the US judicial branch ensured that the laws of the land, the first amendment, were properly upheld and that the government's actions were unjust. For the latter case involving Russo and Ellsberg, legal irregularities ensured that they faced no repercussions in the end. The whole thing was silly to begin with, as Nixon did not need to act on the Espionage Act and most of the unpublished study was revealed in a 1983 study, via the Freedom of Information Act anyway.

The whole PP incident teaches us that as long as the individual citizen, fourth estate and judicial branches work together to hold the executive branch accountable when necessary, that a democratic system is working effectively, as flawed as it may be.


The Andrew Wilkie stuff should be viewed as just as seriously as PP; at least for Australians, as that was a then-contemporary government trying to cover up its own ongoing negligence.

I've slowly become Tas.

Dude, you may need to read a bit more, they released classified military planning documents while the war was still going on.

Some would call it treason and worthy of execution, some said the public interest defence was valid - the documents showeed they knew they were losing and kept going anyway.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Dude, you may need to read a bit more, they released classified military planning documents while the war was still going on.

Some would call it treason and worthy of execution, some said the public interest defence was valid - the documents showeed they knew they were losing and kept going anyway.

Where did I say they didn’t? The report went to 1967 and included documents up to that year. Ellsberg and Russo didn’t copy the documents until 2 years later, let alone the media involvement a further 2 year’s later. Therefore, there would have been very little contemporary relevant planning leaked; they were the nasty secrets of previous administrations.

He leaked it to the media in 1971, 2 years after the announcement of the Guam Doctrine, which signalled the slow Vietnamization of the war and the usa slowly withdrawing. Nixon administration didn’t commit the really heinous stuff in those specific documents and he had to be talked into prosecution in the first place.

I feel we are arguing semantics now.

 

[D23D]

Da hell is bong water?

Mother’s milk

 

[Snake_Baker]

Why have they erected a statue of George W Bush holding up his shirt in Perth?

 

[Del191229]

Where did I say they didn’t? The report went to 1967 and included documents up to that year. Ellsberg and Russo didn’t copy the documents until 2 years later, let alone the media involvement a further 2 year’s later. Therefore, there would have been very little contemporary relevant planning leaked; they were the nasty secrets of previous administrations.

He leaked it to the media in 1971, 2 years after the announcement of the Guam Doctrine, which signalled the slow Vietnamization of the war and the usa slowly withdrawing. Nixon administration didn’t commit the really heinous stuff in those specific documents and he had to be talked into prosecution in the first place.

I feel we are arguing semantics now.

No, Nixon had his own heinous stuff in the area ongoing, and to time, in 1971, Operation Phoenix, the 1972 bombing offensives, the bombing of Cambodia.

Using weasel words to try and justify your emotional to the security state is pathetic.

You're like Parsons, you'll end up in the cell with the rest of the polits bewildered as to how you go there.

Groin Guru will be a guard, but that's another story.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Weasel words?

If you want to keep shifting goal posts, that’s your prerogative, but I’ll have no part of it.

Don’t bother responding to any of my posts in the future, you won’t get a response from me.

 

[Groin guru]

One of my best was getting some Cabinet in confidence documents ... as one does ... and causing some uproar there.

Did some really interesting stuff in Molenbeek with the families of kids who'd gone to fight for Daesh back in 2013 before that kind of thing was big news - Salah Abedsalem, Abbouad, those types. The Brussels Daesh cell that subsequently shot up Paris.

Lots of interesting stuff with Glasgow gangs and cops and robbers, Northern Irish paramilitaries. Met some fascinating folks along the way, everyone from Senator George Mitchell to Ahkmed Zakayev.

Its funny, with someone like Zakayev, you're there going "Man, you fought in the siege of friggin' Grozny" - and here you are asking me what kangaroos are like in real life.

Nice clickbait articles. Were they all features in Cosmo?

 

[Del191229]

Nice clickbait articles. Were they all features in Cosmo?

Hahaha, you don't even know who the people or situations I'm talking about are or were.

Stick to manufactured - almost certainly out of Langley - culture war distractions.

 

[Del191229]

"Meet Ahkmed Zakayev - he fought in the first siege of Grozny, and does he have some beauty tips for you!"

 

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