Play Nice Random Chat Thread IV

[Royal Flush]

In complete fairness to GS, another continent is a whole different conversation, circumstances and subject entirely to what Smash was highlighting. Some correlations of course, but different regional dynamics at play.

Being a major cricket fan, however, it’s sad what happened to Zimbabwe.

Then you can rattle off the hundreds of issues ranging from sickness to poaching to ethnic and religious cleansing. Then there’s the causes, which there are multitudes.

Infairness to him too, it is a different conversation agreed.

I just wonder what the boys sitting on a road side cafe in Mogadishu think about the BLM movement?
And if they'd take the opportunity to migrate to the US if they had the opportunity, or would they turn it down due to institutionalized racism.
I'd be interested in their perspective, rather then those of privileged middle class Australians.

My point wasn't really aimed at him specifically, just the whole conversation in general.
I just happened to latch onto his.




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[Royal Flush]

In complete fairness to GS, another continent is a whole different conversation, circumstances and subject entirely to what Smash was highlighting. Some correlations of course, but different regional dynamics at play.

Being a major cricket fan, however, it’s sad what happened to Zimbabwe.

Then you can rattle off the hundreds of issues ranging from sickness to poaching to ethnic and religious cleansing. Then there’s the causes, which there are multitudes.

Infairness to him too, it is a different conversation agreed.

I just wonder what the boys sitting on a road side cafe in Mogadishu think about the BLM movement?
And if they'd take the opportunity to migrate to the US if they had the opportunity, or would they turn it down due to institutionalized racism.
I'd be interested in their perspective, rather then those of privileged middle class Australians.

My point wasn't really aimed at him specifically, just the whole conversation in general.
I just happened to latch onto his.




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[Royal Flush]

Yeah, seriously. Peeps are jumping at shadows. and I genuinely don't know what you mean by 'meanwhile in Africa'.

Please, I'm genuinely interested.

I just wonder what the boys sitting on a road side cafe in Mogadishu think about the BLM movement?
And if they'd take the opportunity to migrate to the US if they had the opportunity, or would they turn it down due to institutionalized racism.
I'd be interested in their perspective, rather then those of privileged middle class Australians.

My point wasn't really aimed at you specifically, just the whole conversation in general.
I just happened to latch onto yours.

But concluding with bigot. Wow




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[Kangaroos4eva]

Infairness to him too, it is a different conversation agreed.

I just wonder what the boys sitting on a road side cafe in Mogadishu think about the BLM movement?
And if they'd take the opportunity to migrate to the US if they had the opportunity, or would they turn it down due to institutionalized racism.
I'd be interested in their perspective, rather then those of privileged middle class Australians.

My point wasn't really aimed at him specifically, just the whole conversation in general.
I just happened to latch onto his.




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Perspectives and reactions on the USA from outside the American/Western bubble are almost always interesting. Different backgrounds, experiences, etc.

Hard to obtain those outside perspectives, unless you visit and talk to the people around the world. We have a lot more in common than some may think.

 

[GarnerSmash]

I just wonder what the boys sitting on a road side cafe in Mogadishu think about the BLM movement?
And if they'd take the opportunity to migrate to the US if they had the opportunity, or would they turn it down due to institutionalized racism.
I'd be interested in their perspective, rather then those of privileged middle class Australians.

My point wasn't really aimed at you specifically, just the whole conversation in general.
I just happened to latch onto yours.

But concluding with bigot. Wow




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Hey, I stated that it could be construed with what a bigot in Reddit could say, which is true. Shit like that is easily taken out of context, and thats the point I was trying to illustrate. So, thank you for clarifying. Apologies if I caused offence in the approach. It wasn't my intent.

On your point, no bloody way would they turn down the chance to migrate.

It is interesting though when looking at existing poor vs intended migration vs refugee migration in Australia. The children of migrants tend to flourish somewhat because generally speaking their parents are well educated (even though many don't have their quals recognised in Aus and end up driving cabs etc.) and push their children to achieve. Even if they are not well educated they come here for a reason and are focused on getting ahead. Refugees and their kids tend to struggle given they are generally poorly educated, can't speak the language, have spent most of their lives in camps etc. Existing poor tend to have kids who grow up poor. I would think these outcomes would carry over to the US, but would have to check to see if there has been any real research on this. How this related to BLM and that movement gets back to the point of my original post, which is that the problem is poverty and a multi-generational engagement with systems that reinforce the status quo, a status quo in which blacks are poor, education is poor, blacks are criminals etc.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Hey, I stated that it could be construed with what a bigot in Reddit could say, which is true. Shit like that is easily taken out of context, and thats the point I was trying to illustrate. So, thank you for clarifying. Apologies if I caused offence in the approach. It wasn't my intent.

On your point, no bloody way would they turn down the chance to migrate.

It is interesting though when looking at existing poor vs intended migration vs refugee migration in Australia. The children of migrants tend to flourish somewhat because generally speaking their parents are well educated (even though many don't have their quals recognised in Aus and end up driving cabs etc.) and push their children to achieve. Even if they are not well educated they come here for a reason and are focused on getting ahead. Refugees and their kids tend to struggle given they are generally poorly educated, can't speak the language, have spent most of their lives in camps etc. Existing poor tend to have kids who grow up poor. I would think these outcomes would carry over to the US, but would have to check to see if there has been any real research on this. How this related to BLM and that movement gets back to the point of my original post, which is that the problem is poverty and a multi-generational engagement with systems that reinforce the status quo, a status quo in which blacks are poor, education is poor, blacks are criminals etc.

Just a casual point, I guess the difference would be a stronger focus on skilled and educated migration to Australia in comparison to the USA. The USA’s migration, particularly early on, wasn’t as focused on getting skilled labour and accepted nearly everyone.

In terms of whether the poor stay poor, there has been a few papers on the subject. Most that are poor don’t stay poor across 2-3 generations as you have indicated, and most of the rich don’t stay rich, often because the second and third generations squander it. In saying that, there are differing correlations with the African-American experience being vastly different to Asian migrants, who are also more successful than white Americans.

However, I am talking in very generalised terms and I haven’t looked at the stats or trends or immigration policies in great depth.

 

[Val Keating]

It shouldn't need to be said, but what tragic situation for the victim and his family. It's f’ed.

That said......

In a sense I feel sorry for the cop, who by all accounts is put into a position to deal with this shit without adequate training. It should never have gotten to that point, he and his colleague should have been given the skills to subdue the victim without the need for tazers or firearms. But here we are, a man is dead and another should be going to jail for shooting him whilst he was running away.

Who will want to be a cop in the US now? Let's just assume that 90% of the cops in the US aren't racist arseholes, but are good people wanting to have a career and do good by their community. You are given basic training in how to physically deal with people when things go bad, and limited fire arms training at the start, and a small refresher each year. You are given a badge and and gun and out you go into the community. A community where the law allows people to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Where there are more guns than people. Where there is the need for 10 million arrests each year nation wide. Where 40 million people are living in poverty. Where an industrialised prison system puts poor people in jail for the most basic of crimes, hardens them, and spits them back out onto the street. Where there is automatic distrust of the police across communities. What chance will any police officer have of dealing with the potential for violence and the complexity of ingrained belief systems from both sides of the fence without either maiming of killing someone, or having themselves maimed or killed?

And now 'they' are calling for the police to be defunded. Who do they think will end up actually joining the force in the future? More meatheads, more racists, more socially inept people than ever before, thats who. And it will all get worse, not better.

Police need more funding for better training, better screening of applicants and recruits, for better approaches to dealing with community, for outreach to communities. Defunding police forces is utterly stupid. With more funding to do the above it would be virtually guaranteed that the number of deaths by cop would decrease.

Interesting statistics from a podcast and other sources:

• More black people are killed by black or hispanic cops than by white cops.
• Generally speaking across general crime categories, blacks make up roughly one third of perpetrators, yet 13% of the population.
• Black people are more than twice as likely to be living in poverty than whites, with almost a quarter of the black population doing so. One quarter...
• 75% of black families are headed by a single parent (37% of white families).
• When engaging with police and in encounters in which deadly force is used, it is more likely for a white person to be shot than a black person, however whities are more likely to suicide by cop.
• Cops are more likely to go 'hands on' with a black suspect than a white suspect.

What the above information doesn't do is disprove that there are racist cops. Of course it doesn't, and of course there are. There simply has to be an element of racism in the current day police force given some of their daddies were kicking it during the times of segregation, lynchings etc. What it does illustrate is that in the four or so generations since slavery was abolished African-Americans have not been able to achieve parity with whites in making the most of the society in which they live. Why? Well, logically, they were coming from so far back and engaging with a system in which those already there did not want to share/were racist and had the power to maintain the 'accepted order of things'.

The US has some serious problems right now, but IMO white cops killing black men is not the biggest issue. I do hope though that these protests help to shine a light on the utter ugliness that lies beneath Uncle Sams top hat, an ugliness that allows rich people to suck the country dry, where poor people, a larger proportion of them black and native american than white, are f’ed in the arse, fed booze and opioids, locked up for money, not educated or supported properly and left to die by their millions under bridges, in slums and reservations or in trailer parks across the country. Or maybe the states is too far gone. Maybe they took their eye off the ball when they decided that they could take over the world, and forgot to look after their own back yard, and now the rot is so deep that its gonna take down the country.


Anyways.....I'm not racist, but...

Their whole system is cactus. They have people from poor areas that are pretty much forced into taking a plea bargain because otherwise they’re facing multiple years for pretty crimes if they fight the case, plus they can’t afford to fight the charges. So they go off to a for profit jail and basically do slave labour and now they have a record and can’t break out of the cycle. They are forced into gangs, dealing etc because no one will hire them. As much as a race thing, it’s a class thing. Their poorest people are made up of minorities because up till very recently they were redlined on where they could work and live. Shit even the current president got done for red lighting black people in one of his residential buildings fairly recently.

They whole thing needs a rebuild but no one has cared enough to do it, hence the situation they’re in now. The thing is people complain about the riots but they’re getting results. The government is looking at police reform now, which is a good start.

Anyway I got a bit of track and rambled a bit there.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Their whole system is cactus. They have people from poor areas that are pretty much forced into taking a plea bargain because otherwise they’re facing multiple years for pretty crimes if they fight the case, plus they can’t afford to fight the charges. So they go off to a for profit jail and basically do slave labour and now they have a record and can’t break out of the cycle. They are forced into gangs, dealing etc because no one will hire them. As much as a race thing, it’s a class thing. Their poorest people are made up of minorities because up till very recently they were redlined on where they could work and live. Shit even the current president got done for red lighting black people in one of his residential buildings fairly recently.

They whole thing needs a rebuild but no one has cared enough to do it, hence the situation they’re in now. The thing is people complain about the riots but they’re getting results. The government is looking at police reform now, which is a good start.

Anyway I got a bit of track and rambled a bit there.

Not that I disagree about the issues, but I thought I’ll add some statistics to your argument. Granted, I did pinch it from someone else and I haven't chased up the veracity of it.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Their whole system is cactus. They have people from poor areas that are pretty much forced into taking a plea bargain because otherwise they’re facing multiple years for pretty crimes if they fight the case, plus they can’t afford to fight the charges. So they go off to a for profit jail and basically do slave labour and now they have a record and can’t break out of the cycle. They are forced into gangs, dealing etc because no one will hire them. As much as a race thing, it’s a class thing. Their poorest people are made up of minorities because up till very recently they were redlined on where they could work and live. Shit even the current president got done for red lighting black people in one of his residential buildings fairly recently.

They whole thing needs a rebuild but no one has cared enough to do it, hence the situation they’re in now. The thing is people complain about the riots but they’re getting results. The government is looking at police reform now, which is a good start.

Anyway I got a bit of track and rambled a bit there.

~ 2.3 million prisoners being watched by ~ 470,000 prison guards.

~800,000 police and 10 million arrests a year. That's a lot of doughnuts.

Police reform will be great only if it leads to greater funding tied to improved recruitment and selection and training. What will likely happen though will be a further militarisation of the force, leading to more shootings, leading to greater civil unrest.

 

[The acurate one]

Have noticed a lot of this going on over the last couple of pages and ****s it's funny. well done

 

[LB2Snake]

Not sure about the veracity of the caption, but it’s not pretty.

faaaaaark. brutal

 

[Val Keating]

Not that I disagree about the issues, but I thought I’ll add some statistics to your argument. Granted, I did pinch it from someone else and I haven't chased up the veracity of it.
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How do those numbers compare to the poverty line?

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

How do those numbers compare to the poverty line?

High for 2010 due to the gfc. 15.1%.

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There is a high correlation between inequality and poverty, but it isn’t complete. This is due to the existence of redistribution and the welfare state reducing some of the effects of poverty.

In addition to macroeconomics, economic downturns and decades of economic policy, there have been other effects on the rise of poverty:
- The demise of the dual-median income and high family separation rates. A lot of single mothers are in the poverty zone.
- The war on drugs and wider drug abuse. A huge factor behind homelessness as addicts struggle to find and keep work, plus drugs are generally expensive.
- Education
- Reduction in the desire for individual responsibility and mobility.
- Status of the welfare state.
- Cost of living rising and other factors.

The solutions need to be a lot more nuanced than redistribution, otherwise we are pissing money down the drain.

 

[Val Keating]

The war on drugs is hilarious considering the cia brought crack into the ghettos.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The war on drugs is hilarious considering the cia brought crack into the ghettos.

Full of issues.

Should just legalise and control drugs publicly, instead of playing shadow wars across the continents.

 

[andana]

Just had a Rock film on which made me think he could be a popular choice for President. Seems to be widely popular in U.S., person of color, played football,
not old, no experience.

 

[koshari]

faaaaaark. brutal

they are all pretty pathetic but hows the courage ( or lack of it) of that dude in the white shirt after the victim was virtually KO'd.

 

[koshari]

The war on drugs is hilarious considering the cia brought crack into the ghettos.

its all about sustaining the High street prices for narcotics,

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Just had a Rock film on which made me think he could be a popular choice for President. Seems to be widely popular in U.S., person of color, played football,
not old, no experience.

And significantly more intelligent than the current POTUS.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Not that I disagree about the issues, but I thought I’ll add some statistics to your argument. Granted, I did pinch it from someone else and I haven't chased up the veracity of it.
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Now correlate with their social class and find the actual relevant data.

Poor blacks vs poor whites is the poor catholics vs poor protestants of the 21st century.

 

[Royal Flush]

The war on drugs is hilarious considering the cia brought crack into the ghettos.

Full of issues.

Should just legalise and control drugs publicly, instead of playing shadow wars across the continents.

A left leaning government would win my vote on that policy alone.
We need more freedom of choice in all areas, and not be legislated against our freedoms in choice because of the knuckle heads that do stupid things.
Important to note, I am a non drug user and drinker.

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[Kangaroos4eva]

Now correlate with their social class and find the actual relevant data.

Poor blacks vs poor whites is the poor catholics vs poor protestants of the 21st century.

But of a read and it is an older set of stats of crimes rather than prison, but the analysis larger fits with yours:

Neighborhoods and Violent Crime | HUD USER

www.huduser.gov

I’ll try and find some prison related studies.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

A left leaning government would win my vote on that policy alone.
We need more freedom of choice in all areas, and not be legislated against our freedoms in choice because of the knuckle heads that do stupid things.
Important to note, I am a non drug user and drinker.

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Same, never touched either, but I’ve been pushing for legalisation for years.

 

[LB2Snake]

they are all pretty pathetic but hows the courage ( or lack of it) of that dude in the white shirt after the victim was virtually KO'd.

Someone just sent me the video of the 16 year old girl that was repeatedly punched and kicked by a gang of 8-9 girls at dandy train station. Pack beatings was just a complete no no in my day. I’m 52 and that shit just wasn’t tolerated and didn’t happen when I was young. It’s horrific.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

A shitload of call and response by the tabloid media. They generate a headline, have it amplified by outrage merchants like Latham or McSween, and suddenly there is a talking point, completely overwhelmed by emotion about POLIITICALCORRECTNESSGONEMAD.