Play Nice Random Chat Thread VI

[Ligma]

That type of mess?

Left pants on the floor.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

Old bloke legit made a mess in the changeroom

Was there moaning going on?

 

[Val Keating]

Let’s keep these fun facts up aye.

Spose it’s fun because Hinch is doing more with his life than the other bloke would have

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Spose it’s fun because Hinch is doing more with his life than the other bloke would have

Thought he copped a bit of flack because he was back on the piss within six months?

 

[Val Keating]

Thought he copped a bit of flack because he was back on the piss within six months?

He did.

Edit- don’t want to speak ill of the dead, but my point still stands.

 

[Val Keating]

Nothing to do with the scandal but Akaash Singh is going on Rogan today. I’ve followed Akaash for a while ( because of his podcast Flagrant 2) and it’s just cool to see someone grinding for years and finally catching a break.

 

[ferball]

I don't care for the underhanded tactics or the dragging of his name through the mud. It's just not on.

Good on Joe for taking care of his health. But his whole I got over covid easy thing stank of an out of touch, healthy, rich white guy using his money, time and access to look after his health and thinking everyone else should do the same. A very American libertarian perspective.

This is very true. But it wasn't just Ivermectin that he took. He did document everything about it didn't he?

And frankly none of his opposition in the US media took your approach did they? Even tho they're all about BLM and checking their privilege etc. They are essentially mostly white and all ruling class/establishment (where ever they started out) healthy or at least insured, rich and with the money, time and access to resources that most Americans don't have.

Rogan isn't seen to be part of the establishment, like Trumnp actually. Even tho they both really are. But Rogan's libertarianism is off the back of being a choofer and having a quasi religious/spiritual attitude to tryptamines. He's well aware of that history over the last 3 deacdes as medical pot became a thing and he's well aware of the religious aspects of DMT etc, as well as the potential benefits of research into those compounds for people with mental health issues and long term health issues. (Even Jordan Peterson has acknowledged this stuff btw.)

Alot of very valid libertarian ideas are tied up with resisting the war on drugs.

The x files first explored the idea that psychedelic fungii could be of benefit to older people with cognitive decline and terminal illness. Its only the last few years where actual research into it has become available for people to discuss. Same with micro dosing and its relationship to mental health.

The libertarian argument here, and its a good one that I agree with, is that the illegality of these drugs is a net harm because we've denied ourselves the ability to research them properly and derive a benefit as a society from their use. If one is there. The evidence has suggested there is since they were made illegal over 50 years ago. But as the Libertarians rightly point out, we don't know if there is one or its extent because prohibition has ended any legitimate research.

They have ideological reasons to do with the right of government's to interfere with what people do with their own brains that are fair enough too but the first argument is a good and a valid one.

Associating Libertarianism with the worst aspects of anarcho capitalism can sometimes drown out good ideas that go with it.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

This is very true. But it wasn't just Ivermectin that he took. He did document everything about it didn't he?

Nor did I say it was just Ivermectin that he took. His regime included that and other things, along with vitamin D, good food, exercise, sleep etc etc. All well and good for someone who has time and money, but if you make $8 an hour and work 2 jobs to make ends meet then little to none if this is feasible.

And frankly none of his opposition in the US media took your approach did they? Even tho they're all about BLM and checking their privilege etc. They are essentially mostly white and all ruling class/establishment (where ever they started out) healthy or at least insured, rich and with the money, time and access to resources that most Americans don't have.

I don't care about he US media. I do care about what he can do to address valid criticism.

Rogan isn't seen to be part of the establishment, like Trumnp actually. Even tho they both really are. But Rogan's libertarianism is off the back of being a choofer and having a quasi religious/spiritual attitude to tryptamines. He's well aware of that history over the last 3 deacdes as medical pot became a thing and he's well aware of the religious aspects of DMT etc, as well as the potential benefits of research into those compounds for people with mental health issues and long term health issues. (Even Jordan Peterson has acknowledged this stuff btw.)

Alot of very valid libertarian ideas are tied up with resisting the war on drugs.

The x files first explored the idea that psychedelic fungii could be of benefit to older people with cognitive decline and terminal illness. Its only the last few years where actual research into it has become available for people to discuss. Same with micro dosing and its relationship to mental health.

The libertarian argument here, and its a good one that I agree with, is that the illegality of these drugs is a net harm because we've denied ourselves the ability to research them properly and derive a benefit as a society from their use. If one is there. The evidence has suggested there is since they were made illegal over 50 years ago. But as the Libertarians rightly point out, we don't know if there is one or its extent because prohibition has ended any legitimate research.

They have ideological reasons to do with the right of government's to interfere with what people do with their own brains that are fair enough too but the first argument is a good and a valid one.

Associating Libertarianism with the worst aspects of anarcho capitalism can sometimes drown out good ideas that go with it.

Rogan's libertarianism isn't just tied up with his approach to drugs though and its not the emphasis of where the issue stems from. I for one am very much aligned with him on the use of natural substances as tools for healing, be that physical or mental. I take his ideology further back to a more 'American Libertarianism' and the primacy of personal freedom above all. Be this in the area of guns, taxes, freedom of movement, Rogan leans heavily towards a highly American, Stars and Stripes waving libertarianism which tells the government to **** off and leave me alone do do what I want. As long as I don't hurt anyone else the law should leave me alone. Unless America is under attack big government can stick to getting out of the way and let people sort out their lives.

Rogan's ideology that government should not be interfering with peoples lives does not work in a pandemic. It might not impact him or his friends but his approach to life is problematic for millions, if not hundreds of millions in such a situation. He allows his own personal biases to colour all discussions on the topic on his podcast which then reaches these same people who can't afford to look after themselves the way Joe does. These people rely on basic medical services to work properly to get through the pandemic, the same services that are severely impacted by lack of restrictions, lack of care by people to understand that their personal choices can adversely impact the ability of the state to provide basic care to its people during a time of pandemic. This is the crux of my issue with him over the last 18 months in particular. His own personal attitude is based on his beliefs and guests who support his position, either directly or indirectly, go relatively unchallenged on his podcast.

As I have said, I like the guy and have enjoyed his podcast for a few years, but his naturally curious tone changed around the topic of covid from being one of all round curiosity on a whole bunch of topics to a very anti-establishment position when it comes to covid and the response to the pandemic.

 

[travelli]

Yeah, I think so too. I certainly hope so! It really is one of the great things about our society, to have a place where you can go and read the paper, or use the internet, and of course borrow a book. All for free. When most of us can do all that from the comfort of our lounge, it's easy to forget how important it is to have that service available to all.

And generally the stuff they do for kids, from story time to craft activities and school holiday sessions on how to write your own graphic novel, is just terrific.

I'll tell you a little secret.... I'm actually a librarian. I just got a job in a public library in regional Queensland after 20 years doing other stuff.

But it's good to see that people are into them. Most of my customers are under 5 or over 70.

 

[ferball]

Nor did I say it was just Ivermectin that he took. His regime included that and other things, along with vitamin D, good food, exercise, sleep etc etc. All well and good for someone who has time and money, but if you make $8 an hour and work 2 jobs to make ends meet then little to none if this is feasible.


I don't care about he US media. I do care about what he can do to address valid criticism.

He is part of the US media tho isn't he. I wasn't claiming you said that tho, but it was pushed that that was what he did.

Rogan's libertarianism isn't just tied up with his approach to drugs though and its not the emphasis of where the issue stems from.

I dunno what he's like now but that's how he started out 15 years ago, doing talks at burning Man and presenting documentaries on the War on Drugs. Before that he was just a comedian with an interest in martial arts.

 

[blackshadow]

I'll tell you a little secret.... I'm actually a librarian. I just got a job in a public library in regional Queensland after 20 years doing other stuff.

But it's good to see that people are into them. Most of my customers are under 5 or over 70.

You need a new avatar...

 

[Swallow_Wood]

He is part of the US media tho isn't he. I wasn't claiming you said that tho, but it was pushed that that was what he did.

Right. Well yeah, the narrative around Ivermectin is strong because of guests spruiking it on his show, linking to what turned out to be fraudulent research. I think it may have been the same ep as the 'crime of the century' comment from Bret Weinstein. But his IG recording was clear that it wasnt the only thing he took.

I dunno what he's like now but that's how he started out 15 years ago, doing talks at burning Man and presenting documentaries on the War on Drugs. Before that he was just a comedian with an interest in martial arts.

He is still the same re drugs and in fairness he has been pretty consistent with his beliefs and approach to life. Just a bit moreso with state management of covid. Which is fine if you live on a compound in the middle of nowhere and have access to the best of everything. Not so much if you live in high rise apartments in an inner city environment in a low socio-economic area.

 

[Kangaroos techno]

Nor did I say it was just Ivermectin that he took. His regime included that and other things, along with vitamin D, good food, exercise, sleep etc etc. All well and good for someone who has time and money, but if you make $8 an hour and work 2 jobs to make ends meet then little to none if this is feasible.


I don't care about he US media. I do care about what he can do to address valid criticism.


Rogan's libertarianism isn't just tied up with his approach to drugs though and its not the emphasis of where the issue stems from. I for one am very much aligned with him on the use of natural substances as tools for healing, be that physical or mental. I take his ideology further back to a more 'American Libertarianism' and the primacy of personal freedom above all. Be this in the area of guns, taxes, freedom of movement, Rogan leans heavily towards a highly American, Stars and Stripes waving libertarianism which tells the government to fu** off and leave me alone do do what I want. As long as I don't hurt anyone else the law should leave me alone. Unless America is under attack big government can stick to getting out of the way and let people sort out their lives.

Rogan's ideology that government should not be interfering with peoples lives does not work in a pandemic. It might not impact him or his friends but his approach to life is problematic for millions, if not hundreds of millions in such a situation. He allows his own personal biases to colour all discussions on the topic on his podcast which then reaches these same people who can't afford to look after themselves the way Joe does. These people rely on basic medical services to work properly to get through the pandemic, the same services that are severely impacted by lack of restrictions, lack of care by people to understand that their personal choices can adversely impact the ability of the state to provide basic care to its people during a time of pandemic. This is the crux of my issue with him over the last 18 months in particular. His own personal attitude is based on his beliefs and guests who support his position, either directly or indirectly, go relatively unchallenged on his podcast.

As I have said, I like the guy and have enjoyed his podcast for a few years, but his naturally curious tone changed around the topic of covid from being one of all round curiosity on a whole bunch of topics to a very anti-establishment position when it comes to covid and the response to the pandemic.

All well and good for someone who has time and money, but if you make $8 an hour and work 2 jobs to make ends meet then little to none if this is feasible.

that's a stupid argument to hold against him. What % of the population falls under that category? Does that population even have enough time to listen to Rogan? You're not going to cover your entire audience and being transparent about what he did doesn't equate to pushing it onto his audience. It's their choice to incorporate those elements into their lives should they chose.

Vitamin D - 15mins in the sun or through food sources
Food - possible
Exercise - easy enough to meet the PA guidelines. Thanks to covid it's easier than ever to find home body weight workouts. HIIT makes it even easier to fit into your schedule.
Sleep - the only questionable part given variables.

Ask every student if they've been about to function on that amount of money. I did it for years without issue. Unless you're going to throw more variables at me for this individual that works 2 jobs on minimum wage like has kids and no parents...

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

I'll tell you a little secret.... I'm actually a librarian. I just got a job in a public library in regional Queensland after 20 years doing other stuff.

But it's good to see that people are into them. Most of my customers are under 5 or over 70.

Ah, it all makes sense now! Good on you, in my experience librarians are wonderful people. They are just always so happy to help you either with your research at university libraries, or just to find a book that isn't where it should be. Frequently let me off my late fines in the past too!

Here's my suggested avatar:

oops, not that one!

 

[ferball]

Right. Well yeah, the narrative around Ivermectin is strong because of guests spruiking it on his show, linking to what turned out to be fraudulent research. I think it may have been the same ep as the 'crime of the century' comment from Bret Weinstein. But his IG recording was clear that it wasnt the only thing he took.


He is still the same re drugs and in fairness he has been pretty consistent with his beliefs and approach to life. Just a bit moreso with state management of covid. Which is fine if you live on a compound in the middle of nowhere and have access to the best of everything. Not so much if you live in high rise apartments in an inner city environment in a low socio-economic area.

One of the things that shits me about this pile on is that one of the few things I have seen of Rogan is when he basically tells Ben Shapiro he is full of it about institutionalised racism. He does it calmly and carefully and at no point does he concede what Shapiro is saying. The fact he was able to calmly and carefully talk about institutionalised racism without using those exact words, so as not to trigger Shapiro and derail the whole conversation without once acknowledging what Shapiro was saying.

He might not be articulate and understand the issue but he acknowledges it is there and its a serious problem for black Americans.

He even acknowledges his own privilege to an extent.

Facebook fact checkers have tried to fact check and censor the BJM over their report on Ventavia's failed vaccine trial. I don't think we can put all the blame there is on Rogan for letting people like Malone or whoever else the other guy was on his show. In the spirit of good dialogue intelligent reasonable people have responded to those arguments and debunked them. I understand your position on him being more responsible. But I've seen video where mainstream US news sources on the (lol) "left" spend 20 minutes lying about Julian Assange and call it an editorial.

At no point does Rogan claim to be the fourth estate of any democracy but those media organisations do. They claim a level of authority to what they say that he doesn't claim. And that's why I think your ire about who should be responsible for what they say is misplaced.

 

[Mcarcherey]

If its not for an internet win where's his comment on its effectiveness on Delta or other strains? Instead we get a cheeky 'Well, lookie here...'

I don't expect Joe to have a nuanced discussion on Invermectin given his position on it in the past and his connection with people who have been crowing on its effectiveness against other strains long before any trials had been undertaken. I don't expect him to accept that some of his guest on his highest rating eps have their own anti-establishment agendas and aren't the leading experts they espouse themselves to be. I don't expect him to take a look in the mirror and learn that his world view is antithetical to large scale controls required during a global pandemic. And I also don't expect him to accept that with bringing the biggest podcaster in the world comes a responsibility to ensure that you are able to have nuanced and balanced conversations on certain topics.

Look, I like Joe and have listed to his podcasts for years. Paul Stamets, Brian Cox, Sam Harris, Tristan Harris and Daniel Schmachtenberger, Neil Degreasse-Tyson, Bill Burr etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Some amazing guest and some fantastic conversations over the years. But Joe's personal ideological leanings most certainly crept into his narrative on covid and have led to some very questionable interactions. For example, pushing Robert Malone as an expert on and the inventor of mRNA vaccines? Give me a ******* break. That's like saying that Henry Ford is an expert on and inventor of formula one cars. Allowing Bret Weinstein to call the vaccine rollout the crime of the century without calling him on it after he had been publicly melting down for months post his cancelling at his former employer? Joe is a smart guy, a curious guy, but he's not smart enough to understand his own biases and the many nuances of his conversations and the responsibility that he has when engaging with so called experts during a pandemic. And like it or not, he can't hide behind the 'I'm just a comedian and MMA aficionado' thing. He gets paid the big bucks to engage with a wide range of people to discuss a wide range of topics to a massive audience, and with that comes wide reaching responsibility.

I don't think he deserves to be cancelled. I don't think he is a racist and a bigot. But he has an ego, he has a particular position on controls in place because of the pandemic, he is a multi-millionaire and has the social disconnect that comes with that. And all this is obvious if you, like me, have listened to his podcasts for years. I have stopped listening to him in recent months because his biases on covid have infiltrated so many of his discussions that it became grating. Good luck to him. I hope those who are coming after him fail because he has a great show. But he also needs to take a look in the mirror and figure some sh*t out.

....what about all the ppl he had on supporting the vaccine, they don't count? seems like you just have a negative bias like the rest of his critics tbh.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

....what about all the ppl he had on supporting the vaccine, they don't count? seems like you just have a negative bias like the rest of his critics tbh.

The overarching tenor of his podcast has been anti-lockdown, anti-restriction and pro-alternative treatments, which in and of themselves are valid opinions. My concern is that some crazy shit goes unchallenged on his show from so called experts. What I would love to see him do would be to get some discussions going on his podcast. Like, if he is going to have someone like Robert Malone or Bret Weinstein on, get someone else on at the same time to debate each others narratives.

As I said, I have been a fan for years and I don't want him taken down, but he doesn't have much balance in his conversations on Covid. Some yes, but not much.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

At no point does Rogan claim to be the fourth estate of any democracy but those media organisations do. They claim a level of authority to what they say that he doesn't claim. And that's why I think your ire about who should be responsible for what they say is misplaced.

Its kind of at the point now where it doesn't matter what he claims or wants in this space because the authority is now vested in him as a larger player than many if not all of mainstream media organisations. They would kill for his audience and like it or not people trust Rogan more than the traditional media. Ergo he has authority. And with that authority comes responsibility.

 

[ferball]

Its kind of at the point now where it doesn't matter what he claims or wants in this space because the authority is now vested in him as a larger player than many if not all of mainstream media organisations. They would kill for his audience and like it or not people trust Rogan more than the traditional media. Ergo he has authority. And with that authority comes responsibility.

They are the ones that speak for power tho.

And all they do is speak shit.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

All well and good for someone who has time and money, but if you make $8 an hour and work 2 jobs to make ends meet then little to none if this is feasible.

that's a stupid argument to hold against him. What % of the population falls under that category? Does that population even have enough time to listen to Rogan? You're not going to cover your entire audience and being transparent about what he did doesn't equate to pushing it onto his audience. It's their choice to incorporate those elements into their lives should they chose.

Vitamin D - 15mins in the sun or through food sources
Food - possible
Exercise - easy enough to meet the PA guidelines. Thanks to covid it's easier than ever to find home body weight workouts. HIIT makes it even easier to fit into your schedule.
Sleep - the only questionable part given variables.

Ask every student if they've been about to function on that amount of money. I did it for years without issue. Unless you're going to throw more variables at me for this individual that works 2 jobs on minimum wage like has kids and no parents...

37.5 million Americans live below the poverty line.
40 million live on food stamps.
Almost 20 million US kids live in single parent homes.
About 13 million US workers work two or more jobs.

That Rogan has a larger audience than MSM outlets and takes a position on covid as covered previously can and likely would impact efforts to prevent spread of the illness amongst vulnerable groups, many of whom fall within these brackets. Attitudes matter and if the most sticky voice has more people thinking that actions that don't assist in preventing spread are ideal then these people suffer. And when they suffer they have far more limited access to positive health outcomes.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

They are the ones that speak for power tho.

And all they do is speak sh*t.

I don't disagree.

 

[big_e]

I honestly thought Derryn Hinch was dead.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

I honestly thought Derryn Hinch was dead.

Just his liver.

 

[Mcarcherey]

The overarching tenor of his podcast has been anti-lockdown, anti-restriction and pro-alternative treatments, which in and of themselves are valid opinions. My concern is that some crazy sh*t goes unchallenged on his show from so called experts. What I would love to see him do would be to get some discussions going on his podcast. Like, if he is going to have someone like Robert Malone or Bret Weinstein on, get someone else on at the same time to debate each others narratives.

As I said, I have been a fan for years and I don't want him taken down, but he doesn't have much balance in his conversations on Covid. Some yes, but not much.

yes there should be more debates, Joe isn't qualified to call them out on the spot and Jamie can't pull up a science degree to fact check. Although Joe does say he would like more debates all the time.

 

[Hojuman]

I honestly thought Derryn Hinch was dead.

That liver's lasted him a while. Long term immunosuppresants aren't good for you either.