Mega Thread Random recruiting hypotheticals 2011

[rp84]

On that alone we'd go after him.
It's the salary that may get in the way, unless the Dogs are happy for a 50/50 split.

Reckon heavily front ended contract would fit in fairly comfortably. Still not paying many guys huge dollars, I believe.

 

[coryne]

People will can this, though I think it is worth a shot. If he regains fitness, is one of the better defenders around, and an excellent user of the ball.

Has put the cue in the rack early to regain fitness. A fit lake would make us instant top 3 and genuine contender.

Would happily part with third rounder and a fringe player or even a second rounder on him. Yes it is a risk. Clearly. Worth looking at though.

And you are kidding yourself if you think we could get him for ANYTHING less than a high end 1st rd pick, or x2 mid ranged 1st rounders ........... He is still contracted for x2 years (meaning he can't use the draft as a bargaining chip), is on +500k a year (thus more than we can prob afford) and a required player for the Bulldogs.

Freo were "demanding" a 1st rd pick for Tarrant when he was first talking about moving state last year, and the Bulldogs will want more considering he is contracted.


I would love him in the side, but believing the Bulldogs will off-load him for underers is just crazy .......

 

[NAUGHT5]

Coryne - if he wanted to stay and was coming off another good season then we'd have to pay through the nose. But apparently he wants out, he's 29 and has missed a whole season. I'm saying get him but even I know that it's no certainty he'll ever play top level footy again.

If the Dogs want to give an unhappy Lake $1m to play 2 seasons of footy after what has happened this year, then go ahead. If I was them, i'd be offloading him for the best deal, which I don't think will include a pick inside the top 20.

Also, if there's any chance of Ward staying, they'll be pushing Lake out the door to free up cap space.

 

[rp84]

And you are kidding yourself if you think we could get him for ANYTHING less than a high end 1st rd pick, or x2 mid ranged 1st rounders ........... He is still contracted for x2 years (meaning he can't use the draft as a bargaining chip), is on +500k a year (thus more than we can prob afford) and a required player for the Bulldogs.

Freo were "demanding" a 1st rd pick for Tarrant when he was first talking about moving state last year, and the Bulldogs will want more considering he is contracted.


I would love him in the side, but believing the Bulldogs will off-load him for underers is just crazy .......

Your comment is reasonable, but so is the next one. I think somewhere In between is around the mark.

I feel the salary isn't the issue.

Personally, I would gamble our first rounder. It will be around 20, in a poor draft. More I think about it, becomes a fairly good bet. No dead certainty, but massive pay off if it works.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Lake will not be at Carlton next year, or the year after that. We are not interested in Lake.

 

[HARKER]

Lake will not be at Carlton next year, or the year after that. We are not interested in Lake.

Would that be for Lake the player, Lake the person, or Lake the money?

 

[zeeCFC]

Can't it be all three?

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Would that be for Lake the player, Lake the person, or Lake the money?

As a player, when fit as we saw last year is the best CHB in the game, but there is some serious concerns about his body and whether it will allow him to get to those standards again. Lake the person and money is a totally different beast, and is what is pushing us away.

 

[lionel_luthor]

Lake will not be at Carlton next year, or the year after that. We are not interested in Lake.

Agree with that,s aside from the fact we don't need him, he's a deadset Toss pot of a bloke.

When Aker comes out and says your an ordinary unit, you must be a prick of a bloke.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Agree with that,s aside from the fact we don't need him, he's a deadset Toss pot of a bloke.

When Aker comes out and says your an ordinary unit, you must be a prick of a bloke.

Never said we don't need him lionel, he if fit would be an amazing acquisition, but his body is a long way off from allowing his to recapture the 2010 form. It may never get back to that from what I have been told.

 

[lionel_luthor]

Never said we don't need him lionel, he if fit would be an amazing acquisition, but his body is a long way off from allowing his to recapture the 2010 form. It may never get back to that from what I have been told.

What i have heard is Lake's lifestyle and off field habits is partially why he finds himself in the pickle he is now.

No other club will touch him with a barge pole trust, it's not exactly a state secret.

 

[Donstuie]

In the end the deal we got was pretty fair.

The only thing "fair" about it in the end was that we were able to score McCarthy as a bargain, which is more luck than anything else.

We got reamed. They paid peanuts for a guy both parties knew would be one of their shining lights, and it was pure luck we were able to score a decent kid with what was left.

 

[HARKER]

When Aker comes out and says your an ordinary unit, you must be a prick of a bloke.

When we start listening to Aker, then we've got the problem.

If you shoot enough you're bound to hit the target every now and then.
Just accept Aker with a grain of salt. Your sanity will thank you.

 

[TrueBlue05]

Dawes out of contract at the end of the year????? I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat!

 

[Aphrodite]

Dawes out of contract at the end of the year????? I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat!

+1

Still early Dawes though.

 

[gbatman]

Re: Tom Hawkins to Carlton

I have said all along Dangerfield is Essendon bound, Crows would want Gibbs for him, and rightfully so but Carlton won't do that.

We have enough A graders, we need to bolster up with periphal players, i like Phil Davies from the Crows, but they won't give him up.

Cheap gems like Jeremy Laidler are the way to go for us.

we have 3 a grade centermen. Robbo, Judd, Murphy. There is a big differnce between centermen and midfielders. good centermen win games and good midfielders sometimes top it off and look good. Really could do with another. We have a few real triers in Ellard, Curnow and Mclean. We have tons of perfieral players like Carrazzo, Gibbs, Scotland, Simpson, Lucas, etc etc.

The top sides have that extra A Grade onballer.

Geelong had Bartel, Ablett, Selwood, Corey/Ling.

Collingwood have Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas, Ball, Beams/Sidebottom.

Our starting onballers are excellent with Kreuzer/Warnock Judd Murphy and Robbo starting. But we get a bit thin after that. When Curnow was going good we looked excellent but hes out of form and back into the VFL. Ellard is honest but not an A grader. If Gibbs stepps up next year like Murphy did this year then we will be there but I'm not so sure of it like I was with Murphy and Robinson.

For trade rules it goes as follows. As long as the player we lose does not weaken us in any areas and they must not be over 26. Must be either a genuine onballer/centerman, quality tall forward or a forward ruckman. Players we can trade are players we have a surplus in such as periferal players, medium/small backs, b grade tall defenders, b grade onballers.

We will be looking for a player who is good aroud the clearances as well as good around the ground. We will be looking for a key position forward who must have plenty of height, strength, size, must be ablet to run and chase a little and must have good hands. We will not be interested in an average key position player. We will be after a player who can take a grab up forward, give a contest and kick a goal as well as ruck but this will be our 3rd priority. If we get a key forward or ruckman/forward they must be able to bring it to ground, Warnock's biggest weakness is that he's often out marked and often gives up on it if the kick is over his head.

The club would not even consider Lake. We are not interested in injury riddeld, old players. He's past his peak.

When we start listening to Aker, then we've got the problem.

If you shoot enough you're bound to hit the target every now and then.
Just accept Aker with a grain of salt. Your sanity will thank you.

People love to shoot down Aker but truth is he's a mulit Premiership player and a brownlow medalist. He knows what he is on about. Just about everything controversial he has said has proven correct. I'm not worried about what sort of bloke he is but he's not a bullshitter. He's a person/player people love to hate. People boo Juddy for no reason. Think about it.

 

[Jeremias]

Dawes out of contract at the end of the year????? I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat!

Would be wonderful but there's almost no chance of that happening.

 

[Dramoth]

Would be wonderful but there's almost no chance of that happening.

As has been noted already, it looks like Collingwood are going hard at Bernie Vince which means that they may have resigned themselves to losing Daisy to GWS for a load of wedge. Now I think that there is a massive difference between Daisy's contract and Vince's and with Dawes potentially looking at a big contract as well, the filth might either have to pass on Vince and lose Daisy or trade Dawes to allow them to have some breathing space in their cap (which wil have been filled by Pendles and Swan (or Maxwell) signing new contracts).


I do think that the pies will be hard pressed to keep Dawes after this year.

 

[Blue Dawn]

Would be wonderful but there's absolutely no chance of that happening.

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Blueboys7]

I thought that the word was that Daisy was re-signing with Collingwood?

 

[Silvagnis]

Re: Tom Hawkins to Carlton

we have 3 a grade centermen. Robbo, Judd, Murphy. There is a big differnce between centermen and midfielders. good centermen win games and good midfielders sometimes top it off and look good. Really could do with another. We have a few real triers in Ellard, Curnow and Mclean. We have tons of perfieral players like Carrazzo, Gibbs, Scotland, Simpson, Lucas, etc etc.

The top sides have that extra A Grade onballer.

Geelong had Bartel, Ablett, Selwood, Corey/Ling.

Collingwood have Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas, Ball, Beams/Sidebottom.

Our starting onballers are excellent with Kreuzer/Warnock Judd Murphy and Robbo starting. But we get a bit thin after that. When Curnow wasgoing good we looked excellent but hes out of form and back into the VFL. Ellard is honest but not an A grader. If Gibbs stepps up next year like Murphy did this year then we will be there but I'm not so sure of it like I was with Murphy and Robinson.

Quality posting.

Almost as good as the suggestions that Wellingham, Tippett, Reid, Riewoldt, Frawley and Goldstein are more talented footballers than Gibbs.

 

[gbatman]

Re: Tom Hawkins to Carlton

Quality posting.

Almost as good as the suggestions that Wellingham, Tippett, Reid, Riewoldt, Frawley and Goldstein are more talented footballers than Gibbs.

Quality reply, what's your point?

 

[Juddrockz]

As has been noted already, it looks like Collingwood are going hard at Bernie Vince which means that they may have resigned themselves to losing Daisy to GWS for a load of wedge. Now I think that there is a massive difference between Daisy's contract and Vince's and with Dawes potentially looking at a big contract as well, the filth might either have to pass on Vince and lose Daisy or trade Dawes to allow them to have some breathing space in their cap (which wil have been filled by Pendles and Swan (or Maxwell) signing new contracts).


I do think that the pies will be hard pressed to keep Dawes after this year.

The salary cap"Dam" is surely bursting at the seams down at Pie land.Even if the likes of Daisy were to move out you would think the current coin he is on wouldnt free up enough to re sign Dawes on a big contract along with bringing in Vince???
Ball took a fair chunk out from memory,Swanny must've re signed for peanuts and of course Pendles will have to leave after this contract to get on bigger money for his next contract.
Would love Dawes at the Blues!!

 

[HARKER]

Re: Tom Hawkins to Carlton

People love to shoot down Aker but truth is he's a mulit Premiership player and a brownlow medalist. He knows what he is on about. Just about everything controversial he has said has proven correct. I'm not worried about what sort of bloke he is but he's not a bullshitter. He's a person/player people love to hate. People boo Juddy for no reason. Think about it.

The fact he is a premiership player and Brownlow medalist has nothing to do with his character.

He knows what he's on about?
Yes, he knows what he has been privvy to know and has chosen to sprout it aloud for all and one to hear.
I'd suggest that every player would be in a similar position to do so, if that's the path they chose.

Don't be mistaken, Aker will fall on his own sword.
You won't get away shoveling dirt on all and sundry without getting some of it back.
I love the arrogant attitude that sets out to say how hard done by he has been, and how the world did him wrong.

Love and Hate him?
Standard rule applies. People that see some of themselves in him will love him. People that abhor what he stands for, dislike him.
I've no respect for a loud mouth of his calibre. Not the person I'd want by my side.

 

[HARKER]

Re: Tom Hawkins to Carlton

We have 3 A grade centermen. Robbo, Judd, Murphy. There is a big differnce between centermen and midfielders. good centermen win games and good midfielders sometimes top it off and look good. Really could do with another. We have a few real triers in Ellard, Curnow and Mclean. We have tons of perfieral players like Carrazzo, Gibbs, Scotland, Simpson, Lucas, etc etc.

The top sides have that extra A Grade onballer.

A little early on the call of Robbo being an A-grader just yet, you'd think.

I don't know how many A-Graders other teams have but who'd not go along with us having another 1, if not 2 quality mid-fielders if that was possible.
It would be an absolute bonus for us to have Judd being rested in the forward line for periods through a match.
We'd get another year or two of a premium Judd, under such circumstances.