Opinion Rank these players in order from 1-6: Gary Ablett Jnr, Nathan Buckley,James Hird, Chris Judd, Dustin Martin, Michael Voss

[Cleansweep17]

Make sure you do the whole finals series, and supply each series' best 3 players.

I’ll do Gary Ayers medal voting 1.5x weighting in GFs. That crushes his chances immediately.

 

[Fadge]

I’ll do Gary Ayers medal voting 1.5x weighting in GFs. That crushes his chances immediately.

Do it. Despite that only being introduced in the past few seasons. If that makes you more confident his performances will be downgraded.

I think you'll be surprised.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

You didn’t even consider NS in your tally meaning you think it’s inferior to a B&F in a s**t kicker side. Do you stand by that?

As I said, A NS is a reward for the performance in ONE game. Admittedly a very important game. It is a huge honour no doubt. But it does not compare to awards based on performance across the whole season. And you can only get a NS if your team gets you to a gf.
I mean Buckley has 1 NS from 2 losing grand finals. How do you fairly compare that with Dusty's 3 from 3 winning grand finals?
Even if you included Norm Smith's and discounted GAJ's GC bnf's, Dusty's still coming in last on that list on an objective awards basis.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Do it. Despite that only being introduced in the past few seasons. If that makes you more confident his performances will be downgraded.

I think you'll be surprised.

Well that’s what the finals MVP is now I’m afraid. Tough.

Shows how good Dusty was that he won all 3 without the weighting help.

 

[PhatBoy]

Ok prove me wrong. Rate his GFs great, good, average or poor. GO.

And actually his dad as well.

Good
Great
Great
Poor

Not sure what his dad has to do with it.
75 per cent of his big games huh? So what about his other big games. You said he flopped in 75 per cent of his biggest games. Don’t back away from it - he didn’t flop in them did he. And in all the other big games available to him he was pretty much either very good or exceptional as well. The fact that you’re clinging on to a game he played when he was 36 and a half years old like a life raft is pretty indicative of how desperate you are.

Probably the best ever played
Good
Bad
Bad
What’s your point.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Good
Great
Great
Poor

Not sure what his dad has to do with it.
75 per cent of his big games huh? So what about his other big games. You said he flopped in 75 per cent of his biggest games. Don’t back away from it - he didn’t flop in them did he. And in all the other big games available to him he was pretty much either very good or exceptional as well. The fact that you’re clinging on to a game he played when he was 36 and a half years old like a life raft is pretty indicative of how desperate you are.

Probably the best ever played
Good
Bad
Bad
What’s your point.

Wow that’s bad he’s a non factor in 07 and wouldn’t get any votes. Yet he’s still good, either set your bar higher or we start rating Dustys godlike.

And if you don’t get the point of analysing GFs when talking about finals records. Then there is something seriously wrong.

 

[PhatBoy]

Wow that’s bad he’s a non factor in 07 and wouldn’t get any votes. Yet he’s still good, either set your bar higher or we start rating Dustys godlike.

And if you don’t get the point of analysing GFs when talking about finals records. Then there is something seriously wrong.

20 touches a goal and 8 tackles (game high).
Oh yeah, that’s ’bad.’

I bet he was in a corner crying when he drunk winner’s piss that night after a 20 goal grand final victory.

‘Why oh why couldn’t I have been a bigger factor.’

This post exemplifies why you are laughed at mate.

Tell us about that 75 per cent flop rate again.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Good
Great
Great
Poor

Not sure what his dad has to do with it.
75 per cent of his big games huh? So what about his other big games. You said he flopped in 75 per cent of his biggest games. Don’t back away from it - he didn’t flop in them did he. And in all the other big games available to him he was pretty much either very good or exceptional as well. The fact that you’re clinging on to a game he played when he was 36 and a half years old like a life raft is pretty indicative of how desperate you are.

Probably the best ever played
Good
Bad
Bad
What’s your point.

And again you are rating the following

19 and 1 as good

25 and 1 as great

This is utter delusion.

They are respectively average and good. Prestia gets those numbers and you guys don’t bat an eye.

 

[Cleansweep17]

As I said, A NS is a reward for the performance in ONE game. Admittedly a very important game. It is a huge honour no doubt. But it does not compare to awards based on performance across the whole season. And you can only get a NS if your team gets you to a gf.
I mean Buckley has 1 NS from 2 losing grand finals. How do you fairly compare that with Dusty's 3 from 3 winning grand finals?
Even if you included Norm Smith's and discounted GAJ's GC bnf's, Dusty's still coming in last on that list on an objective awards basis.

If you got rid of the awards in non premiership years Dusty flogs all of them. That’s why he’s great.

But you go ahead and watch those replays at Gold Coast. Must be insane. I bet you even forgot about them till this discussion.

 

[Fadge]

And again you are rating the following

19 and 1 as good

25 and 1 as great

This is utter delusion.

They are respectively average and good. Prestia gets those numbers and you guys don’t bat an eye.

Just make sure you watch the games as opposed to analysing via AFLTABLES.COM

 

[Cleansweep17]

Just make sure you watch the games as opposed to analysing via AFLTABLES.COM

Oh I remember them well. Ablett 09 GF would struggle to be in the top 5 players on the ground. But it’s apparently “GREAT” with 2 NS votes which are both 1’s.

 

[Fadge]

Oh I remember them well. Ablett 09 GF would struggle to be in the top 5 players on the ground. But it’s apparently “GREAT” with 2 NS votes which are both 1’s.

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Sharing that is not you watching the game.

Equal 4th best on the ground in Norm Smith votes, one of 3 players to receive votes from multiple judges. Best midfielder on the ground despite a hard tag, wet conditions, involved in the play that sealed the result.

Will be interesting to see whether he receives the 3, 2, 1, or 0 in your Gary Ayres Medal equivalent voting system. (Assuming Chapman and Gram receive the 5 and 4)

Anyway, assess in consideration of his other finals - you know, the games where apparently he flopped in 75% of them....

 

[PhatBoy]

Oh I remember them well. Ablett 09 GF would struggle to be in the top 5 players on the ground. But it’s apparently “GREAT” with 2 NS votes which are both 1’s.

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Hang in, you said he flopped?

 

[Cleansweep17]

Sharing that is not you watching the game.

Equal 4th best on the ground in Norm Smith votes, one of 3 players to receive votes from multiple judges. Best midfielder on the ground despite a hard tag, wet conditions, involved in the play that sealed the result.

Will be interesting to see whether he receives the 3, 2, 1, or 0 in your Gary Ayres Medal equivalent voting system. (Assuming Chapman and Gram receive the 5 and 4)

Anyway, assess in consideration of his other finals - you know, the games where apparently he flopped in 75% of them....

07 nothing

08 2 votes

09 nothing

He’s only top 3 once and it was 2nd place. But it goes to 3 votes with GF weighting. So at least he’s got that.

2020 is also nothing

That’s why I said 75%. 3/4 GFs don’t get top 3 from anybody. Even the NS voters.

 

[PhatBoy]

And again you are rating the following

19 and 1 as good

25 and 1 as great

This is utter delusion.

They are respectively average and good. Prestia gets those numbers and you guys don’t bat an eye.

If Prestia or anyone else played Ablett’s game in the 2009 grand final irrespective of numbers - and we all know you’ve never bothered watching the game - anyone would walk away and say he’d played a great game.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Hang in, you said he flopped?

Maybe I have high standards but 25% great game odds is a flop.

 

[Fadge]

07 nothing

08 2 votes

09 nothing

He’s only top 3 once and it was 2nd place. But it goes to 3 votes with GF weighting. So at least he’s got that.

2020 is also nothing

That’s why I said 75%. 3/4 GFs don’t get top 3 from anybody. Even the NS voters.

Hang on.

You're doing Gary Ayres Medal votes - top 5 on the ground.

But enough of these bits and pieces.

Top 3 players across each of the finals series between 2007 and 2010.

Looking forward to the results being in on Monday.

 

[Cleansweep17]

If Prestia or anyone else played Ablett’s game in the 2009 grand final irrespective of numbers - and we all know you’ve never bothered watching the game - anyone would walk away and say he’d played a great game.

Prestia kicked 28 and 2 in the 2019 prelim where we came back from behind. It’s better than GAJs 25 and 1 and nobody is pumping up Dion.

 

[Fadge]

Prestia kicked 28 and 2 in the 2019 prelim where we came back from behind. It’s better than GAJs 25 and 1 and nobody is pumping up Dion.

Ok. Let's increase this list to 7 players and include Dion Prestia.

FFS

 

[Cleansweep17]

Ok. Let's increase this list to 7 players and include Dion Prestia.

FFS

Why would you say that? That’s pretty deranged.

 

[Fadge]

No I said top 3 gets votes

GAJ got equal 4th barely so he gets no votes. Do you actually read?

So you're working out the retrospective Gary Ayres Medallists, though only giving votes to the top 3 on the ground (instead of 5), and giving a 1.5 rating for the Grand Final that was only introduced in 2022?

Why don't you just do it properly?

The expectation is that you do it properly, and then give the final top 3 players for each of the finals series between 2007 and 2010.

Do it properly or don't bother doing it at all.

 

[Cleansweep17]

So you're working out the retrospective Gary Ayres Medallists, though only giving votes to the top 3 on the ground (instead of 5), and giving a 1.5 rating for the Grand Final that was only introduced in 2022?

Why don't you just do it properly?

Then you're giving the final top 3 players for each of the finals series between 2007 and 2010.

Norm Smith votes are given on a 3,2,1 rating system and Gary Ayers are 1.5x GF votes. What tf is wrong with you?

 

[Fadge]

Norm Smith votes are given on a 3,2,1 rating system and 1.5x GF votes. What tf is wrong with you?

Maybe explain what you're planning to work out, and how you're planning to work it out. Then we can determine whether it's going to be worth our while to read it.

Because it seems you're tying yourself in knots.

The x1.5 factor has been applied to the Coaches votes in the Grand Final for the Gary Ayres Medal since 2022. Each coach votes 5, 4 3, 2, 1.

The x1.5 factor has absolutely nothing to do with the Norm Smith Medal voting, and the Norm Smith Medal voting has nothing to do with the Gary Ayres Medal (though it would be reasonable to use the Norm Smith Medal votes as input when determining the retrospective Gary Ayres Medal Coaches votes).

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Dusty should be subbed out of the thread list for Harvey or Dangerfield or Ricuitto or Cousins

Ranked by AA, BNF, Brownlow:

R Harvey 8, 4, 2
Dangerfield: 8, 4, 1
Ricciuto: 8, 3, 1
Cousins: 6, 4, 1
Pendlebury: 6, 5, 0
Neale: 3, 5, 2
Goodes: 4, 3, 2
Mitchell: 5, 3, 1
Swan: 5, 3, 1
B Harvey: 4, 5, 0
Cripps: 3, 4, 1
McLeod : 5, 3, 0
Fyfe: 3, 3, 2
Black: 3, 3, 1
Gawn: 6, 2, 0
Martin: 4, 2, 1
Akermanis: 4, 2, 1
Cochin: 1, 3, 1

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Using AA and Bnf and Brownlow to rank them:

Ablett: 8, 6, 2
Buckley: 7, 6, 1
Judd: 6, 5, 2
Hird: 5, 5, 1
Voss: 5, 5, 1
Martin: 4, 2,

But we are comparing Dusty and GAJ in this thread so it’s 1 NS in a winning GF or 4 B&Fs in a shitkicker side with the 18 year olds. So you think the B&Fs are superior then?

David Teague won a BNF, they mean sfa when trying to judge greatness.

Leigh Matthew’s trophy is prob the best indicator of who was the best player in the comp and more relevant than any of thise listed. .https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leigh_Matthews_Trophy

GAJ 5
Judd 2
Voss 2
Dusty 1

Buckley & Hird 0