Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[freddy mercury]

We are a horribly racist country. There are many good people who are not but there are still many who are

Reminds me of the time I wasn't able to sit in a Chinese restaurant at 530pm without a soul there, they were apparently booked out.

 

[Roby]

If it doesn't get up, are the ones who voted no racists? We'd have over half the country touted as racists.

Correct.

Virtually my whole family and all their friends, half of my friends, half the people I've worked with are all racists. I'm not surprised how many vehemently want to vote no.

 

[Gough]

Correct.

Virtually my whole family and all their friends, half of my friends, half the people I've worked with are all racists. I'm not surprised how many vehemently want to vote no.

You should ask them why they're so comfortable being lied to.

 

[the_interloper]

No.


Does this clarify my position? Or would you like me to try and explain it more clearly?

I believe I get what you’re saying and I think we’re in agreeance

 

[HairyO]

Correct.

Virtually my whole family and all their friends, half of my friends, half the people I've worked with are all racists. I'm not surprised how many vehemently want to vote no.

What if they claim to be listening to Lidia Thorpe in voting no ?

That must be a real conscience challenger for many.

 

[mcnulty]

This thread is full of information, explanations, engagement and inclusion

You’re kidding, right? We’ve had MODS in here labelling people with opposing views racist.

 

[Gough]

You’re kidding, right? We’ve had MODS in here labelling people with opposing views racist.

Truth hurts.

 

[mcnulty]

Truth hurts.

Hurts, lol. You couldn't knock the fuzz off a peach mate.

 

[Gough]

Hurts, lol. You couldn't knock the fuzz off a peach mate.

This is just like the same sex marriage vote, it encourages a section of our society to be the worst versions of themselves. All that latent bigotry is suddenly given an outlet.

 

[campbell]

IMO people should complete corragious conversations education.

Uncomfortable, but neccessary for all.

 

[South of the Yarra]

What if they claim to be listening to Lidia Thorpe in voting no ?

That must be a real conscience challenger for many.

Why?

 

[HairyO]

Why?

Because voting no is racist but also voting no is not?

Do you vote yes with the mainstream movement or vote no with the race baiters like Thorpe?

I assume it must give many quite the headache.

 

[Gough]

Why is it people who dismiss Lidia Thorpe as a nutter ninety nine percent of suddenly get very excited about her opinion on the Voice?

 

[Roby]

What if they claim to be listening to Lidia Thorpe in voting no ?

That must be a real conscience challenger for many.

I'm not sure many of them know who she is. The ones that do probably think what a good little servant doing as she's told.

 

[HairyO]

I'm not sure many of them know who she is. The ones that do probably think what a good little servant doing as she's told.

Im pretty sure they all know, and many of the white-guilt types think Thorpe saying there is currently a war isnt going far enough.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Brutal.

The Betoota Advocate's Top 6 Reasons Why The Indigenous Voice Is A Bad Idea

CLANCY OVERELL | Editor | CONTACT In case you haven’t been across the news lately, Australia’s media pundits and political commentators are mortified by the Albanese Government’s decision to hold a national referendum over whether or not we should include Aboriginal people in the constitution...

www.betootaadvocate.com

 

[freddy mercury]

You’re kidding, right? We’ve had MODS in here labelling people with opposing views racist.

Now way? Mods on here are incredibly precious.

 

[freddy mercury]

Why is it people who dismiss Lidia Thorpe as a nutter ninety nine percent of suddenly get very excited about her opinion on the Voice?

She's one of the reasons I'm voting no. One of.

 

[Roby]

She's one of the reasons I'm voting no. One of.

We know what the 'other" reasons are.

 

[schneebly111]

Correct.

Virtually my whole family and all their friends, half of my friends, half the people I've worked with are all racists. I'm not surprised how many vehemently want to vote no.

I understand indigenous culture is better taught in schools these days - they apparently do an acknowledgment of country before class each day. But I’m in my 30s and definitely didn’t happen when I was in school, so it’s only a small proportion of the voting public who grew up in that era.

“Truth” should’ve come before a referendum vote. Can’t get a majority to agree with you if that majority inherently dislike those people in the first place.

Truth is it’s still acceptable to make racist jokes and remakes against Indigenous people behind closed doors. This referendum isn’t about constitutional change, it’s “do you like Aboriginals or not?” And a lot of people can’t wait to vote No as if that will stop Acknowledgment of Country or the flying of the Aboriginal flag.

Maybe Albo just needs to point to Newman’s racism and use it as an excuse to stop the vote as “Aboriginals are suffering” instead of having a majority formalise it in a referendum.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Maybe Albo just needs to point to Newman’s racism and use it as an excuse to stop the vote as “Aboriginals are suffering” instead of having a majority formalise it in a referendum.

Newman is not very well known outside of Victoria.

 

[mcnulty]

I understand indigenous culture is better taught in schools these days - they apparently do an acknowledgment of country before class each day. But I’m in my 30s and definitely didn’t happen when I was in school, so it’s only a small proportion of the voting public who grew up in that era.

“Truth” should’ve come before a referendum vote. Can’t get a majority to agree with you if that majority inherently dislike those people in the first place.

Truth is it’s still acceptable to make racist jokes and remakes against Indigenous people behind closed doors. This referendum isn’t about constitutional change, it’s “do you like Aboriginals or not?” And a lot of people can’t wait to vote No as if that will stop Acknowledgment of Country or the flying of the Aboriginal flag.

Maybe Albo just needs to point to Newman’s racism and use it as an excuse to stop the vote as “Aboriginals are suffering” instead of having a majority formalise it in a referendum.

People don’t need acknowledgement of country to know our history. I don’t think there’s a lack of knowledge about colonisation/dispossession. Maybe amongst new arrivals.

 

[freddy mercury]

I understand indigenous culture is better taught in schools these days - they apparently do an acknowledgment of country before class each day. But I’m in my 30s and definitely didn’t happen when I was in school, so it’s only a small proportion of the voting public who grew up in that era.

“Truth” should’ve come before a referendum vote. Can’t get a majority to agree with you if that majority inherently dislike those people in the first place.

Truth is it’s still acceptable to make racist jokes and remakes against Indigenous people behind closed doors. This referendum isn’t about constitutional change, it’s “do you like Aboriginals or not?” And a lot of people can’t wait to vote No as if that will stop Acknowledgment of Country or the flying of the Aboriginal flag.

Maybe Albo just needs to point to Newman’s racism and use it as an excuse to stop the vote as “Aboriginals are suffering” instead of having a majority formalise it in a referendum.

Before EVERY class? Every single one?

 

[Roby]

Before EVERY class? Every single one?

He said before class EACH day. That's once a day. Are RW always this bad at language even when it's their first language?

 

[Gralin]

She's one of the reasons I'm voting no. One of.

So you support the black sovereign movement?