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KERRPOW said:
You could argue bad trading is part of the core values of the cockburners
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I think their culture is absolutely ****ed. Jlo can come in a clear out shit players but to change the entire perception of an organisation is difficult, if not impossible. It starts from the top down and includes a complete overhaul of their entire operations to effectively rebrand them, with years and years of lost trust that they need to rebuild with their supporters. The issue is the history and core values ingrained in the club are pretty toxic and it's now become a destination where players go to retire, take the piss or lose games.

Not slandering Cockburn either- but as a young, professional, egotistical sportsperson you're not dreaming of driving 45 minutes south of Perth everyday to train at Cockburn. It's just not glamorous or appealing.
 
Getting very untidy at Collingwood.

Nathan Buckley and Adam Treloar have held ‘robust’ conversations over star midfielder’s Collingwood future


Adam Treloar is unwilling to take a pay cut to relieve Collingwood of his $4.5 million contract impasse as Nathan Buckley was on Monday forced to defend the club’s conduct in an increasingly messy saga.
Collingwood continues to push hard to jettison Treloar after an official meeting last week and several phone conversations between the midfielder and coach Buckley.

The Herald Sun believes several senior teammates are upset that Treloar has been used as a scapegoat for the club’s salary cap issues.

Treloar’s conversations with Buckley have been particularly robust at stages.


It is understood Treloar was prepared to push back his salary from previous contracts multiple times to allow the Pies to recruit the likes of Dayne Beams and Daniel Wells in recent years.

Now the Pies are unwilling to commit to his salary, and while Hawthorn didn’t not rule out a late bid for him, there are few suitors prepared to absorb the $900,000-a-season wage.


In effect his generosity in helping the salary cap issues of a club he chose when he left GWS has been used against him.

It again throws the spotlight on back-ended contracts such as the one held by Treloar and Jeremy Cameron given the fraught nature of those deals.

Gold Coast has ruled itself out because it does not believe Treloar has any interest in moving north and is aware of his massive salary obligations.

Hawthorn list boss Graham Wright said of Treloar on Monday the club would “never say never” but said the club was an interested observer.

Clubs would need his wage to be subsidised but Collingwood had not indicated to the Suns in discussions that it was prepared to cover any of Treloar’s deal.

Rival clubs are also aware that if the Pies do not believe Treloar can survive a year in a long-distance relationship with netballing partner Kim Ravaillion, then he is unlikely to see out a five-season deal interstate.
 
campaigner___ said:
I think their culture is absolutely f’ed. Jlo can come in a clear out sh*t players but to change the entire perception of an organisation is difficult, if not impossible. It starts from the top down and includes a complete overhaul of their entire operations to effectively rebrand them, with years and years of lost trust that they need to rebuild with their supporters. The issue is the history and core values ingrained in the club are pretty toxic and it's now become a destination where players go to retire, take the piss or lose games.

Not slandering Cockburn either- but as a young, professional, egotistical sportsperson you're not dreaming of driving 45 minutes south of Perth everyday to train at Cockburn. It's just not glamorous or appealing.
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Plus the inbuilt dna that everyone and every thing is against them. Such a bag of losers. They actually think the get bad umpiring becuase it sells more news papers.

That sums it up.

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MadMundy said:
I agree, he's got the talent in him, and without him we're only down to two key forwards on the entire list. Unless we're getting another forward this just looks dumb, Brown has chosen the Dees, Mihocek has chosen to re-sign, I don't know what we're doing here.
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Salary cap relief?

Might be a trigger for the Clarke/Hogan/Cameron trade scenario?
 

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Tugga27 said:
Getting very untidy at Collingwood.

Nathan Buckley and Adam Treloar have held ‘robust’ conversations over star midfielder’s Collingwood future


Adam Treloar is unwilling to take a pay cut to relieve Collingwood of his $4.5 million contract impasse as Nathan Buckley was on Monday forced to defend the club’s conduct in an increasingly messy saga.
Collingwood continues to push hard to jettison Treloar after an official meeting last week and several phone conversations between the midfielder and coach Buckley.

The Herald Sun believes several senior teammates are upset that Treloar has been used as a scapegoat for the club’s salary cap issues.

Treloar’s conversations with Buckley have been particularly robust at stages.


It is understood Treloar was prepared to push back his salary from previous contracts multiple times to allow the Pies to recruit the likes of Dayne Beams and Daniel Wells in recent years.

Now the Pies are unwilling to commit to his salary, and while Hawthorn didn’t not rule out a late bid for him, there are few suitors prepared to absorb the $900,000-a-season wage.


In effect his generosity in helping the salary cap issues of a club he chose when he left GWS has been used against him.

It again throws the spotlight on back-ended contracts such as the one held by Treloar and Jeremy Cameron given the fraught nature of those deals.

Gold Coast has ruled itself out because it does not believe Treloar has any interest in moving north and is aware of his massive salary obligations.

Hawthorn list boss Graham Wright said of Treloar on Monday the club would “never say never” but said the club was an interested observer.

Clubs would need his wage to be subsidised but Collingwood had not indicated to the Suns in discussions that it was prepared to cover any of Treloar’s deal.

Rival clubs are also aware that if the Pies do not believe Treloar can survive a year in a long-distance relationship with netballing partner Kim Ravaillion, then he is unlikely to see out a five-season deal interstate.
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Incredible to think this is actually happening tbh
 
Monocle said:
What a cluster fu(k the Hogan sage has been for The Violet Crumbles.

Traded picks 6 & 23 for Hogan and lost Neale to get those picks.

Good to see the resplendent feather in his cap for Peter Bell.

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Is now looking like this ..... time has not been kind...... sigh feather appears to have been lost.


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AND that means they would have had Ben King or Rozee at their club had they not traded for Hogan. Now that is decent compensation for Neale. You would live with that.

Instead it’s an addition to a long list of failed trades.
 
Biggie said:
Incredible to think this is actually happening tbh
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Agree and its the ugly sleezy side of Football Administration.

If the article is a true account of whats gone down, then its seems pretty unreasonable to ask AT to move some of his previous years coin so that they could afford Wells and Beams and then when its time to pay the ferryman, they try to rejig the deal.

Actually pretty disappointed in Collingwood, that they have firstly let the situation come to this and secondly to play it out in the media.
 
Biggie said:
Incredible to think this is actually happening tbh
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If Treloar has deferred payments at the behest of the club and they a now reluctant to pay, I think that regardless of how this ends, he should somehow make a public statement as warning to future Collingwood players not to do something similar as the club will have no problem trying to rip them off.

Although 2020 has left me in a miserable and petty mood, so and I am more likely to burn bridges than I would have previously. Especially if I had been earning a reasonable salary for the last few years like Treloar and could check out and live a modest life from savings.
 
FKASC said:
It’s pretty ironic that Freo tried so hard to get a big fish KPF in the door, finally got two (McCrafty and Hoges), yet the one to perform best was old mate Taberner all along
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Its not a good read.



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Actually its a very VERY entertaining read :tongueoutv1: ...... sorry I don't hide schadenfreude well.

Then again its sums the Club up pretty well all three players came to Fremantle with a chip on their shoulders.

They all must have been attracted to the Violet Crumble Supporters who have chips on both shoulders.
 

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campaigner___ said:
I think their culture is absolutely f’ed. Jlo can come in a clear out sh*t players but to change the entire perception of an organisation is difficult, if not impossible. It starts from the top down and includes a complete overhaul of their entire operations to effectively rebrand them, with years and years of lost trust that they need to rebuild with their supporters. The issue is the history and core values ingrained in the club are pretty toxic and it's now become a destination where players go to retire, take the piss or lose games.

Not slandering Cockburn either- but as a young, professional, egotistical sportsperson you're not dreaming of driving 45 minutes south of Perth everyday to train at Cockburn. It's just not glamorous or appealing.
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Richmond did it. Took 30 years but they went from ninthmond to winning flags.
 
Tugga27 said:
Getting very untidy at Collingwood.

Nathan Buckley and Adam Treloar have held ‘robust’ conversations over star midfielder’s Collingwood future


Adam Treloar is unwilling to take a pay cut to relieve Collingwood of his $4.5 million contract impasse as Nathan Buckley was on Monday forced to defend the club’s conduct in an increasingly messy saga.
Collingwood continues to push hard to jettison Treloar after an official meeting last week and several phone conversations between the midfielder and coach Buckley.

The Herald Sun believes several senior teammates are upset that Treloar has been used as a scapegoat for the club’s salary cap issues.

Treloar’s conversations with Buckley have been particularly robust at stages.


It is understood Treloar was prepared to push back his salary from previous contracts multiple times to allow the Pies to recruit the likes of Dayne Beams and Daniel Wells in recent years.

Now the Pies are unwilling to commit to his salary, and while Hawthorn didn’t not rule out a late bid for him, there are few suitors prepared to absorb the $900,000-a-season wage.


In effect his generosity in helping the salary cap issues of a club he chose when he left GWS has been used against him.

It again throws the spotlight on back-ended contracts such as the one held by Treloar and Jeremy Cameron given the fraught nature of those deals.

Gold Coast has ruled itself out because it does not believe Treloar has any interest in moving north and is aware of his massive salary obligations.

Hawthorn list boss Graham Wright said of Treloar on Monday the club would “never say never” but said the club was an interested observer.

Clubs would need his wage to be subsidised but Collingwood had not indicated to the Suns in discussions that it was prepared to cover any of Treloar’s deal.

Rival clubs are also aware that if the Pies do not believe Treloar can survive a year in a long-distance relationship with netballing partner Kim Ravaillion, then he is unlikely to see out a five-season deal interstate.
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Collingwood has a choice between treloar and degoey and they have chosen degoey, quite incorrectly I think. This could derail them for a number of seasons.
 
Another little gem from The Age article, '...when a deal for Hogan is likely to involve whatever pick the Giants receive from West Coast for trading small forward Zac Langdon to the Eagles.'

Freo, forever getting our seconds or in this case our third. :rainbow:
 

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ep2018 said:
They needed the pick for Steven May. Not sure they'd have shipped him off otherwise.
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Yeah so the dodgy foot and off field issues had nothing to do with why they were keen to let him go? Join the dots man
 
Biggie said:
Salary cap relief?

Might be a trigger for the Clarke/Hogan/Cameron trade scenario?
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Yeah that's definitely a possibility, if we ended up getting Clark out of all of this I'd be stoked. At the end of the day, we gave Hogan a go, it didn't work out, it sucks but that's life. We gave him all the resources he needed to get himself right but he didn't take advantage of it, which he admitted on his little farewell speech. I hope he gets himself right at GWS, onwards and upwards.
 
MadMundy said:
Yeah that's definitely a possibility, if we ended up getting Clark out of all of this I'd be stoked. At the end of the day, we gave Hogan a go, it didn't work out, it sucks but that's life. We gave him all the resources he needed to get himself right but he didn't take advantage of it, which he admitted on his little farewell speech. I hope he gets himself right at GWS, onwards and upwards.
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Well onwards anyway.;)
 
Rowan18 said:
Richmond did it. Took 30 years but they went from Premiershipmond to winning flags.
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I actually worked with some academics in my previous job who spent about 3 years studying the psychological perception of AFL supporters and their clubs. They researched why people barrack for particular teams and how they feel it represents them. It was very very very interesting.

I worked in branding and was apart of the previous Freo rebrand project. Some of the shit we uncovered during the interviewing phase was telling. The foundation they're built on is so cracked. They've really cemented their target member as the 'hard-done-by'.
 
campaigner___ said:
I actually worked with some academics in my previous job who spent about 3 years studying the psychological perception of AFL supporters and their clubs. They researched why people barrack for particular teams and how they feel it represents them. It was very very very interesting.

I worked in branding and was apart of the previous Freo rebrand project. Some of the sh*t we uncovered during the interviewing phase was telling. The foundation they're built on is so cracked. They've really cemented their target member as the 'hard-done-by'.
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It absolutely seemed like that at the time around 2001. From what I remember is they were having a tough time but when Cameron Schwab got in there he really pushed the us v them mentality in the supporter base and it galvanised them. The only thing being is that it permeated through the whole club in that just winning/playing well in derbies got people re-signed during those years. Its how Mark Harvey got a senior gig its how Shaun McManus lasted as long as he did etc.
 
Oxirane said:
If Treloar has deferred payments at the behest of the club and they a now reluctant to pay, I think that regardless of how this ends, he should somehow make a public statement as warning to future Collingwood players not to do something similar as the club will have no problem trying to rip them off.

Although 2020 has left me in a miserable and petty mood, so and I am more likely to burn bridges than I would have previously. Especially if I had been earning a reasonable salary for the last few years like Treloar and could check out and live a modest life from savings.
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If treloar does shift clubs, would he be able to take collingwood to court to recoup the backended portion of his contract?
 
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