Religon V Technology

[TheBloods]

Well, maybe, but the numerical system was unequivocally an eastern innovation, as was many of the technological innovations like paper, gunpowder and the compass. No doubt Greece was an equal contributor but the main point here i that they weren't Christian developments.

No, I agree.

 

[Magnum]

Technology removes your cancer, gives you a heart bypass, replaces a failed kidney, etc - Praying to 'god' doesn't.

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[linga_is_no1]

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I just doubt the Christians were the cradle of learning, it wasn't until the 200s and 300s that Christianity really developed into a social movement, and it's main proponents of Aquinas and Augustine for instance weren't that interested in say answering scientific problems or developing such structures.

Many of scientific advances came from the East notably China and Muslim world, however in europe up until recently it was the Church which was the centre of learning. Monasteries were the centres of writing, history, reading, philosophy, they were also hospitals, astrology centres and agricultural centres. Practically all farming methods were centered on monasteries as were many health ones. Augustine and Aquinas were philosophers not scientists, the Jesuits are a good example of Christian scientists. Anyway The Catholic Church invented the concept of a university and subsided many and still does. Universities are the centre of the learning and the Church gave us them.

Anyway, back to this nonsense about technology being evil.



'Religion' doesn't feed the masses or cure the sick. Science does.

End of debate I think.

So the universities the Church invented, just didn't happen? Know your topic.

Technology removes your cancer, gives you a heart bypass, replaces a failed kidney, etc - Praying to 'god' doesn't.

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So you say something and that's it? Thank God we have you to tell us when a thread can start and stop. As for your argument, you need to think. Science may save lives, but many of developments in science can be directly attributed to religion. For example if we didn't have The Catholic Church health system which has been running since the Middle Ages, and at one time was the only health system for hundreds of years, do you think we would be as advanced in health care today if wasn't for that? No, of course not, we would be decades behind. Religion and science go hand in hand, they subsidise each other.

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Anyway, back to this nonsense about technology being evil.



'Religion' doesn't feed the masses or cure the sick. Science does.

End of debate I think.

Bollocks.

Nature feeds the masses, not science.

Science ****s up nature.

 

[Chief]

Nature has never fed the masses. It feeds small populations.

Science - agriculture, animal husbandry, chemistry, genetics, physics, mathematics in finance and so on - is what supports the world's food needs from growing to transportation to market.

 

[Chief]

So the universities the Church invented, just didn't happen? Know your topic.

Which church invented the idea of school and research?

 

[AndSmithMustScore]

Nature has never fed the masses. It feeds small populations.

Science - agriculture, animal husbandry, chemistry, genetics, physics, mathematics in finance and so on - is what supports the world's food needs from growing to transportation to market.

If that's the case why do so many people give a shit about global warming?

If science can just go recreate the sun, the rain and the soil global warming is a total non issue.

 

[Chief]

You don't seem to understand, or you don't want to admit I'm right.

The elements exist in nature to support human life. To turn those elements into edible, accessible food for large populations takes the application of science.

Pest control, irrigation, mechanised transportation - just a few in a long list of advances made not by 'religion' but by science.

 

[bit_pattern]

If that's the case why do so many people give a shit about global warming?

If science can just go recreate the sun, the rain and the soil global warming is a total non issue.

Yes because the world is black and white, binary in nature. You can only have one or the other!

 

[Magnum]

So you say something and that's it?

Apparently

Thank God we have you to tell us when a thread can start and stop.

No worries, but alas the thread continues!

As for your argument, you need to think. Science may save lives, but many of developments in science can be directly attributed to religion. For example if we didn't have The Catholic Church health system which has been running since the Middle Ages, and at one time was the only health system for hundreds of years, do you think we would be as advanced in health care today if wasn't for that? No, of course not, we would be decades behind. Religion and science go hand in hand, they subsidise each other.

A long bow to draw, but ok.

I'd suggest however, the single scientific breakthough of say, penacillin would trump that by a large amount, and that would be just a small percentage of the number of lives saved by science

 

[TheBloods]

it was the Church which was the centre of learning.

This just isn't right. It was a repository of knowledge, purely through the copying of ancient manuscripts (many of which they discarded as not being compatible with the Holy Scriptures), but there was no enquiry or analysis.

 

[bit_pattern]

Bloods, you are a ********!

 

[TheBloods]

Science may save lives, but many of developments in science can be directly attributed to religion. For example if we didn't have The Catholic Church health system which has been running since the Middle Ages, and at one time was the only health system for hundreds of years, do you think we would be as advanced in health care today if wasn't for that? No, of course not, we would be decades behind. Religion and science go hand in hand, they subsidise each other.

The state of health in western society in the early 19th century was still well behind that of the Romans. We did not go past the Romans in terms of health, sanitation, urban development until well into the 19th century when science really came to the fore. So the period of Europe where the Church was in its supremacy does not coincide with Western Europe's most advanced stages. They came both before and after that.

 

[Sloth]

. Monasteries were the centres of writing, history, reading, philosophy, they were also hospitals, astrology centres and agricultural centres.

Yep, because they had all the money. Until Henry VIII took it all anyway.

 

[Sloth]

Bollocks.

Nature feeds the masses, not science.

Science ****s up nature.

Science is nature you ****. or the study of it anyway.

 

[TheBloods]

Bollocks.

Nature feeds the masses, not science.

Science ****s up nature.

Do you know what life sciences and earth sciences and physics and chemistry etc are...?

 

[ManInTheArena]

The elements exist in nature to support human life. To turn those elements into edible, accessible food for large populations takes the application of science.

Pest control, irrigation, mechanised transportation - just a few in a long list of advances made not by 'religion' but by science.

I'm not sure if the word science is used in the right context most of the time on this board. IMO these things really have nothing to do with religion or science (unless it is used as a blanket word for everything that's not religion), it is simply because human beings by nature develop systems to make their life easier. It's human nature to make systems, that's why we constantly progress, that's why we invent technology from a sharp rock, spear, language, housing to computers and advanced technology. IMO the word science just can't get thrown over anything that equals technology and human progression even though at times it has played part.

 

[Chief]

Science is the basic process by which we determine how things work. The application of the scientific method has brought us the things we use every day.

Create a hypothesis, test it out, keep it if it works, discard it if it doesn't. If different results are observed, try new experiments to see if we can use these unexpected results to advantage.

This goes from "sharpen stick, try to kill animal, if it works keep doing it until something better is found" to researching nuclear medicine.

The scientific method. It works better than anything else you can think of.