USA Roe, the evangelicals and the war on choice

[Father Jack]

They have actually made a ruling based on a book of myth, legend and fantasy.

The American Taliban is emboldened and on the move.

In his concurring opinion last week, Chief Justice Tom Parker, an elected Republican, invoked similar reasoning.

"In summary, the theologically based view of the sanctity of life adopted by the People of Alabama encompasses the following: (1) God made every person in His image; (2) each person therefore has a value that far exceeds the ability of human beings to calculate; and (3) human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God, who views the destruction of His image as an affront to Himself."

Alabama justice invoked 'the wrath of a holy God' in IVF opinion. Is that allowed?

 

[dewcefault]

They have actually made a ruling based on a book of myth, legend and fantasy.

The American Taliban is emboldened and on the move.



Alabama justice invoked 'the wrath of a holy God' in IVF opinion. Is that allowed?

What's funny is that Alabama still has the death penalty which is a position that should be very difficult to support if you truly believe all of that

Somehow I don't think the people of Alabama would agree

 

[Father Jack]

What's funny is that Alabama still has the death penalty which is a position that should be very difficult to support if you truly believe all of that

Somehow I don't think the people of Alabama would agree

I assume that's why they inserted 'wrongfully destroyed' in there, to give them an out to murder anyone they see fit in the name of their god.

Of course if they felt that strongly about it they would have to get rid of the death penalty anyway lest any innocent godlike lives are wrongfully destroyed by accident, but I assume that just gets waved away somehow

 

[GreyWind]

If Alabama really cared they wouldn't have the worst maternal mortality rate in the US and the third worst infant morality rate.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

All three newly appointed Justices reaffirmed at their hearing that R v W was settled law.

The thing that gets my goat is that Roe vs Wade was at its heart an interpretation of the right to privacy, or the right not to disclose reasons for medical procedure.

It was NEVER codified as a human right.

According to this there were quite a few years in which U.S Democrats enjoyed majorities in both their Congress and Senate

Control of House and Senate since 1900 | The Spokesman-Review

Will the Republicans retain control of the Senate after Election Day in November? Or will Democrats wrestle it away from them and run both chambers on Capitol Hill? It’s way too early to say. Here’s how control of the House and Senate have shifted over the past 120 years:

www.spokesman.com

From 1973 till 1981 they had majority in both, then from 1987 to 1995, then from 2007 to 2011. In all those times nobody pushed for reproductive rights to be codified?

Roe vs Wade was just an interpretation of law, and interpretation is only as strong as the legal teams pushing for and against. In hindsight it is amazing that it was upheld for so long. It's a lesson to be learned - if you want human rights set them in legal concrete instead of making them out of balsa wood for f*ck's sake.

 

[Gralin]

The thing that gets my goat is that Roe vs Wade was at its heart an interpretation of the right to privacy, or the right not to disclose reasons for medical procedure.

It was NEVER codified as a human right.

According to this there were quite a few years in which U.S Democrats enjoyed majorities in both their Congress and Senate

Control of House and Senate since 1900 | The Spokesman-Review

Will the Republicans retain control of the Senate after Election Day in November? Or will Democrats wrestle it away from them and run both chambers on Capitol Hill? It’s way too early to say. Here’s how control of the House and Senate have shifted over the past 120 years:

www.spokesman.com

From 1973 till 1981 they had majority in both, then from 1987 to 1995, then from 2007 to 2011. In all those times nobody pushed for reproductive rights to be codified?

Roe vs Wade was just an interpretation of law, and interpretation is only as strong as the legal teams pushing for and against. In hindsight it is amazing that it was upheld for so long. It's a lesson to be learned - if you want human rights set them in legal concrete instead of making them out of balsa wood for f*ck's sake.

much more in fundraising off the back of it not being protected than actually doing anything about that

like many things in America,you need to elect us to protect you from the bad Republicans

oh we didnt do anything sorry, you need to elect us again for the same reasons

we get it here now too

with the parties mail dropping people asking for donations to help fund by elections to stop xxx from getting in and ruining everything

its all about keeping power or regaining power, that is the only result they care about

 

[GreyCrow]

My blood boils at the thought of these people having this power

 

[Satan]

My blood boils at the thought of these people having this power

I am angry and sad

 

[ferball]

The thing that gets my goat is that Roe vs Wade was at its heart an interpretation of the right to privacy, or the right not to disclose reasons for medical procedure.

It was NEVER codified as a human right.

According to this there were quite a few years in which U.S Democrats enjoyed majorities in both their Congress and Senate

Control of House and Senate since 1900 | The Spokesman-Review

Will the Republicans retain control of the Senate after Election Day in November? Or will Democrats wrestle it away from them and run both chambers on Capitol Hill? It’s way too early to say. Here’s how control of the House and Senate have shifted over the past 120 years:

www.spokesman.com

From 1973 till 1981 they had majority in both, then from 1987 to 1995, then from 2007 to 2011. In all those times nobody pushed for reproductive rights to be codified?

Roe vs Wade was just an interpretation of law, and interpretation is only as strong as the legal teams pushing for and against. In hindsight it is amazing that it was upheld for so long. It's a lesson to be learned - if you want human rights set them in legal concrete instead of making them out of balsa wood for f*ck's sake.

This stuff should be covered by the ninth amendment in the Bill of Rights tho.

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The US courts have consistently ignored it too. Fraudulent campaigners that they are.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

much more in fundraising off the back of it not being protected than actually doing anything about that

like many things in America,you need to elect us to protect you from the bad Republicans

oh we didnt do anything sorry, you need to elect us again for the same reasons

we get it here now too

with the parties mail dropping people asking for donations to help fund by elections to stop xxx from getting in and ruining everything

its all about keeping power or regaining power, that is the only result they care about

the Great Grift of two-party Democracy, eh? And yes, it's alive and well in this nation too. The Simpsons pretty much nailed it here;

 

[Spearman]

My blood boils at the thought of these people having this power

So, as always, instead of showing human, or even Christian, compassion and admit it was a horrific situation and maybe a mistake they can take onboard and fine tune their fricken law, they double down hard.

 

[ferball]

When did 10 year olds become women?

 

[Spearman]

When did 10 year olds become women?

old enough to bleed, old enough to breed is their motto

 

[ferball]

Scum.

 

[GreyCrow]

So, as always, instead of showing human, or even Christian, compassion and admit it was a horrific situation and maybe a mistake they can take onboard and fine tune their fricken law, they double down hard.

And yet if you ask the Right To Life group they won't make a noise about gun control.

Got to be born to be shot

 

[E Shed]

And yet if you ask the Right To Life group they won't make a noise about gun control.

Got to be born to be shot

 

[GreyWind]

When did 10 year olds become women?

Also while a woman's body is "designed to carry life" it's still high risk being pregnant and even higher risk birthing said child and even worse for a ******* child.

 

[Crankyhawk]

And yet if you ask the Right To Life group they won't make a noise about gun control.

Got to be born to be shot

I hope the 10 year old gets to shoot her rapist or the dumb* court. 2nd amendment justice style for the *******s

 

[Maggie5]

And yet if you ask the Right To Life group they won't make a noise about gun control.

Got to be born to be shot

Saw a great sign at a recent march, something like... .

Ignore abortion just like you do school shootings.

 

[bourbons]

My blood boils at the thought of these people having this power

She should be forcibly committed to a mental health institution, its at that level imo.

Imagine being cooked by your ideology to that degree

 

[Gough]

She should be forcibly committed to a mental health institution, its at that level imo.

Imagine being cooked by your ideology to that degree

But drag queens.

 

[CD Xbow]

On Thursday the Alabama legislature passed legislation to protect patients and doctors involved with in vitro fertilization in the event that embryos are damaged or destroyed. This reeks of a quick fix and doesn't address the courts ruling directly.

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/29/alabama-legislature-protects-ivf-treatment-embryo

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

On Thursday the Alabama legislature passed legislation to protect patients and doctors involved with in vitro fertilization in the event that embryos are damaged or destroyed. This reeks of a quick fix and doesn't address the courts ruling directly.

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/29/alabama-legislature-protects-ivf-treatment-embryo

Its an interesting case. On one hand I get why the parents are seeking damages due to mishandling of genetic material. I know a little bit about the IVF process. Only so many viable eggs can be collected per process and of those only so many might produce viable embryos. To the prospective parent/s who cant get pregnant any other
way the loss of such material would be emotionally devastating. Not to mention financially costly.

But on the other hand, such embryos just aren't children. They're seeds at that stage. Considering them as children with a human right to life is plain wrong.

 

[Chief]

But on the other hand, such embryos just aren't children. They're seeds at that stage.

For people who are looking at their last chance of children, they are a potential life path that could be taken from them by the negligence of professionals paid to apply their skills and knowledge.

But yes, they are not children.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

For people who are looking at their last chance of children, they are a potential life path that could be taken from them by the negligence of professionals paid to apply their skills and knowledge.

But yes, they are not children.

Yeah, that's essentially how I see it too.