Preview Round 1: North Melbourne v Adelaide

[MRB37]

Interesting - how can you have a disposal efficiency of 81% if you have 16 disposals and five errors?

Frees against count as clangers too if I recall correctly. He had 1 against the GC.

EDIT: dropped marks and fumbles under no pressure count as clangers too, so with a slippery ball he could have had a few from that too

 

[FR0GGY]

Can anybody help kristof?

 

[Scorpus]

What's interesting is that your so wedded to stats that you will inevitably overlook that he won 2 x 1/1 contests with the GCS's Tom Lynch, made a goal saving tackle as the ball was about to be kicked, killed numerous contests bring 3rd man up.

he deserves much better then he gets on here

I rate Cheney as a defender and I'll admit I overlooked his positive contributions in NAB 3. He deserves to be in the team (though I think he should be there along with Hartigan, Lever and Talia)

 

[Cap]

We should give Pyke a go before we get the pitchforks out.

Unfortunately we have had a long run of inexperienced head coaches who have played safe and selected the experienced, average players so we stay competitive.

The finish "eighth and anything can happen" mantra the club has put forward over the last decade has not helped these coaches to make difficult decisions - much easier to stay the line.

Hasn't helped the lack of a clean out of our assistant coaches when the new guy comes in, when was the last time one of our assistant coaches got poached?

do you really believe their selection has to do with new coaches and old assistant coaches?

I'm starting to think that I've under rated Mackay, VB is actually a good player,I'm just disappointed that we didn't find a replacement.

 

[dogs105]

Can anybody help kristof?

Someone must know!!

 

[Mattrox]

No clue. Can you have a Clanger without a disposal?

This has been rehashed for 3 seasons in a row.

Clangers are not an accurate way to assess disposal.

Neither is DE as a long disposal to a 50-50 is effective even if the opposition ends up with a ball, and you can lace out a teammate in a 50-50 contest in a short pass and it still is not effective... Or efficient rather.

 

[dogs105]

Someone must know!!

This has been rehashed for 3 seasons in a row.

Clangers are not an accurate way to assess disposal.

Neither is DE as a long disposal to a 50-50 is effective even if the opposition ends up with a ball, and you can lace out a teammate in a 50-50 contest in a short pass and it still is not effective... Or efficient rather.

Cool, thanks.

 

[Elite Crow]

You have described VB and Cheney as both being "medium defenders" about a dozen times.

Perhaps Brown would be that in our lineup. But VB isn't and Cheney isn't. One is a running half back and one is an undersized third tall. The end.

If your opinion is that Cheney could do VBs role - well, maybe. But obviously Smith and Seedsman and Hampton and Henderson would be better.

Seedsman has played half back through his career, has played behind the ball and outside for us, and HAS played some HBF in the NAB cup. The fact he's actually been named in that position for tmw maybe doesn't mean much - but neither does the fact that you saw him start in the wing at some Centre bounces. We absolutely tried him there - a lot - and will continue to see who of him and Smith can spend time there. But both will also be spending time on the HBF as part of rotations.

And you will see VB push into the midfield as well. Just as you have at periods in the preseason. Less than he may have three years ago, but it will happen - and it certainly couldn't with Cheney.

Back flankers NEED to be part of the midfield, as does Douggy etc who start forward.

And I WAS surprised to see the odd poster supporting your opinion. But - I never said your opinion wasn't odd.

It is because they are both mid sized defenders, one is 184cms the other 187cms. Let's dumb it down, we need to man up a mid size forward who is 185cms, could either player man up that forward?

I would put money on which one would do the better job as a defender.

As for playing a more attacking running role, it's just been pointed out to you that he had 5 score involvements against Gold Coast and his disposal efficiency was a lot better than you expected but on par with my recollection.

You can keep repeating it, but so far I haven't seen one poster support you that Seedsman has spent time on the half back flank for us.

I also can't recall one poster supporting your belief that VB has played in the midfield for us this preseason.

So far you seem to be basing a lot on your wrong opinions.

 

[Elite Crow]

Can anybody help kristof?

No

 

[Mego Red]

Can anybody help kristof?

Yeah, I'm still waiting for someone to explain that five clangers thing to me ...

 

[dogs105]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for someone to explain that five clangers thing to me ...

Maybe you can be awarded a Clanger for something else? Anyone?

 

[Mattrox]

Yeah, I'm still waiting for someone to explain that five clangers thing to me ...

Frees against or dropped marks under no pressure are clangers.

 

[MRB37]

Maybe you can be awarded a Clanger for something else? Anyone?

See my top post. Fumbles and dropped marks under no pressure count too, as do tap ons that go to the opposition. Probably had a few extra with the slippery ball.

 

[FR0GGY]

The same thing happens on Bigfooty I know of a poster with 1500 posts and 1600 clangers

 

[Stiffy_18]

Planned that with plenty of time to spare!

Never too late mate!

 

[FR0GGY]

Maybe you can be awarded a Clanger for something else? Anyone?

No one seems to be helping.

 

[FR0GGY]

Never too late mate!

True that!

 

[dogs105]

The same thing happens on Bigfooty I know of a poster with 1500 posts and 1600 clangers

Stuff you too!!!

 

[dogs105]

The same thing happens on Bigfooty I know of a poster with 1500 posts and 1600 clangers

Why can't you and Sanders just get along?

 

[FR0GGY]

Why can't you and Sanders just get along?

Because I'm chicken

 

[Mattrox]

Because I'm chicken

French chicken!

 

[FR0GGY]

French chicken!

Is horrible.

 

[whitey_1975]

Because I'm chicken

I love your humour dude.

 

[Mego Red]

It is because they are both mid sized defenders, one is 184cms the other 187cms. Let's dumb it down, we need to man up a mid size forward who is 185cms, could either player man up that forward?

I would put money on which one would do the better job as a defender.

As for playing a more attacking running role, it's just been pointed out to you that he had 5 score involvements against Gold Coast and his disposal efficiency was a lot better than you expected but on par with my recollection.

You can keep repeating it, but so far I haven't seen one poster support you that Seedsman has spent time on the half back flank for us.

I also can't recall one poster supporting your belief that VB has played in the midfield for us this preseason.

So far you seem to be basing a lot on your wrong opinions.

And you seem to be clutching at straws.

The midfield is not the centre bounce. Are you saying that half back flankers are not part of the midfield? Are you saying that?

Are you saying that Cheney has ever played as a rebounding, running option out of defense?

Are you saying that Chaney hasn't always played as a third tall for us or as an undersized key defender?

Seedsman spent the vast majority of his time in the midfield zone in the NAB cup. He also played behind the ball a lot to use his run and long kicking. Are you saying he never rotated through the half back line, or that he hasn't played there much of his career and could expect time there for us in the future?

I said that VB was part of the midfield rotations - all running half backs are. Do you deny this? Midfielders aren't Greg Williams anymore. VB spends less time in there than others - but even Laird rotates in.

But let's get to your first point.

Are you really defining a player based on height? In a time where midfielders are 191cm+? That's a pretty shallow analysis.

Are you really talking about "manning up?" You're not one of those supporters tha shout out "man up", are you?

Cheney is a bit taller than VB - but it's irrelevant when they're playing such vastly different roles. You don't replace VB with Cheney, you replace him with Henderson, Seedsman, Smith - well, I don't need to list them again.

And you don't need to mention Cheney's stats just to me. There was universal condemnation of him after the GC game. Maybe unfair, as the conditions were slippery - but let's not rewrite history. I wasn't even one of those who posted how terrible he was in that game.

 

[Mego Red]

But I'm happy to now agree with you EC if we can just stop going round in circles.