Round 19 Changes vs Carlton

[BeinPurplenGreen]

What happened to Mzungu?

Back/ribs -very clearly affected his ability to tackle and block in the last quarter which (for Gu) is a key part of his game. I hope he is OK but fear that he (like Silv) will be a casualty for the Carlton game.

 

[BananaOnTheRun]

What worries me is whether Waite and Henderson can do as they did against North. Very similar to Stanley and Riewoldt. Our defense looked to have no idea.

It's really hard to defend against 195-200cm forwards who mark at the highest point and St Kilda exploited our height deficiency today. We missed Sandi in the middle but we also missed his marks in defence. We needed to protect space better, we needed to win the ball in the middle, we needed to make more contests. Everything about our game was off today. We fumbled, our skills were sloppy, we gave the ball off to players under pressure, our handballs didn't hit their marks, there was no flow. It was like someone spiked our gatorade. Anyhoo, I think that stuff can be fixed before we meet the Blues.

 

[salim malik]

How is Hannath in any way relevant to the post of mine that you quoted??

I get that you like Zaarke and don't like Hananth, but how can anyone say Zaarke has been "a very good ruckman"??

Zaarke might have pace but without focused aggression, presence and contested marking, he is nothing more than Usain Bolt on a stepladder. Useless on an AFL field (especially for Ross Lyon) unless he plays hard tackling, aggressive chasing and lots of smothering/tackling/shepherds...

You mentioned Apeness or Hannath in to replace Clarke. If youre not sure of what you posted then I cant help you

 

[Cobbler]

I'll take a break from this thread.

Way too far out from next game and seems some must have hit the turps and their brain isn't functioning too well.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

You mentioned Apeness or Hannath in to replace Clarke. If youre not sure of what you posted then I cant help you

Actually, in the post you quoted, I did no such thing.

You quoted my post where I took issue with another person describing Zaarke being "a very good ruckman" - so do you think Zaarke is a "very good ruckman" or not??

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

I'll take a break from this thread.

Way too far out from next game and seems some must have hit the turps and their brain isn't functioning too well.

What, because I dare to suggest that the might that is Zaarke should be dropped??

I don't appreciate the insults about "turps" or "brain function", either, tough guy.

People are allowed to have an opinion on here, and I can't recall ever meeting you at a game over here during the years from 1998 to 2009 - and hence I wonder if you ever realised how bad East Coast games can be for Dockers fans??

 

[salim malik]

Actually, in the post you quoted, I did no such thing.

You quoted my post where I took issue with another person describing Zaarke being "a very good ruckman" - so do you think Zaarke is a "very good ruckman" or not??

Try reading your posts and yeh I do .The combination of Sandi and Clarke has been a winner for us
If you think Hannath,Apeness and Griff are in front of Clarke there is no hope for you and I'm out of here

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Try reading your posts and yeh I do .The combination of Sandi and Clarke has been a winner for us
If you think Hannath,Apeness and Griff are in front of Clarke there is no hope for you and I'm out of here

"there is no hope for you"​

Thanks, I appreciate the careful, reasoned response.

No doubt you think Zaarke can't be dropped because he is so far in front of any of the other options we have, and he has been such an exceptionally dominant "very good ruckman" performer all year.

Giving Zaarke such a free pass no doubt ensures that "no hopers" such as me will be proven wrong and Freo's excellence of second ruckwork will continue.

 

[salim malik]

"there is no hope for you"​

Thanks, I appreciate the careful, reasoned response.

No doubt you think Zaarke can't be dropped because he is so far in front of any of the other options we have, and he has been such an exceptionally dominant "very good ruckman" performer all year.

Giving Zaarke such a free pass no doubt ensures that "no hopers" such as me will be proven wrong and Freo's excellence of second ruckwork will continue.

Clarke actually averages more tackles per game than Ballas who is our noted pressure player
You are not a Clarke fan,fair enough thats your opinion.I think Clarke is our second best ruckman and a valuable tall chop out for Pav when he goes forward .Thats my opinion so lets leave it at that

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Clarke actually averages more tackles per game than Ballas who is our noted pressure player
You are not a Clarke fan,fair enough thats your opinion.I think Clarke is our second best ruckman and a valuable tall chop out for Pav when he goes forward .Thats my opinion so lets leave it at that

No, I won't leave it at that - answer the question:

• do you think Zac Clarke should stay in the team because we have no-one better to replace him??

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

I'd ask you if you thought he has been a "very good ruckman" but clearly you think he has been great all year.

 

[BeinPurplenGreen]

Clarke actually averages more tackles per game than Ballas who is our noted pressure player
You are not a Clarke fan,fair enough thats your opinion.I think Clarke is our second best ruckman and a valuable tall chop out for Pav when he goes forward .Thats my opinion so lets leave it at that

Actually I had Zac as my buddy last year and I think he is one of the top ten players on our list in terms of potential.

So I am in fact a fan of his!!

But no-one, absolutely no-one, should be carried when they fail to give effort or consistent hard endeavour, just because "there is no-one to replace them".

That applies as much to Barlow, Mundy and Pav as it does to Zac. And Zac's form has been far, far, far worse all of this year than anyone else in the current team bar Sylvia.

 

[Cobbler]

No, I won't leave it at that - answer the question:

• do you think Zac Clarke should stay in the team because we have no-one better to replace him??

A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

I'd ask you if you thought he has been a "very good ruckman" but clearly you think he has been great all year.

I made the comment about very good ruckman. Once again it was said WHEN ASSISTING SANDILANDS.

Isn't that the point of best 22? If no one is better then him, then he is best 22 and plays.

Only other option is to play Sandilands as a lone ruckman, but seeing as that's not what we do then the answer is very obvious despite your problem with this idea.

Let's drop a dozen players to 'send a message'. If that's what it's all about.

 

[332docker]

IN: Ballantyne, Sandilands, Hill, Silvagni (if McPharlin inj), ibbo (if fit)
OUT: Sylvia, Griffin, Taberner, McPharlin (if injured), sutcliffe (or Mora)(if ibbo is fit)

Mora (or Sutcliffe) back to Sub!

 

[The Speaker]

Sam Jacobs, Stefan Martin and Billy f##ckin Longer own Zaaarke!! and all are on a fraction of the wage and play with much greater intensity!!

Sam Jacobs has returned to his excellent 2012 form, and would be paid much better than Clarke. Currently the 2nd best ruckman in the comp.

Martin has always been a more-than-capable first ruck, but has normally been stuck behind a more senior player.

 

[Moo]

One of the worst days being a Freo fan.. Pathetic.

Back in the day - this would of been an honourable loss.

 

[andy_20]

In: Effort, heart and will to win
Out: laziness and shit skills

 

[Dirty_banchez]

The players looked tired. Acceleration off the mark to chase a player looked delayed, and general effort was non-existent. All credit to the Saints, they beat us all over the field as they came out to play. We just lack that killer instinct, we always have. We play teams into form, and it is something that needs to be corrected. The players should have expected a tight contest at the start of the game.

Sylvia will get dropped. He was played closer to goal in order to kick some goals for us, instead he was the invisible man.

 

[freo84]

RTB will sort em out. There's no need for unwarranted aggression about player A or player B doing nothing. Freo were smashed 'everywhere' so to place the blame on one particular player seems unfair.

We will have to put up with this loss for two weeks now so lets not jump to any conclusions.

 

[GilG]

In: Ballantyne, Hill, Ibbotson, Pav, Mzungu, Morabito, 16 Peel Thunder guys with actual passion, enthusiasm and at least a modicum of skills
Out: Any of yesterday's 22 not mentioned above

 

[rgauci]

I'm not sure exactly who gets left out. But I'd like to see a few structural changes. We have experimented with a few different players going forward, the only player to look threatening up forward out of our midfield brigade is Fyfe. Despite yesterdays destruction, our midfield generally wins its fair share of clearances. I'd like to see Fyfe spend 50/50 up forward.

Forget the Taberner, Apeness experiment for now. Neither are proving a concern for defenders, when I saw Roberton halve a contest against Taberner when he lost Fisher through hard work I realized the young key position players aren't ready. Most AFL ready key position players would destroy Roberton one on one. Not dissimilar to the way Stanley and Riewoldt tossed aside Duffield and Cam Sutcliffe when they lost Dawson, Johnson and McPharlin through long searching leads. Taberner has the work ethic, but midsized defenders can bring the ball to ground against him. We are better off with someone like Mayne or DeBoer who can bring ground level pressure.

I think Johnson is a liability rebounding the ball from defence. His turnovers into the middle of the ground are terrible. His form this year is poor despite him being back permanently, perhaps a stint forward might spark him into action. I think Silvagni could easily be the 2nd tall defender. I have greater confidence in Ibbo, Duffield and Spurr rebounding the ball effectively. McPharlin looks cooked. Sad to say but I'd leave him out at this stage, or until he has confidence in his body.

Backline:
Ibbo Dawson Spurr
Duffield Silvagni Sutcliffe

Midfield:
D.Pearce Mundy Barlow
Sandilands Hill Fyfe

Forward:
Mzungu Johnson Mayne
Ballantyne Pavlich Clarke

Int:
Neale, Suban, Crowley

Sub:
Morabito

So it becomes;
OUT: McPharlin, Griffin, Taberner, Sylvia, DeBoer
IN: Silvagni, Sandilands, Hill, Ibbo, Ballantyne

We have flexibility, if we are too short down back Johnson can swing back their. Having Fyfe and Johnson up front makes our forward line a lot more potent in the air. The midfield still runs deep. I'm disappointed I have to leave DeBoer out but he's either a starting 21 or not in the team.

 

[E Shed]

Thought Clarke was one of the few players who gave a target in transition. Led up hard through the middle & held his marks.
Depends who is available but Sylvia, Taberner & Griffin are definite outs.
Mora is a tricky one. He gives glimpses of being a cut above but isn't fit enough. Permanent super sub for now maybe.

 

[Allikat]

Hopefully Gu's injury is just a bit of muscle pain, and not a rib *fingers crossed*. RTB stated in the presser that Walters in v Carlton would pretty much be a miracle, so keeping him out for now.
I'm over Sylvia. He's done absolutely nothing, and he's had plenty of opportunities.

in: Sandi, Ballas, Hill, Ibbo, Silvagni
out: Sylvia, Griffen, Taberner, McPharlin (inj)

Mora back to sub, let de Boer start.

Don't know who should be the 5th out. No one played well, but not too many have played badly consistently.

I know Clarke's not smashing it, but he's not really played bad enough to get dropped, and it's not like Griff was putting his hand up to replace him.

 

[Simmofreo]

I really hope Gu is ok. People forget how important he is. And how many consecutive games he has played

 

[Gekko71]

Wholesale changes should not be considered IMO. Everyone was crap because - according to Pav - they were complacent and underestimated the Saints. This is the best explanation I've heard yet for why the team struggled so much to cover the outs.

That being said. I think include MTB for sylvia, and while Griff was miles off the pace, he still needs more game time. Morra as the sub till he gets more fitness and confidence back at AFL level.

I think a very hard look at the Peel relationship is also due. Previously I would feel more confident of our wafl players coming in and performing well - with the exception of Snos, they have all struggled to cope. The problem is not just the gap between AFL football and WAFL football - the problem is also the gap between peel and the rest of the wafl.

 

[mike91]

Why are people predicting de Boer will be dropped? He was one of few players who actually tried yesterday. When he came on, he instantly put on a bone crunching tackle, we were about 7 goals down at the time and that got me cheering. No way hes getting dropped in my opinion.