Autopsy Round 2 vs Bravedogs. Things learnt

[SilentHunter_]

Gill and the rules committee are taking the piss here and showing they're all out of their depth. Resign you campaigners. Blight on the game. And no not just for us but for the sake of everyone. No one even knows what the rules are anymore, not the fans, players, umps or the administration themselves. It has become a joke.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Disappointing to see Sydney fade after the fast start, starting with a brain fart from Zak Jones and his High bump on Cloke, WTF was he thinking.
Umps have been rightly scrutinised by the Media , will be interesting to see how many deliberate rushed frees are paid for the rest of the round.
Improved effort from the Port debacle , and again Reid stands out. Good effort considering the debutantes in the side, so things aren't all doom and gloom despite an 0-2 start.

I liked Jones' thinking & intent. He went in hard for the ball, was in mid air & couldn't pull out. I don't think he went in deliberately targeting Cloke for a bump... It just worked out that way (so yeah, ended up as a stupid bump). But the idea and intent was correct. Go hard for the footy & do not GAF about who's in the way. If they are then they'll know about it.

I loved it & hope he keeps doing it for the rest of his career with us.

 

[Deccas]

The game is getting to the point where as much as it would be a pain and would slow play down, we need an umpire upstairs reviewing every play live that can overturn poor decisions. That hold against aliir was the worst call i have ever seen.

Surely the afl needs to look at a game ask itself how can a free kick count be 31-18

Should probably start with professional umpires first and transparent oversight before we go down that route.

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[connolly]

Disappointing to see Sydney fade after the fast start, starting with a brain fart from Zak Jones and his High bump on Cloke, WTF was he thinking.
Umps have been rightly scrutinised by the Media , will be interesting to see how many deliberate rushed frees are paid for the rest of the round.
Improved effort from the Port debacle , and again Reid stands out. Good effort considering the debutantes in the side, so things aren't all doom and gloom despite an 0-2 start.

I will give you a clue what he was thinking." I have to spoil this drop kick and punt's (wharfie rhyming slang) attempt to mark and I am not gutless and will go in with guts". Or it might have been - ' By jove I mustn't upset this nice fellows equilibrium and not hurt him". Ever played the game mate?

 

[Superstar swan]

Loved horse's back handed criticism of the ump last night. " clearly wer doing it the wrong way", "we must not understand"...well handled

 

[Vin Rogue]

Because Sinclair has the AFL experience to perhaps cope with a full game at this stage. Cameron's time will come & it may be this week but I feel he needs multiple games in the NEAFL to learn the Swans game style.

Soundly reasoned. But what good is it if Sinclair knows the Swans game plan but can't take possession of the ball? He simply fails to mark the ball. Until that happens there is no upside at all. Better that we give the new ruck apprentice a crack at it. He can learn on the job.

 

[Vin Rogue]

Sinclair has to take a few marks. Simple as that.

Yes. He should be given a task in the NEAFL. Until he can take one contested mark each quarter, he will not be considered for senior selection.

 

[ezard15]

Sorry for the intrusion.

Just wanted to say I empathise with you if you are disappointed with the rushed free decision.

Seemed to me Sydney had the momentum and after that decision 'neutrals' like me were deprived of seeing a great last 10 minutes or so. Sydney were deprived of the opportunity to win.

Not sure as a fan how you can influence the AFL's policy on rules let alone umpires that can't interpret them correctly but last night was definitely an example where everyone was deprived of knowing who truly deserved to win.

Hopefully we will see some common sense moving forward.

 

[connolly]

What a farce you can't touch these rats. Always felt for them, but they're jumping on the bandwagon. Them and the cheating umps can go forth and multiply.

It was wonderful to hear the Fathead Chairman interviewed by the drunk after the game, waxing eloquent about thing he loves most money. Just how big is the Footscray bandwagon now?

 

[SilentHunter_]

Sorry for the intrusion.

Just wanted to say I empathise with you if you are disappointed with the rushed free decision.

Seemed to me Sydney had the momentum and after that decision 'neutrals' like me were deprived of seeing a great last 10 minutes or so. Sydney were deprived of the opportunity to win.

Not sure as a fan how you can influence the AFL's policy on rules let alone umpires that can't interpret them correctly but last night was definitely an example where everyone was deprived of knowing who truly deserved to win.

Hopefully we will see some common sense moving forward.

Forgetting the my team got robbed angle for a moment. Why is the AFL so hell bent on changing the fabric of the game? I just don't get it. Their rule changes are absolutely unnecessary. Not only that they're changed in the book without any clarification as to what it means. The fans, players, the umps, heck even the AFL themselves don't know what any of the rules mean and how they're supposed to be interpreted. It's a farce.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

I would rather Cunningham in the team right now than I would Jack.

I hope you are talking about BJ not Kizza... If Kizza. Then no freakin way mate.

One player puts everything on the line week in week out & looked upset upon the final siren and was getting around to the kids in the rooms after. The other is having a laugh not 5 seconds after the siren sounds after another display of "almosts (that should be enough to keep me with a contract)"

I've always been a supporter of Cunners and given him the benefit of the doubt. Last night I saw a few "efforts" that made me go "why do we let this joker steal a spot off blokes who actually give a shit?".

Drop our former captain who at least has a few good moments a game based on nothing but sheer will & determination for the bloke who could contribute more given a similar determination but doesn't?? No thanks.

 

[Tuco]

Not a fan of the 'victim must be getting it wrong' narrative we keep trotting out. It's weak, passive aggressive bullshit, that tbe AFL media regurgitates and leads nowhere.

Futile.

When asked I'd prefer our coaches to stare down the the jouno with furious eyes and say no comment than crap on about how we are getting it wrong.

This shizen about "maybe we need to train for frees better" concept can GAGF.

 

[Vin Rogue]

We lost the following; free kicks (18-31), contested possessions (153-169), tackles (74-84) and disposals (352-412) and yet I walked away feeling confident for the future, not only longer term, but for this season as well.

Some of the experienced players are struggling for form (and fitness?), the younger players mostly ran out of legs later in the game and we are conceding significantly more scores from the I50 entries that we normally do, yet I am comfortable that we have the talent, desire and endeavour to continue to compete and contend and that whilst obviously not ideal a 0-2 start, with the current depleted team, is far from a portent of a significant fall down the ladder.

One player I will mention who has received some mild criticism in this thread, but I believe no praise is Aliir.
A somewhat nervous start (and a horrible dropped mark), but yet again he demonstrated an ability to not drop his head, to take the game on and his ragdogging of million dollar Boyd was a sight to behold.
Aliir was playing only his 14th senior game tonight. I want to see him continue to take the game on, to fly for his marks, to use his strength, to show dare and leadership in the back half.
He is the future down back and I like he plays as if he knows it.

Love the way you think. The other focus which continues the positive vibe was how good our debutants were with their delivery of the ball. Newman's in particular was outstanding. Rarely seen skill in the red and white.

 

[J_Moore]

We had time to get back in it after that nonsense free. Can argue with the umpires call there, but can't argue with Stringer winning the clearance and kicking it from 55m. That's when the game went out of reach, and that was our own fault.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Not a fan of the 'victim must be getting it wrong' narrative we keep trotting out. It's weak, passive aggressive bullshit, that tbe AFL media regurgitates and leads nowhere.

Futile.

When asked I'd prefer our coaches to stare down the the jouno with furious eyes and say no comment than crap on about how we are getting it wrong.

This shizen about "maybe we need to train for frees better" concept can GAGF.

But it's the truth. We do need to do that. It's obvious the AFL & Umpires aren't going to budge from "nothing to see here" so it's up to us to do so.

We can be as pissed off as we want. We can display that displeasure as directly or indirectly as we want. It won't change the fact the AFL doesn't give a shit what we think. It causes drama - That's great for the media.

We need full time umpires. I'd like more discussion about that from the club. Mention it every presser. Get press releases out indicating the clubs support of professional, competent, FULLTIME umpiring in the AFL as opposed to what it is currently.

 

[connolly]

Yep. Horse picked up on this last night. He basically said we don't get the calls on the "interpretations" and as such we mustn't understand how the umpires are going to call the rules anymore so we need to figure out exactly what they are going to call, when & how and work on it because we aren't obviously on the same page as the umpiring department.

I don't begrudge the dogs for playing to the rules given to them. Just like Selwood ducks/drops for frees... It's not illegal so why not use that advantage? It's gutless and weak but not against the interpretation of the rules afford.

We need to have a long hard look at what we must be doing wrong. We've got an interpretation wrong our end. Maybe we can tunnel the ball now? Maybe we should look at introducing more "flicking" handball into training? Maybe we need our boys to work more on researching the umpires as much as the opponents? It looks like our game is slowing being controlled more & more by the officiating, games are decided by the umpiring these days... So maybe we need to just accept it and try to own the game instead of assuming the rules are the rules as we interpret them. A throw these days is fine apparently. So is tunnel ball.

We gamed the AFL with the draft. We've gamed them with the trade period. Let's game them with the on field rules too. Stick it up them. Be the best damn "interpretors" in the AFL. If that's what will win us a GF then so be it.

Agree with that except Liberatore is just a cheat. Just throws it. No doubt his ethics were fine tuned by listening to his old man describe the eye gouge he put on Paul Kelly. Liberatore is really a dog. Literally

 

[GotTheGoodes]

Agree with that except Liberatore is just a cheat. Just throws it. No doubt his ethics were fine tuned by listening to his old man describe the eye gouge he put on Paul Kelly. Liberatore is really a dog. Literally

No disputing that mate. I feel sick whenever I see Dunks out there with scum like Wallis and Libba... That's his choice though I guess.

 

[ezard15]

Forgetting the my team got robbed angle for a moment. Why is the AFL so hell bent on changing the fabric of the game? I just don't get it. Their rule changes are absolutely unnecessary. Not only that they're changed in the book without any clarification as to what it means. The fans, players, the umps, heck even the AFL themselves don't know what any of the rules mean and how they're supposed to be interpreted. It's a farce.

Couldn't agree more. Even Longmire and Beveridge said in their pressers that they literally don't know how the rule works i.e. do you have to be in the goal square, does it have to be rushed through the goals, how much pressure, etc etc etc. The question is if the coaches don't know the rule then who the hell does? We know the umpires don't.

Don't think it happens to the same extent in other sports.

 

[Vin Rogue]

Re the horrible dropped mark - at the time and on replay I'm pretty certain that it was having his arms ripped downwards.

Happens a bit but probably should have been paid.

Agreed. Live, it looked like it should have been an Allir free.

 

[Donza]

Well , I think we did bloody well recruiting.

 

[GotTheGoodes]

We had time to get back in it after that nonsense free. Can argue with the umpires call there, but can't argue with Stringer winning the clearance and kicking it from 55m. That's when the game went out of reach, and that was our own fault.

It's that old argument about "momentum" then isn't it?

I argue that we had momentum and "the run" going which was halted by very very poor decision making by the umpires. We then have to work extra hard to get over that and resultantly aren't in the same position we would have otherwise been to impact the Stringer possession. Should our "run" been un-impeded with shit calls then that goal may not have meant anything. In actual fact, we may have lifted and had the energy/pressure and been up & about enough to have prevented him from kicking it at all... Instead, our boys surely would have been frustrated and thinking "C'mon!! What next?! Far out, WTF?!?" instead of "C'mon boys!! Let's do this!! Hell yeah!!".

The change in mindset and momentum could be argued to have impacted the result of future possessions.

Everything is related and relative. Bad calls flow through a game just as momentum does.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The other focus which continues the positive vibe was how good our debutants were with their delivery of the ball. Newman's in particular was outstanding. Rarely seen skill in the red and white.

Yep, not a lot since Stuey Maxfield.

 

[Tuco]

But it's the truth. We do need to do that. It's obvious the AFL & Umpires aren't going to budge from "nothing to see here" so it's up to us to do so.

We can be as pissed off as we want. We can display that displeasure as directly or indirectly as we want. It won't change the fact the AFL doesn't give a shit what we think. It causes drama - That's great for the media.

We need full time umpires. I'd like more discussion about that from the club. Mention it every presser. Get press releases out indicating the clubs support of professional, competent, FULLTIME umpiring in the AFL as opposed to what it is currently.

There's no right or wrong.

We handled the Trade Ban the same way.

Much prefer straight talking over double talking.

Just my opinion.

The push fot full time umpires is something I support...buy it's also a smokescreen. Even part time umpires should be consistent within a game.

 

[Vin Rogue]

Yep, not a lot since Stuey Maxfield.

Stuey could also kick the odd bomb into the forward line. Hope Newman is able to match Stuey's heart. If he does, we will have something special.

 

[MK38]

The holding the ball frees (and non frees) were confusing. One that comes to mind was one paid against Jones where he had no prior, was tackled immediately. (I think the commentators even acknowledged the free wasn't there which is saying something). Bulldogs seem to just drop it or throw it. We were just getting pinged a lot and the dogs got away with a lot. There was just too much inconsistency in the umpiring.