Rumour Rumors of cat player in big trouble

[T4P]

This is getting ridiculous, and deliberately conflating two concepts. The most compelling evidence of false allegations I have ever seen has not just been presented in court, but with such a volume and from witnesses aligned to the alleged victim.

The "who knows what happened" crowd are operating on a nebulous sense of how convictions and cases work. We have an appalling situation here for a system which assumes innocence (not assumes 'maybe she did this, you weren't in the room!').

Not one, but five people associated with the accused have testified that post-factum, she acknowledged consent and expressed a motivation to extort money.

In such circumstances, the case should never have progressed.

This does not imply I know what happened, nor does it imply I am a rampant misogynist. I - and another member of my family - work within the sex crimes space. Sadly, "always believe the woman" is not a foundation for even the most compassionate individual. In my experience, too many men get away with too many things, but the refrain is "almost always believe the woman."

And you clearly don't know that "speculating without all the facts" is, inevitably, part of a lawyer's job, especially with cases like this. Your capacity to be offended is not something I, nor anyone else, needs to regard as a compelling argument.

I sense you are conflating my responses with others.

Do you mean five people associated with the alleged victim, or with the accused? From your framing it sounded like you meant to say the former.

If the latter is the case then yeah, begs the question as to why the case progressed. The only devil's advocate argument that really remains is that the last few months of delay have included influencing witness, which is a long bow to draw even for bigfooty's standards.

Either way it's a terrible scenario, and agree the refrain is 'almost always believe the woman', with the additional context that Australia's treatment of sexual offences has been in need of reform for a long time.

 

[T4P]

No. That’s not at all what I said.

He is going free. He should return to the field to play without any repercussions.

I don’t know what actually happened.

I’m just saying that there is not conclusive evidence to label the woman involved as having made the whole thing up, and that it is unfair and toxic for people to go around saying as such.

This is the kind of situation where sitting on the fence is actually the appropriate thing to do.

well articulated

 

[T4P]

Agreed; but people don't have to sit on the fence when it comes to whether the DPP should have let it get this far anyway.

To support the decision to not proceed and (in my case) express disappointment that it got this far is not the same as besmirching the name of the accuser nor taking to the ramparts to defend masculinity against the feminazis.

There is a distinction. This is a mess and the DPP has made it; not a total surprise given what's going on there at the moment. My close relative works in the sex offences section and it's a nightmare. As I've said before, far too many men getting away with far too much stuff. And, occasionally yes, false accusations.

Not just letting it get this far, but with the delays to the case. Definitely detracts from faith in the system hey

 

[Big_Birdy]

Is it fair to say a bit in common with Thomas Partey situation? Note I am not condoning any thing that happened that was wrong in either case.

Not familiar with the case at all but did just look at a news article on it.

Couldn’t find anything about a civil case against the accuser? Got any more context?

 

[Senor M]

He should be suing her for defamation ontop of the prosecution supposedly now going after her for falsifying statements.

Remember how that went for Bruce Lehrmann?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Remember how that went for Bruce Lehrmann?

Black and white with zero logic. If there is proof she made it up, which it seems like there is given rumours swirling that the police are prosecuting her for falsifying statements. He would easily win

 

[Senor M]

Black and white with zero logic. If there is proof she made it up, which it seems like there is given rumours swirling that the police are prosecuting her for falsifying statements. He would easily win

I'll ask again--- do you remember what happened with Bruce Lehrmann?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I'll ask again--- do you remember what happened with Bruce Lehrmann?

As I said and answered, you missed the reference. Black and white logic trying to connect irrelevant cases.

If she is proven to have lied and is even getting prosecuted for lying to the judicial system, I think his chances of getting reimbursed for defamation are pretty high.

 

[Senor M]

As I said and answered, you missed the reference. Black and white logic trying to connect irrelevant cases.

If she is proven to have lied and is even getting prosecuted for lying to the judicial system, I think his chances of getting reimbursed for defamation are pretty high.

Imagine being that parochial that you make up a narrative about the situation that hasn't been publicly released.

 

[Play it Sam]

No. That’s not at all what I said.

He is going free. He should return to the field to play without any repercussions.

I don’t know what actually happened.

I’m just saying that there is not conclusive evidence to label the woman involved as having made the whole thing up, and that it is unfair and toxic for people to go around saying as such.

This is the kind of situation where sitting on the fence is actually the appropriate thing to do.

Wake up. There is enough conclusive evidence to suggest a drunken sordid interaction for money, a further attempt to exhort more money, a warning to a witness not to commit perjury when CCTV indicates he is lying, the accusers acquaintances evidence and texts that she admits to lying about the episode, and a Police officer giving evidence that her statements held inconsistencies. Resulting in the DPP realising they had been pursuing a lemon, if not a hoax.

Your fence sitting and empathy for the accuser is touching, and whilst a not guilty verdict is not possible, in the court of the common man, she has played him and the system. His friends, family and supporters are not toxic for thinking on the evidence presented, he was set up. The reality is he can't and won't, fight further to clear his name, further dragging on a trauma that was partly self induced.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Imagine being that parochial that you make up a narrative about the situation that hasn't been publicly released.

I’m not making anything up, you are the one trying to be black and white saying because this dismissed case didn’t get far with defamation it will be the same with this one. The details are very different.

Just read what’s out there and been said, it’s been reported by witnesses in group chats and who also spoke with her directly that she confessed to making it up, and that she has given contradicting statements to police authorities of events.

The case has now been dropped by police Victoria prosecution and talks of going after her are swirling for lying to police.

Use your common sense where this would sit in defammatioh

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Wake up. There is enough conclusive evidence to suggest a drunken sordid interaction for money, a further attempt to exhort more money, a warning to a witness not to commit perjury when CCTV indicates he is lying, the accusers acquaintances evidence and texts that she admits to lying about the episode, and a Police officer giving evidence that her statements held inconsistencies. Resulting in the DPP realising they had been pursuing a lemon, if not a hoax.

Your fence sitting and empathy for the accuser is touching, and whilst a not guilty verdict is not possible, in the court of the common man, she has played him and the system. His friends, family and supporters are not toxic for thinking on the evidence presented, he was set up. The reality is he can't and won't, fight further to clear his name, further dragging on a trauma that was partly self induced.

Think the lesson geelong will be hammering home to him and his family as well is be careful what you do and who you mingle with… their are people in the world out to harm others and manipulate and exploit. Some very sinister people and you can get exploited.

 

[Play it Sam]

Think the lesson geelong will be hammering home to him and his family as well is be careful what you do and who you mingle with… their are people in the world out to harm others and manipulate and exploit. Some very sinister people and you can get exploited.

Too true, but he's learned the painful way through experience, and has to live with it.
The lesson is there for others, particularly for high profile personalities that attract leeches.

 

[Senor M]

I’m not making anything up

Then provide a source for this claim below:

The case has now been dropped by police Victoria prosecution and talks of going after her are swirling for lying to police.

Use your common sense where this would sit in defammatioh

Using common sense would look at legal precedent. I provided an example of a high profile accused rapist whose case was abandoned; only for the accused to claim for defamation (which he lost).

The burden of evidence is different in a civil case rather than a criminal case.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Then provide a source for this claim below:






Using common sense would look at legal precedent. I provided an example of a high profile accused rapist whose case was abandoned; only for the accused to claim for defamation (which he lost).

The burden of evidence is different in a civil case rather than a criminal case.

Legal precedent is based on similarities in case, which you didn’t do and sounds like the concept is something you don’t grasp. It’s like saying as my precedent for a murder trial is here is another random murder trial. You just said here is a thrown out rape case and that’s it ignoring details. Black and white logic

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Too true, but he's learned the painful way through experience, and has to live with it.
The lesson is there for others, particularly for high profile personalities that attract leeches.

He will be welcomed back with open arms and support at geelong.

I hope he gets a huge ovation when he gets his first kick away from all footy fans who stand up against abuse like this of our systems.

Just plain wrong and I doubt anyone here stands for it to see young men have their lives torn down by these miserable people out to cause harm and make a dollar

 

[Senor M]

Legal precedent is based on similarities in case, which you didn’t do and sounds like the concept is something you don’t grasp. It’s like saying as my precedent for a murder trial is here is another random murder trial. You just said here is a thrown out rape case and that’s it ignoring details. Black and white logic

Ok, mate.

Keep making up stuff; I'll ask for a third time. Do you have a source for this claim?

The case has now been dropped by police Victoria prosecution and talks of going after her are swirling for lying to police.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Ok, mate.

Keep making up stuff; I'll ask for a third time. Do you have a source for this claim?

I am not making up anything, I have been quoting what’s fact (it’s been dropped and that witnesses have said she made it up and told them directly as well as contradicting statements made to authorities) it’s all over this thread and the news, go scroll through the pages or Internet it’s there.

It’s been mentioned across this forum talks of going after her are in the works for lying under oath. That one is a wait and see how it pans out.

You seem to have very little clue about much in here and I’m not sure what you have been reading since all of this is over this thread and the Internet and news yet you keep asking me for sources.

Do a simple check and you will work something out

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Too true, but he's learned the painful way through experience, and has to live with it.
The lesson is there for others, particularly for high profile personalities that attract leeches.

The issue is people like her feed off the idea that “ people will question if you did it no matter what, you can’t prove you’re innocent”.

They prey on this to blackmail a high profile individual with cash.

She got caught lying in the act, and he deserves every bit given the facts to be judged on that, innocence, not the now proven lying accusation that people have come forward and called her out on and her own contradicting statements.

People who are so malevolent to lie to try and destroy a persons life for money deserve the weight of the law to come down on them, and the full support of society to go to the accused victims

 

[Play it Sam]

I am not making up anything, I have been quoting what’s fact (it’s been dropped and that witnesses have said she made it up and told them directly as well as contradicting statements made to authorities) it’s all over this thread and the news, go scroll through the pages or Internet it’s there.

It’s been mentioned across this forum talks of going after her are in the works for lying under oath. That one is a wait and see how it pans out.

You seem to have very little clue about much in here and I’m not sure what you have been reading since all of this is over this thread and the Internet and news yet you keep asking me for sources.

Do a simple check and you will work something out

Just ignore him. He's standing on formality.
Knowledge gutz in a Tiggs jumper..

 

[Senor M]

I am not making up anything

But your "source" is....

It’s been mentioned across this forum talks of going after her

BigFooty! Your entire argument for "defamation" is based on what you've read on BigFooty.

You seem to have very little clue about much in here and I’m not sure what you have been reading since all of this is over this thread and the Internet and news yet you keep asking me for sources.

Provide ONE news source that is supporting what is being said about the victim being charged for a false statement. You're the one claiming it, you should be able to back it up.

Do a simple check and you will work something out

Do you really think I'd repeatedly call you out for making sh*t up if I hadn't already checked?

Now it's your turn--- provide a reputable source that the victim is being charged (aka not from BigFooty, TikTok or a random user on reddit)

 

[Mr Meow]

Imagine hating another club so much that you wish and pray for a rape to have happened, just to hurt one of its players.

That is the really sick part of this.

Some people seemed to get a perverse joy out of this situation and what it implied was associated with a football club they don't like. Now they are having a tantrum when they know they can't pointscore about...a woman getting r*ped. Just really gross stuff.

 

[Play it Sam]

But your "source" is....


BigFooty! Your entire argument for "defamation" is based on what you've read on BigFooty.


Provide ONE news source that is supporting what is being said about the victim being charged for a false statement. You're the one claiming it, you should be able to back it up.



Do you really think I'd repeatedly call you out for making sh*t up if I hadn't already checked?

Now it's your turn--- provide a reputable source that the victim is being charged (aka not from BigFooty, TikTok or a random user on reddit)

You just don't get it, do you? The DPP does not have enough credible evidence to proceed,
Therefore she is not the victim, as you have labelled.
In fact, if she is charged, he becomes the victim.
This is not a court of law mate, no one has to provide anything.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

But your "source" is....


BigFooty! Your entire argument for "defamation" is based on what you've read on BigFooty.


Provide ONE news source that is supporting what is being said about the victim being charged for a false statement. You're the one claiming it, you should be able to back it up.



Do you really think I'd repeatedly call you out for making sh*t up if I hadn't already checked?

Now it's your turn--- provide a reputable source that the victim is being charged (aka not from BigFooty, TikTok or a random user on reddit)

Yes I would believe you’d do so because it’s all over the Internet in articles and people have also shared those clips here, yet you are going on about something else. Quite bizzare. Look I will bite:

“Two witnesses who testified said they were told in the weeks after the night out that the woman had said she lied about the alleged attack,” The Age reported.

“They heard the men paid the woman for sexual services, but after she demanded more money, which the men refused, she decided to report the interaction as rape, the court was told.”

And..

"I certainly came to the conclusion that she lied to the police," the witness said.

DetRonaldson on Friday told the court there had been conflicting information between the woman's initial disclosure and her official police statement.

She asked the woman to clarify and the woman said she sometimes was confused when drunk but she remembered the men asking to sleep with her for payment.
The woman reiterated that she had not been consenting to any sexual acts, the court was told.

The alleged victim also told Det Ronaldson it took her 53 minutes, instead of the expected 10 minutes, to arrive back home because she was afraid and driving slowly.

Dr Nitin Prakash, who carried out a forensic medical examination of the woman after the alleged rape, told the court she had disclosed being choked during the incident, yet found no proof of this.



The police also agree there is no merit to take this even to trial and have dropped it in the early stages after reviewing.

The prosecutors going after her for lying is not concrete yet, it’s a wait and see if it plays out. Just media atm. Wait and see

Again.. you are not very good at this

 

[Senor M]

The prosecutors going after her for lying is not concrete yet, it’s a wait and see if it plays out. Just media atm. Wait and see

So after repeatedly claiming that the prosecutors were going to charge her with providing a false statement, and stating that you're "not making it up"--- you're now saying that it's "not concrete yet", and write a whole lot of nothing that supports your claim that the prosecutors were going to charge the victim.

Want to do one last time to provide a source for that claim, or acknowledge that you're making that claim up and have no idea whether the prosecutors plan on charging her or not, mate.

you are not very good at this