Rumour Rumors of cat player in big trouble

[The Blue Max]

All in all its a pretty grubby scenario but the the point that most are overlooking is that she failed to mention the monetary exchange in her Police statement.

This omission would seriously jeopardise the credibility of her statement.

And no, I’m not being misogynistic regardless of what some might want to read into my comment.

 

[Willo_]

I wish this were true, but I don’t think it is.

Vociferous booing when he next plays (continuously), is going to dog him until it’s addressed IMO.

TBH I don't think he making a statement or doing an interview is going to change anything, he will get booed next year for sure, then it will probably die down. This very toilet of a thread shows how people have already made their minds up one way or the other.. people going to defend him will defend him, people against him (or even just the Cats) will call it crocodile tears etc etc.

I think it has been handled best it can be given the circumstances, court, suppression orders etc etc.. and really the best way forward for the person in question will just be head down bum up and get to work quietly and with minimum fuss

 

[Play it Sam]

All in all its a pretty grubby scenario but the the point that most are overlooking is that she failed to mention the monetary exchange in her Police statement.

This omission would seriously jeopardise the credibility of her statement.

And no, I’m not being misogynistic regardless of what some might want to read into my comment.

Good point, and luckily the transfer by phone showed up, and brave witnesses that revealed her motivation.
Even so, a money exchange doesn't invalidate her right to choose what it covered, hence the committal.
Pretty much this is done, people need to move on, much to the disappointment of all those Tiggs sharpening their pencils, waiting on more salacious detail.

 

[Soggy2112]

All in all its a pretty grubby scenario but the the point that most are overlooking is that she failed to mention the monetary exchange in her Police statement.

This omission would seriously jeopardise the credibility of her statement.

And no, I’m not being misogynistic regardless of what some might want to read into my comment.

I certainly don’t read that this makes you a mysoginist. I think you’re actually just highlighting one of the many problems with the system.

I don’t know what the answer is, but it needs reform.

Because leaving info like that out of a statement could be a sign of a false accusation.

However, if a rape did occur, than a woman who has just experienced that trauma, probably feels some shame, and potentially might have been intoxicated, is highly likely to miss things out or get some stuff wrong in their statements. I’ve seen it first hand happen to someone close to me. Women have to re live the trauma and have their names get dragged through the mud with no guarantee of getting justice.

It’s one of the many ways victims get hung out to dry.

Again, I am making zero judgments about this particular case.

TBH I don't think he making a statement or doing an interview is going to change anything, he will get booed next year for sure, then it will probably die down. This very toilet of a thread shows how people have already made their minds up one way or the other.. people going to defend him will defend him, people against him (or even just the Cats) will call it crocodile tears etc etc.

I think it has been handled best it can be given the circumstances, court, suppression orders etc etc.. and really the best way forward for the person in question will just be head down bum up and get to work quietly and with minimum fuss

Yep, the reality is that if he lets his footy do the talking this will blow over. JDG’s career has worked out pretty well for him.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

Good point, and luckily the transfer by phone showed up, and brave witnesses that revealed her motivation.
Even so, a money exchange doesn't invalidate her right to choose what it covered, hence the committal.
Pretty much this is done, people need to move on, much to the disappointment of all those Tiggs sharpening their pencils, waiting on more salacious detail.

I've read the thread on the Geelong board and the general vibe is that the player is a top bloke, it's ok to proposition girls for prostitution at 4am in a car patk, he was framed and that the girl should be charged and get jail time.
This is why opinions from the majority of Geelong supporters don't count for anything on this matter.

 

[Play it Sam]

I've read the thread on the Geelong board and the general vibe is that the player is a top bloke, it's ok to proposition girls for prostitution at 4am in a car patk, he was framed and that the girl should be charged and get jail time.
This is why opinions from the majority of Geelong supporters don't count for anything on this matter.

Haha, emotive claptrap. But your opinion counts?
Get back on the bottle Aristotle.

 

[cats_09]

I've read the thread on the Geelong board and the general vibe is that the player is a top bloke, it's ok to proposition girls for prostitution at 4am in a car patk, he was framed and that the girl should be charged and get jail time.
This is why opinions from the majority of Geelong supporters don't count for anything on this matter.

If that's your interpretation of the few times this has been discussed on the Geelong board, then your comprehension skills are severely lacking

Going back to earlier in the year when the charges were initially laid & news broke, including the suppression order in place, there's those who straight up wanted him gone then and there, that the charges should be the end of his time on the playing lost

The vast majority though understood that was never going to happen, acknowledging that we needed to see how things play out as there'd then be 2 likely courses of action:

• If found guilty, he's gone with no sympathy for what happens to him beyond the verdict
• If he's found not guilty, charges dropped etc, then the club would be best positioned to know what steps they and the player will be taking from there

There's plenty who are surprised by the developments from this week with discussion of how is he integrated back into the playing side of things, knowing that he's been involved in day to day football programs over the past 5 months. Not sure there's really that much back slapping & talking up the guy

 

[iameviljez]

I've read the thread on the Geelong board and the general vibe is that the player is a top bloke, it's ok to proposition girls for prostitution at 4am in a car patk, he was framed and that the girl should be charged and get jail time.

In which case your reading comprehension needs serious work. It has split the board, big-time, and frankly your reading is a little off.

 

[Aristotle Pickett the3rd]

In which case your reading comprehension needs serious work. It has split the board, big-time, and frankly your reading is a little off.

Ok point taken, the two pages I read weren't that kind to the girl but I didn't read the whole thread.

 

[Philhawk]

Jack De Belin opens up about NRL ban that cost him three years and ‘close to a million’ | Sporting News Australia

Former representative forward Jack de Belin has spoken candidly about the NRL no fault stand down policy that saw him sidelined for almost three years on charges that were ultimately dropped.

www.sportingnews.com

For those interested, have a read of this (and listen to the podcast if you like), about the very similar situation.

The Jack de Belin case is a really important precedent when we’re talking about these sorts of situations. He went through multiple trials, spent years out of the game under the no-fault stand-down policy, and ultimately had charges dropped after hung juries. Despite that outcome, he was never formally “found innocent,” and he’s spoken openly about how difficult it’s been to regain any sense of vindication in the public eye.

Even now, years on, a shadow still lingers. His career went on, but the damage to reputation and the toll personally was immense. It shows that even if charges don’t result in conviction, the process itself can leave scars that never really heal.

That’s the challenge for the player in question here. Even if this ultimately doesn’t go further, or if charges are withdrawn or collapse, it’s rare for someone to fully shake the perception once their name has been tied to it. De Belin’s journey shows just how hard it is to rebuild trust and escape the stigma - and it’s likely the same dynamic will play out here.

 

[PhatBoy]

Jack De Belin opens up about NRL ban that cost him three years and ‘close to a million’ | Sporting News Australia

Former representative forward Jack de Belin has spoken candidly about the NRL no fault stand down policy that saw him sidelined for almost three years on charges that were ultimately dropped.

www.sportingnews.com

For those interested, have a read of this (and listen to the podcast if you like), about the very similar situation.

The Jack de Belin case is a really important precedent when we’re talking about these sorts of situations. He went through multiple trials, spent years out of the game under the no-fault stand-down policy, and ultimately had charges dropped after hung juries. Despite that outcome, he was never formally “found innocent,” and he’s spoken openly about how difficult it’s been to regain any sense of vindication in the public eye.

Even now, years on, a shadow still lingers. His career went on, but the damage to reputation and the toll personally was immense. It shows that even if charges don’t result in conviction, the process itself can leave scars that never really heal.

That’s the challenge for the player in question here. Even if this ultimately doesn’t go further, or if charges are withdrawn or collapse, it’s rare for someone to fully shake the perception once their name has been tied to it. De Belin’s journey shows just how hard it is to rebuild trust and escape the stigma - and it’s likely the same dynamic will play out here.

De Belin if he was innocent, like TB was never going to come out of it looking clean regardless as he had - if I recall correctly - a pregnant fiancée at the time and one of the pieces of evidence used was him saying ‘this is to keep your mouth shut’ as he gave the woman a $50 note in the cab afterwards. This of course doesn’t make someone guilty of anything criminal of course it just makes them guilty of something unsavoury and everyone (certainly myself) is capable of this sort of thing without it being cause to be arrested and be convicted of a heinous crime. The goings on in this situation likewise aren’t exactly the sort of thing you’d advise your teenage son to aspire to.

I played at a wedding JDB attended a year or two after that and he was an impressive young man to be honest. Kind, polite, well behaved, and still with his partner so they obviously got through it. I would like to believe he was innocent but like this situation no one but those involved will ever know, and myself and my band mate spent much of the aftermath, the drive back etc, talking about it and even during the function, there was an air of ‘oh wow this is the guy.’ But his friends obviously supported him and didn’t doubt his decency and innocence, that was clear. Whether that was unfounded or not I guess we will never know.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I'd say the sensible move for the player would be to keep his head down and work on getting back to football. Opening a defamation case in these circumstances would be extremely foolhardy. The case has been dropped and that's about as good as it gets for him. Opening a defamation case would result in his own seedy behaviour involving early morning threesomes with prostitutes in cars being aired in greater detail. And to what aim? To get financial compensation from somebody who likely has zero money, and a verdict that only confirms what is already known? There is nothing to gain. Just move on and make better choices in future. It's the only way forward.

Tend to agree when looking at it from a health perspective and the toll it would take.

More my point was it would be a viable option if some of the talk amongst social media eventuates and she gets prosecuted for lying under oath. He would have a very strong case of winning.

It would be a legit option of pursuing, and if he won would only clear his name further.

Depends how his career goes when he comes back, and how society treats and reacts to him as a professional as well.

Defamation is taxing and exhausting on someone to go thru, but it does serve a valid pathway to be used in some cases to restore someone’s name if necessary

 

[RICHOLEGEND12]

Pathetic. Read my post and try again.

This is the pathetic post mate. You have no response to what I've said so you've just said "pathetic", which in itself is pathetic.

What I'm saying is pretty clear. Apart from it being a clearly very murky situation, 4am , alcohol, a carpark, two men and one woman. I have no idea what happened and neither do you. I don't know whether the alleged offender is guilty or innocent and neither do you.

My entire point is that I think it's gross that people are jumping on a potentially untrue narrative, labelling a potential rape victim as an extortionist without any proper evidence, just some vague social media, he said, she said posts. People are following this narrative for the simple reason that the alleged offender can play football and wears certain colours.

Before you say, "well this is what happened to the alleged offender". You have to remember they were charged. Police only charge someone if they have reasonable belief that a crime was committed. Once again, not saying he is guilty. But being charged with something is a far cry from social media posts alleging extortion. So to be jumping on the narrative that the alleged victim is a simple vindictive extortionist is cheer leading, gross, and pathetic. Especially when this person is potentially a victim. If it does come out and this person is charged with extortion I will happily say I was potentially wrong. But you can't just jump on that narrative with these vague comments about it.

A clear thing to differentiate is inconsistencies in a statement vs extortion. As other people have pointed out. People leave information out for a variety of reasons, and this case is particularly murky. Despite everyone saying the alleged victim is a sex worker, it's highly likely that they are not a legitimate sex worker. I think it is pretty clear why they could potentially leave out the information that they received money. But to be clear, receiving money does not mean consent is given for everything. But it does mean that the person will likely be viewed with great prejudice, and I imagine a conviction much harder to gain.


And yes Richmond fans did do this with balta as well. I remember reading Richmond posters saying the victim was after a quick buck etc. I can't say it any clearer, balta was a ****ing idiot for what he did. He was guilty.

Once again, I don't know whether this alleged offender is guilty or innocent. That is not why I'm posting in this thread. I'm posting because I think it's just ****ing sad that people are so quick to pile on a support a narrative that is potentially completely untrue and potentially very harmful just because this person plays for their club. And like I said Richmond fans have been guilty of the same thing.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

No. That’s not at all what I said.

He is going free. He should return to the field to play without any repercussions.

I don’t know what actually happened.

I’m just saying that there is not conclusive evidence to label the woman involved as having made the whole thing up, and that it is unfair and toxic for people to go around saying as such.

This is the kind of situation where sitting on the fence is actually the appropriate thing to do.

I think to say she's outright extorting people without more evidence is a bit unfair. But its pretty reasonable to say that the prosecution are fairly convinced the her testimony and that of other key witnesses is unreliable and thats why they've pulled the pin.

 

[HairyO]

The girl who made a false allegations of assault.

Was she trying to extort money in order to not make the report?

If yes, probably. Though given the suppression order umit would be a tough win.

If she genuinely felt it was assault then zero chance.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

This must be a parody account

No its worse this is his real one.

 

[Soggy2112]

I think to say she's outright extorting people without more evidence is a bit unfair. But its pretty reasonable to say that the prosecution are fairly convinced the her testimony and that of other key witnesses is unreliable and thats why they've pulled the pin.

However, just because her testimony was not reliable enough to gain a conviction, does not automatically mean she made the whole thing up.

I have no issue with people saying the case wasn’t strong enough to get a conviction.

I have a big issue with people saying she’s a liar and made it all up. That kind of narrative is incredibly toxic, as there is a real possibility she is a rape victim.

 

[WillHayward]

Shit show all round here.

DPP and Coppers really shouldn't be proud of their efforts in this circus.

 

[Grumpyshades]

False accusations related to sexual assault are rare, and even when it is legitimate (which again statistically is by far the overwhelming majority), it is extremely difficult to prosecute - ''effectively decriminalised'.

Statistically, it's more likely the latter.

That information aside, the case itself is extremely murky. A friend of the witness, moments after the woman had been ''coaxed'' into the car with two accused ''urged security to call police as she feared [his friend] would get r*ped'' and then, called the police himself.

Then you've got the witnesses, who people keep citing in here, saying they were ''told in the weeks after the night'' (by who?) that the woman had lied about the attack. Later, in the article, the witnesses are quoted problematically equating payment with consent: ''I concluded that is she consented and requested payment for services, she provided consent, therefore it is not right, if she reported it as rape, that is lying to police.''

Requesting or providing payment does not mean consent was given for everything (that may have allegedly) happened in the car.

I'm not sure what happened; none of us know. But the idiots quoting ''electronic payment'' as proof it's a lie, or saying he was found ''not guilty in the court of law'' are just plain stupid. He could be guilty, he could not be, we don't know. But take your stained glasses off and have a read over the situation.

Before a bunch of catters engage in whataboutism about Balta, no I don't condone that type of violence, nor defend it. But also if you have to engage in whataboutism, your argument might be kinda sh#t.

this data is regularly misrepresented..'Proven' false allegations may be rare. But Courts and police have zero motivation and waste zero resources trying to prove or convict women of lying. Their sole objective is to prosecute men

This is not the same as false allegations being rare

I am not btw making any judgement on the case being discussed..Just pointing out a general fallacy

 

[Macca180]

Talk about not getting to the point.
What happened?

Some bird was all over a Geelong player because he plays AFL.
She was really drunk. He banged her. She woke up and doesn't remember it and is now crying no consent.

Am I warm?

 

[takethepowerback]

this data is regularly misrepresented..'Proven' false allegations may be rare. But Courts and police have zero motivation and waste zero resources trying to prove or convict women of lying. Their sole objective is to prosecute men

This is not the same as false allegations being rare

I am not btw making any judgement on the case being discussed..Just pointing out a general fallacy

It is not a fallacy, there is a range of research pointing to this, some of it is linked in my original post, I can find a bunch more if you want. Is there any evidence to say the opposite?

The fallacy is that women commonly make false r*pe accusations. It's another claim no different to the myriad of misogynistic myths that contribute to a culture where r*pe is effectively "decriminalised" - i.e. extremely difficult to prosecute. You know, out too late, wearing the wrong thing, drank too much...not too long ago it was believed that intimate partner r*pe wasn't even possible.

Still now, some figures have it as low as a 1% chance that a victim will see their abuser convicted. Think about that.

Again, I'm talking more broadly here. We don't have enough information to know what happened here. One thing I do know is, reading the responses on here, we have a long, long way to go.

 

[takethepowerback]

Talk about not getting to the point.
What happened?

Some bird was all over a Geelong player because he plays AFL.
She was really drunk. He banged her. She woke up and doesn't remember it and is now crying no consent.

Am I warm?

You do realise that if she was "really drunk" so drunk she can't remember it, she would be incapable of giving consent?

 

[Generalissimo]

The fallacy is that women commonly make false r*pe accusations. It's another claim no different to the myriad of misogynistic myths that contribute to a culture where r*pe is effectively "decriminalised" - i.e. extremely difficult to prosecute.

I wouldn't say it's common; I'm led to believe that it's of the order of 5 or 10% something like that. But there's been some pretty egregious cases of false accusations in the media lately, and it now looks like this is one of them.

 

[1040]

You do realise that if she was "really drunk" so drunk she can't remember it, she would be incapable of giving consent?

If you're a prostitute over .05 and hook up with two guys over .05, how can it be that you're not a bloody idiot just like the two guys?

I feel sorry for the court system having to deal with fools like this.

 

[Profop]

I wouldn't say it's common; I'm led to believe that it's of the order of 5 or 10% something like that. But there's been some pretty egregious cases of false accusations in the media lately, and it now looks like this is one of them.

The false accusations tend to get way more media attention then all the far more common and depressing proven cases

Sometimes I feel like if the media gave the same amount of airtime and attention to both instances it might make a material impact on the amount of partner violence in the community