Rumour Thread

[DaVe86]

Of the names listed, purely on talent I would list in order of priority as:

1. Hurley
2. Watts
3. Gumbleton.


However, then you need to take into consideration the cost.

Gumbleton is a high draft pick who has had terrible injuries and is currently not in the top 22 of his side. He is been pushed out by Hurley (who is a better CHB) and Danniher who is a first year player. So Gumby's value can't be that high. Add into it the fact that he is still injury prone. Could be worth more than a pick 30+ and pick 30 is probably overpaying...but you may have to put a premium on him considering Doggies, Carlton and Freo may be on the prowl.


Then Watts would be the next cheapest. Hasn't shown anything and real question marks over his hunger and work ethic. The only thing that makes him valuable is his Pick 1. So just for that reason alone he becomes worth a second round pick minimum just due to his untapped talent. Melbourne would likely demand a top 20.


Then Hurley would cost the most, even though he is also injury prone and question marks over his best position.


Having assessed that, I think Gumbleton becomes the best option. All have serious question marks, but Gumby is the cheapest. Also, at his height he could be a back up ruck option.

 

[dubber]

I do not get why anyone would even suggest we draft Gumbleton. The guys has played 35 games in 7 years of being on the list. I would understand it if he was a prodigious talent with freak skills and x factor.

In 2010 he strung together 17 games, a record for him, with averaging 10 disposals and 1 goal a game. Amazing.

Come on people wake up, he is not worth putting on our list as he would take up $$ cap and block a kid from getting games.

 

[DaVe86]

I do not get why anyone would even suggest we draft Gumbleton. The guys has played 35 games in 7 years of being on the list. I would understand it if he was a prodigious talent with freak skills and x factor.

In 2010 he strung together 17 games, a record for him, with averaging 10 disposals and 1 goal a game. Amazing.

Come on people wake up, he is not worth putting on our list as he would take up $$ cap and block a kid from getting games.

perhaps, but the points you list above make him the cheapest alternative. Hurley or Watts are probably beyond what we can afford or trade for.

 

[dubber]

perhaps, but the points you list above make him the cheapest alternative. Hurley or Watts are probably beyond what we can afford or trade for.

You get what you pay for in this case & i honestly would be hugely disappointed if CFC even made an offer. I'd rather draft a mature tall prospect from the reserves comp around the country and give them a rookie spot.

 

[loki04]

Of the names listed, purely on talent I would list in order of priority as:

1. Hurley
2. Watts
3. Gumbleton.


However, then you need to take into consideration the cost.

Gumbleton is a high draft pick who has had terrible injuries and is currently not in the top 22 of his side. He is been pushed out by Hurley (who is a better CHB) and Danniher who is a first year player. So Gumby's value can't be that high. Add into it the fact that he is still injury prone. Could be worth more than a pick 30+ and pick 30 is probably overpaying...but you may have to put a premium on him considering Doggies, Carlton and Freo may be on the prowl.


Then Watts would be the next cheapest. Hasn't shown anything and real question marks over his hunger and work ethic. The only thing that makes him valuable is his Pick 1. So just for that reason alone he becomes worth a second round pick minimum just due to his untapped talent. Melbourne would likely demand a top 20.


Then Hurley would cost the most, even though he is also injury prone and question marks over his best position.


Having assessed that, I think Gumbleton becomes the best option. All have serious question marks, but Gumby is the cheapest. Also, at his height he could be a back up ruck option.

Watts has more going for him then that.

He is in the elite bracket for AFL players in terms of speed, leap and agility at his height.

He can mark and kick accurately.

He has has very good endurance (but doesn't use it in games).


His problem is as others have stated mentally and at times physically soft.

Melbourne broke him when he debut against us, he was not ready. Due to being hyped the shit out of like none before our lads targeted him physically and pretty much belted him without him having senior players there to retort and protect him.

He was a scarred player after this point and hasn't recovered.

The question is in a team with strong culture and strong bodies like Collingwood have can we break through to him and regain his confidence?

 

[Smoky]

I am assuming you mean Watts? What if i told you that the issue is between the ears and not for a lack of desire?
What if i told you that as a 19 yr old he has never had a good role model, a coach or a mentor that he could look up to. How would anyone of us go with that sort of uncertainty and scrutiny of being top draft pick.

The talent is there, the desire is there but the heart & head is not. Easy to fix. Change the scenery, culture and provide support and he could be worth the punt.
<Disclaimer, I am related to someone who works at MFC>

I would tell you Scully was in exactly the same environment and produced so much more.

It's the individuals choice

 

[dubber]

I would tell you Scully was in exactly the same environment and produced so much more.

It's the individuals choice

Your answer lies in within your post. Every individual is different.
Also, you are comparing a player who was playing midfield with someone who was asked to hold a Key position. Big difference.

 

[POKsPies252]

I posted this in the Collingwood Almanac thread but i guess it's relevant as we are talking about Hurley/Watts:​

The spine of a side I think is really important, get that right and your going to have a pretty decent side. To achieve this you need:

1. 2 solid key defenders (FB and CHB)
2. 3 gun mids
3. Solid ruck
4. 2 gun forwards (CHF and FF, should be able to kick 110 goals a season between them)

If you look at us:
1. Tick - 3 solid defenders (Keefe, Brown & Reid)
2. Tick
3. Tick - Grundy will be more than solid
4. Cross - Unless we think Reid can kick 50 goals a season

Now Boyd is not going to come in and kick 50 goals in his first year however you'd think he'd do better than what Lynch has. I think if Boyd comes in we would need another tallish scoring option (e.g Reid) for the first few years of Boyd's career or until Boyd has the capability of kicking 50 goals a season.

This is why I think if Hurley wants out of Essendon then I'd definitely take him no matter how overrated people think he is and as long as we don't have too give up much (if at all) and if it doesn't stretch the salary too much.

Trade Witts (surplus too our needs), then a Goldsack/Blair + our first rounder to the Giants for pick one (Boyd)

FB: Brown CHB: Keeffe CHF: Cloke FF: Boyd

By having Hurley/Reid as 3rd Fwd/Def then it allows the team to become more potent, better defensively and more unpredictable. Imagine having Hurley and Reid being able to switch Fwd and back within a game as well as week to week.

The only problem with this is who plays the 2nd Ruck role and what happens with Lynch. I think the pro's far outweigh and con's in this situation. As said previously, doing this would mean our KPP stocks are set in stone for the next few years allowing us to draft pure mids in the future.

Get it done Pies ​

So whether it's Watts or Hurley then I don't really mind, prefer the one that is cheaper (trade and price wise). I think we have the ability to turn them into decent players because right now they're being played in positions perhaps not specifically suited to them. Right now Watts is being asked to play as a key Fwd when he's more a utility who can play as a 3rd fwd, 3rd def or tall wingman. Hurley is being played as a CHF when perhaps he's more suited as a CHB.​

 

[Vicky Park]

Is this still the rumour thread? I have seen Stephen Silvagni at two of our recent VFL games including last Saturday. Wonder which of our lads he is interested in, as GWS list manager (assuming it is our Ressies he is following)?

 

[Pedro]

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Trade Witts (surplus too our needs), then a Goldsack/Blair + our first rounder to the Giants for pick one (Boyd)​

​

What happens when Grundy gets injured. Having two quality rucks is going to be a pretty big bonus for us. Especially if they can pinch hit forward.

 

[HFF]

^^^^ I can only really think of Jarrod Witts or Kyle Martin perhaps.

 

[Chief Ten Beers]

Was thinking Kmart as well.

 

[loki04]

^^^^ I can only really think of Jarrod Witts or Kyle Martin perhaps.

Or both.

They need a genuine Ruck and K-mart is a good on ball extractor goal kicking mid, should of played more games this year in Blairs spot.

 

[Axl the great]

What about Mitch Thorp? seems to have his head screwed on right these days and has really dominated for South Launceston this year kicking 78 goals from 18 games.
Was a number 6 pick i think and had talent to burn but was a real wayward character and didn't really commit.
He is still only 25 and is a big body who could be good for 2 to 3 goals a game and would really take the load off Trav.
Reid may be needed back at some stage or may start to struggle up forward so could be worth as punt as a rookie at worst i reckon.

I still maintain that we should have taken Dean Galea this year and he won the VFL goal kicking again this year but his time may have passed by.

 

[Matz]

Is this still the rumour thread? I have seen Stephen Silvagni at two of our recent VFL games including last Saturday. Wonder which of our lads he is interested in, as GWS list manager (assuming it is our Ressies he is following)?

Yep, have seen him at both games too. Would love to know who hes watching.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

What about Mitch Thorp? seems to have his head screwed on right these days and has really dominated for South Launceston this year kicking 78 goals from 18 games.
Was a number 6 pick i think and had talent to burn but was a real wayward character and didn't really commit.
He is still only 25 and is a big body who could be good for 2 to 3 goals a game and would really take the load off Trav.
Reid may be needed back at some stage or may start to struggle up forward so could be worth as punt as a rookie at worst i reckon.

I still maintain that we should have taken Dean Galea this year and he won the VFL goal kicking again this year but his time may have passed by.

He's playing in the midfield though isn't he? Not saying that puts a cross through his name, more a question. Do we want/need him if he's predominately on the comeback trail as a mid?

Having said that 78 goals is impressive especially if he is playing mid time.

 

[Axl the great]

He's playing in the midfield though isn't he? Not saying that puts a cross through his name, more a question. Do we want/need him if he's predominately on the comeback trail as a mid?

Having said that 78 goals is impressive especially if he is playing mid time.

Playing in a Ruck Rover role this year but capable of playing and was recruited as a key forward, what is impressive is that he has built a decent enough tank to play in the middle, that shows versatility and could be useful anywhere.
We gave and give players a go with late picks all the time, would Mitch Thorpe give us more next year than say a Jordan Russell this year?

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Playing in a Ruck Rover role this year but capable of playing and was recruited as a key forward, what is impressive is that he has built a decent enough tank to play in the middle, that shows versatility and could be useful anywhere.
We gave and give players a go with late picks all the time, would Mitch Thorpe give us more next year than say a Jordan Russell this year?

Well when you put it like that, it's impossible to argue.
I only ever thought Russell would be depth & he's done his job, for me anyway, others will disagree.
I agree though if it's a choice between depth & depth & potential then Thorp wins hands down.

As long as he's matured mentally from that John Anthony type of personality he reputedly had.
Sounds like he is.

 

[Matz]

Apparently Caro on 3AW yesterday said Buttifant will go to Carlton.

If he does go who could replace him?
I mean someone whos top class?

 

[TradeDraft]

Apparently Caro on 3AW yesterday said Buttifant will go to Carlton.

If he does go who could replace him?
I mean someone whos top class?

and You Believe the Witch?

 

[Number 10]

Is this still the rumour thread? I have seen Stephen Silvagni at two of our recent VFL games including last Saturday. Wonder which of our lads he is interested in, as GWS list manager (assuming it is our Ressies he is following)?

I would hazard a guess at Tim Allan and Jordan collopy.

Collingwood are also very interested in both but more so collopy.

 

[Matz]

and You Believe the Witch?

Yes, I know what you mean but I dont think every single things she says is wrong. In this case with Butters being close to Mick you have to give a slight chance that she might be right.

 

[Matz]

Judging by that interview with Bucks on footy classified I get the feeling butters is on his way out.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

and You Believe the Witch?

If the witch was always wrong she would not have a job. She has been one of the media driving forces behind the Essendon drug saga and you can hardly say that she got that wrong. Give credit where it is due. Nobody can be wrong all the time.

 

[pinko77]

What about Mitch Thorp? seems to have his head screwed on right these days and has really dominated for South Launceston this year kicking 78 goals from 18 games.
Was a number 6 pick i think and had talent to burn but was a real wayward character and didn't really commit.
He is still only 25 and is a big body who could be good for 2 to 3 goals a game and would really take the load off Trav.
Reid may be needed back at some stage or may start to struggle up forward so could be worth as punt as a rookie at worst i reckon.

I still maintain that we should have taken Dean Galea this year and he won the VFL goal kicking again this year but his time may have passed by.

i think mitch thorp would could be worth a late round pick worth a punt hes a good size i have seen him play 8 games this year hes a class above i think he will go afl next year. was highly rated at the hawks they thought he was going to be a gun but didnt work out for some reason with out a doubt he is the most arrogant up himself player i have ever seen just ask tom harley