Run and carry

[Old navy]

Was thinking this could be a big part of our game plan in 2015. We actually have some great ball carriers and it could be a real weapon for us this year.
Yarran lightning and has elite disposal to go with it.
Judd still a great ball carrier and a great kick on the run.
Thomas has turbo hopefully we get to see it this year.
Walker really quick loves to run and break the lines.
Simpson another who has good pace and is not scared to take the game on.
Murphy great ball carrier love him kicking inside 50
Gibbs fast enough beauitful long kick on the run
Buckley lightning quick and loves too use it.
Sheehan looks ok going for long runs thumping left boot bouncing need work
Thouy the Irish boys don't mind going for a run. Seems to come naturally to them.
Menzel has enough pace and a killer side step.
Doc also quick enough beautiful long kick on the run.
BB has been touted as one of our quickest players already.
DVR has enough pace could be one of the best kicks on the run already.
Smith great agility loves to run and break the lines

 

[Dramoth]

Back in the Ratts days, we wanted a mosquito fleet again... however the players we were depending on didnt have the skills and football sense to execute properly. Now, it appears that we have speed to burn again and the skills to execute a precision passing game plan.

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Without giving it too much thought, right now I'd say the run and carry game plan only works for us against teams we match up on well (The Dogs, North etc) but we simply can't execute it against teams like The Swans and Hawthorn (yet)

The kick it to the boundary game plan annoys me at times, but sadly I feel it is an necessity right now, least till our kids start to develop better foot/kicking skills.

Its a delicate juggling act that Mick needs to get right in 2015.

 

[Old navy]

I think it could be one of our strength this year. Last year we were 1st or 2nd in running bounces and it looks like we have bought more speed into the team. Can't wait till r1 this year. Hoping when we see the first team sheet of the year the center line reads Yarran Gibbs BB.

 

[zeeCFC]

Break away running is what we lack. Port, Hawks and magically when they play us - Collingwood, all have the ability to be a few meters off their opponents in packs while still being able to defend through good skills...they usually dont have to defend until after they score though.

Jeffy, Eddie, Waite were good at getting away from opponents but as forwards they don't need to defend. Everitt and Curnow at times do it well but we could do with more from dedicated wingers....enter Thomas and Boekhorst. Cripps floating forward Jobe style will also help.

 

[__Bobcat__]

Break away running from the baclkline.
Bomb it long to the tall forward line.

Game Over!!!

 

[Sin City]

Break away running is what we lack. Port, Hawks and magically when they play us - Collingwood, all have the ability to be a few meters off their opponents in packs while still being able to defend through good skills...they usually dont have to defend until after they score though.

This is what happens when you have a system or game plan that allows you to transition or deliver the ball effectively from contested play or stoppages to the players on the outside. The Swans have been masters of this since 2012 but the Hawks, Power, Bulldogs are very good at it too. They make lots of short handballs to team mates that are presenting themselves until they can get it to a clear player on the outside to have a kick.

Interesting that you mention Port, who through Ollie Wines smashed us in the clearances allowing them to get it to their runners in the last quarter to set up their come from behind win against us last year. We subbed off a midfielder in Bell for a forward in Menzel while they brought on a midfielder in Broadbent.

We appeared to have no intentions of playing like this last year and the coaches must address this, we were good at getting out hands on the ball but had team mates standing way too far back causing loopy handballs to be turned over or blind kicks hoping to go forward. No wonder people think we needed more runners when we were chasing loose balls all over the park. We have had plenty of good run and carry players for years but we haven't transitioned the ball well enough to them.

While run and carry is important, getting it out effectively to these players is where the game is won or lost. Stoppage and contested ball numbers go up every year so it's important to address this rather than try and front run teams off their feet like Ratten's final season.

 

[Old navy]

Without giving it too much thought, right now I'd say the run and carry game plan only works for us against teams we match up on well (The Dogs, North etc) but we simply can't execute it against teams like The Swans and Hawthorn (yet)

The kick it to the boundary game plan annoys me at times, but sadly I feel it is an necessity right now, least till our kids start to develop better foot/kicking skills.

Its a delicate juggling act that Mick needs to get right in 2015.

I think your right about that style only holding up against certain team ATM. The better teams are to good at team defence and applying pressure that they can really make it hard to get that run and carry going.
I think Mick would have tried to come up with a game plan that involves using the weapons that he know are proven.
Thomas Judd Murphy Gibbs and Yarran if one of those guys gets off the chain then look out. Two of them and we will give anyone a run for there money. If three of those players have an impact on a game we will win most games of footy.
There are going to be some feral Collingwood supporters at the end of the year. More feral then usual because Daisy is AA again and Buckley will have been sacked.

 

[JustaBattler]

Curnow and Bell joined Carrazzo - all injured when they were actually hitting good form - not enough depth to replace them ( remember Judd was out as well as Kreuzer) nm Cripps as well.

thats is a fair number of decent players as far as contests go - but hey lets not let the facts get in the way of a nice consensus in here. outside run/inside grunt - all outcomes NOT inputs.

The #1 issue Carton has (had) versus the top teams is an inability to score goals - simple very simple.

 

[zeeCFC]

This is what happens when you have a system or game plan that allows you to transition or deliver the ball effectively from contested play or stoppages to the players on the outside. The Swans have been masters of this since 2012 but the Hawks, Power, Bulldogs are very good at it too. They make lots of short handballs to team mates that are presenting themselves until they can get it to a clear player on the outside to have a kick.

Interesting that you mention Port, who through Ollie Wines smashed us in the clearances allowing them to get it to their runners in the last quarter to set up their come from behind win against us last year. We subbed off a midfielder in Bell for a forward in Menzel while they brought on a midfielder in Broadbent.

We appeared to have no intentions of playing like this last year and the coaches must address this, we were good at getting out hands on the ball but had team mates standing way too far back causing loopy handballs to be turned over or blind kicks hoping to go forward. No wonder people think we needed more runners when we were chasing loose balls all over the park. We have had plenty of good run and carry players for years but we haven't transitioned the ball well enough to them.

While run and carry is important, getting it out effectively to these players is where the game is won or lost. Stoppage and contested ball numbers go up every year so it's important to address this rather than try and front run teams off their feet like Ratten's final season.

I understand kicking it instinctively into the 50 from centre bounces but as you said we don't have the set up at stoppages that works in our favour often enough. Carrazzo is good at it and Cripps too but seems our burst stoppage players in Murphy and Judd who should be receiving it at speed are too often at the bottom of a pack or flat footed. So it's positional and strategic.

 

[Azul]

Line breaking pace is one thing but we need players that can run out 4 quarters.

Port Adelaide were fitter than every other team in the competition; winning 16/22 last quarters - having finished 14th 2 years earlier. We could learn a thing or two from that.

We carry too many flankers. It's long overdue for players like Yarran to step up to a full time outside midfield role - he's on his 7th preseason.

 

[Old navy]

We carry too many flankers. It's long overdue for players like Yarran to step up to a full time outside midfield role - he's on his 7th preseason.

I'm with you on that. He has all the tools and would really give us a major point of difference in the midfield.
Last season he did say that he would love to play there in the future. Hopefully this is the year they unleash him.

Yazz was pretty much the reason we are ranked so high for running bounces. He leads the comp by quite a fair way I think. Hope this year BB And Thomas can give him some support in that area.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

As long as there is someone at the end of it.........and they don't kick points.

#Tennisesnewestfangoyougreekgod

 

[Zlatan]

Curnow and Bell joined Carrazzo - all injured when they were actually hitting good form - not enough depth to replace them ( remember Judd was out as well as Kreuzer) nm Cripps as well.

thats is a fair number of decent players as far as contests go - but hey lets not let the facts get in the way of a nice consensus in here. outside run/inside grunt - all outcomes NOT inputs.

The #1 issue Carton has (had) versus the top teams is an inability to score goals - simple very simple.

I would have thought the number 1 issue for Carlton, especially against the top teams, is actually getting a hold of the ball.

Also, for a team that averaged the lowest possessions in the comp last year, we also had the lowest average tackle count per game.

According to the official statistics, we averaged 341.4 possessions a game (lowest) and 61.5 tackles per game (lowest).

Let's get the ball first and then worry about what we're going to do with it.

 

[JustaBattler]

I would have thought the number 1 issue for Carlton, especially against the top teams, is actually getting a hold of the ball.

Also, for a team that averaged the lowest possessions in the comp last year, we also had the lowest average tackle count per game.

According to the official statistics, we averaged 341.4 possessions a game (lowest) and 61.5 tackles per game (lowest).

Let's get the ball first and then worry about what we're going to do with it.

My opine above is based on the stats...
We are more than 200 goals behind Hawthorn in goals scored - that is the big catch-up required. All other areas are of (relatively) marginal significance - in fact some of the criticisms of performance on here are wrong ( again) based on the facts.

 

[HBF]

Great OP, and when you break it down like that you can really see we have got some weapons when they have the ball in hand.
I think Thomas and Yarran could really be keys for us this year - Thomas hopefully getting a full preseason under his belt and goes straight into the midfield, whilst Yarran (if he's built up enough of a tank) could be seriously dangerous on a wing.

 

[Blue By Blood]

This is what happens when you have a system or game plan that allows you to transition or deliver the ball effectively from contested play or stoppages to the players on the outside. The Swans have been masters of this since 2012 but the Hawks, Power, Bulldogs are very good at it too. They make lots of short handballs to team mates that are presenting themselves until they can get it to a clear player on the outside to have a kick.

Interesting that you mention Port, who through Ollie Wines smashed us in the clearances allowing them to get it to their runners in the last quarter to set up their come from behind win against us last year. We subbed off a midfielder in Bell for a forward in Menzel while they brought on a midfielder in Broadbent.

We appeared to have no intentions of playing like this last year and the coaches must address this, we were good at getting out hands on the ball but had team mates standing way too far back causing loopy handballs to be turned over or blind kicks hoping to go forward. No wonder people think we needed more runners when we were chasing loose balls all over the park. We have had plenty of good run and carry players for years but we haven't transitioned the ball well enough to them.

While run and carry is important, getting it out effectively to these players is where the game is won or lost. Stoppage and contested ball numbers go up every year so it's important to address this rather than try and front run teams off their feet like Ratten's final season.

This is spot on in regards to our use of the sub, I think we misused our subs nearly every week last year. You don't sub of a midfielder to bring on a forward like we continually did. It should be the other way around if anything.

I think we can expect to see some better ball movement and transition this year thanks to having some players fitter and with full preseasons under their belts plus the addition of some classy ball users. I'm really hoping we improve in stopping points conceded off turnovers. Looking through the AFL Prospectus, this really stands out asan area we need to fix drastically, particularly with the long kicking style game we play. We just can't afford so many turnovers when we play a low possession style game.

 

[PumpyChowdown]

Run and carry is all well and good, but it's useless if our forward 50 entries are as abysmal as they've been over the last few seasons.

I hope and pray that our inside 50's are going to be something other that high bombs on players heads and we hope someone can take a mark.

 

[HARKER]

My opine above is based on the stats...
We are more than 200 goals behind Hawthorn in goals scored - that is the big catch-up required. All other areas are of (relatively) marginal significance - in fact some of the criticisms of performance on here are wrong ( again) based on the facts.

How did you get a 200 goal difference? (~10 goals per game)

I can't work that out no matter which way I try.

 

[BM123]

I would have thought the number 1 issue for Carlton, especially against the top teams, is actually getting a hold of the ball.

Also, for a team that averaged the lowest possessions in the comp last year, we also had the lowest average tackle count per game.

According to the official statistics, we averaged 341.4 possessions a game (lowest) and 61.5 tackles per game (lowest).

Let's get the ball first and then worry about what we're going to do with it.

Lowest possession count, highest turnover rate and lowest tackle count per game.

Horrible stats.

 

[Jatz]

How did you get a 200 goal difference? (~10 goals per game)

I can't work that out no matter which way I try.

Yeah that's not right.

It's more like 40 goals a year.

 

[Franc de Borges]

Watson kicks in to himself, takes a bounce and goals. Easy.

Just need to disguise the rushed behind and we'll be premiers.

 

[Franc de Borges]

Great OP, and when you break it down like that you can really see we have got some weapons when they have the ball in hand.
I think Thomas and Yarran could really be keys for us this year - Thomas hopefully getting a full preseason under his belt and goes straight into the midfield, whilst Yarran (if he's built up enough of a tank) could be seriously dangerous on a wing.

I get the feeling that if we make a GF during his time, Yarran will either win the NSM or be worst on ground.

 

[Old navy]

Great OP, and when you break it down like that you can really see we have got some weapons when they have the ball in hand.
I think Thomas and Yarran could really be keys for us this year - Thomas hopefully getting a full preseason under his belt and goes straight into the midfield, whilst Yarran (if he's built up enough of a tank) could be seriously dangerous on a wing.

I just think when you look at the list we have and there strengths, you would think run and carry will be a big part of our game plan in 2015.
Thomas is trainning really well with the midfield group. Imagine if he gets back to2011 form with Murphy
Look out rest of the comp.
Due to last years horror run of injuries it makes really difficult to get a read on how well we will go this year
but I feel we are being massively underrated in general. I really can't see us going backwards this year given how crippled we were last year by injury idiots and some dodgee umpiring he fact that we were competitive is a massive tick.

 

[JustaBattler]

How did you get a 200 goal difference? (~10 goals per game)

I can't work that out no matter which way I try.

Last year - from footywire/stats

Hawthorn total Scoring kicks ( goals and behinds) = 706 | Carlton = 511 ie Carlton is 195 scoring shots behind #1 side
Hawthorn total Goals scored ( ie six pointers ) = 418 | Carlton = 276 ie Carlton is 142 six pointers behind
Goals /Behinds = 59% | Carlton = 54% ie Carlton is 5% efficiency ratio behind

Hawthorn have (near enough) 200 more scoring shots AND a 5% better goal to behind ratio. Which is why the stats tell the reader what the difference is between the sides - where it matters.

* I will figure out how to post tables and stats so people can read them.

I've only started mucking around with all stats - but so far it is pretty obvious that Carlton isn't that bad versus other sides in many/most areas of play - but goal kicking is 3rd or fourth quartile - middle to lower tier - therefore I woudl suspect a better forward six performance would be Malthouse's #1 area of strategic focus.

the combination of factors strung together to improve this - will tell the story of how important a healthy side will be as well as how much better new recruting will help fix this glaring problem.