Saints Bagging Thread

[karnaby]

Stocka

I've noticed some of your posts over the last few weeks & understand that you have no trouble discussing my side fairly & objectively.

I suspect comments about GT are primarily for the benefit of those who've already decided that he'll never be any good as a coach. Whatever anyone's opinion of his coaching last night it certainly seems that he did a good job of getting the team well prepared for the game.

Its nice to have a good win, & for those with short memories we did manage to knock over adelaide earlier in the season (but they no longer seem to be such a noteworthy scalp )

 

[karnaby]

Originally posted by luthor
Forget it Stocka.

Mate, it appears that Lennyfan thinks Brisbane "snippers" inhabit subterranean strongholds just beneath the turf (sorry, sand) at Telstra Stadium.

There they lurk, just waiting for some poor unsuspecting opposition ruckman to get his head anywhere near ground level......and bang....they plunge their clench fists upward through the grass to inflict maximun damage to the head area.

Rotten bastards

Evil genius???


Bloody oath

 

[Falchoon]

IMHO the biggest influence on the Saints winning was the lack of tags applied. Instead of concentrating on an opponent every St Kilda player at the stoppages had sole intention of the ball.

In that regard it was brave (and good) coaching by G Thomas. On current form Hayes and Harvey are the best 1-2 punch in the league and are ultra crateive from stoppages particularly with handball. Clearances were 44-30 which is a huge margin. The way Brisbane set up is to have one guy running forward of the stoppage and one behind (Akermanis/Lappin). What it robbed was these 2 great disposers of time with the ball and instead of chasing tail had them chasing tail. What was also achieved was quick disposal into the Saints forward line where Riewoldt and Hamill could utilise their pace.

Thomas is generally the unloved but not many coaches would have the balls to go with that theory v Brisbane. Thomas coached to his players strengths beautifully, he is a coach of empowerment, he backs his players, best exemplified by Knobels efforts 2 weeks running.

It is no surprise we are starting to win close games.

 

[Mobbs]

The problem with Saint Kilda is that they're GOOD FOR FOOTBALL!

Great win!

 

[perthboy]

yes well done to the draft pick scabs of the afl

 

[Winmar]

What is it with some of you people in the west? Sheesh!

Knobel may have been caught high then (I'm not sure - only saw the replay once), but what knocked him out was hitting the ground. He was having a great game until then.

I really don't think that Brisbane can complain about the umpiring too much at all. Milne's disallowed goal.......ridiculous freekick paid against Gehrig to Leppitsch (?) in the forward line. Brisbane had a very good run with the umpires until they started to try to even things up in the third quarter.

A few weeks ago people were bagging us for enjoying 3 wins in a row, because of the lowly opposition we beat. Now we beat the best team in the land, and it's still not good enough!!!

I can't see us beating Port this week. We've got too many important players out now. Fingers crossed though....

 

[Lennyfan]

Apology about the hit on knoble, saw a reply and in fact it was just the other ruckman getting tangled up. The night was pretty emotional and from my view thats what looked like happened.....

CJ, I am still waiting for how the umps gave the game to the saints?? The silence is deafening!!

 

[evertonfc]

Originally posted by perthboy
yes well done to the draft pick scabs of the afl

Fremantle didn't do that well!

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by Falchoon
IMHO the biggest influence on the Saints winning was the lack of tags applied. Instead of concentrating on an opponent every St Kilda player at the stoppages had sole intention of the ball.

In that regard it was brave (and good) coaching by G Thomas.

Do you reckon this will be a viable option every week? Certainly if Hayes and Harvey are on song (along with the Saints getting the better of the ruck duel clearances), they will prove to be a good ball-winning duo - it looks to be the main key to their game at the moment (with the strength in the forward line coming in as a great complement).

However, I tend to think that the Saints lack an extra dimension in the midfield, perhaps in the mould of a few hard-edged players to round out the combination. It won't be long before opposition teams find 'easy' ways of shutting down the Hayes/Harvey combination, and I reckon the Saints will need a few extra players to fall back on to assist in such circumstances.

Originally posted by Falchoon
What was also achieved was quick disposal into the Saints forward line where Riewoldt and Hamill could utilise their pace.

They're going to be pretty hard to beat, when the ball comes in like that.

Originally posted by Falchoon
Thomas is generally the unloved but not many coaches would have the balls to go with that theory v Brisbane. Thomas coached to his players strengths beautifully, he is a coach of empowerment, he backs his players, best exemplified by Knobels efforts 2 weeks running.

It is no surprise we are starting to win close games.

As I said earlier, Thomas seems to be finding his grounding with the players, and is doing very well in terms of playing them to their strengths. He's had long enough with his key players now, to know what to plan for in the lead up to a game, and things seem to be going ok in that regard.

I reckon what we haven't yet seen, is whether or not he is able to pull important match-day moves to change the trend of a game, or handle adverse circumstances and still pull through with decent results.

N.Daniher, I believe, is a good coach who I would regard as being very good at playing players and his team to their strengths. However, when the chips are down, as they seem to be this season, he seems to lack the dimension to get the best out of players when put in adverse situations. For this reason, I reckon he will not have success at Melbourne (in terms of winning a Premiership), due to the fact that quite a number of components of a top side seem to be missing, or a long way off at Melbourne. and I doubt his ability to make-do (or find a different option), in the meantime.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Stocka
Do you reckon this will be a viable option every week? Certainly if Hayes and Harvey are on song (along with the Saints getting the better of the ruck duel clearances), they will prove to be a good ball-winning duo - it looks to be the main key to their game at the moment (with the strength in the forward line coming in as a great complement).

However, I tend to think that the Saints lack an extra dimension in the midfield, perhaps in the mould of a few hard-edged players to round out the combination. It won't be long before opposition teams find 'easy' ways of shutting down the Hayes/Harvey combination, and I reckon the Saints will need a few extra players to fall back on to assist in such circumstances.

Stephen Powell has been motoring along nicely but doesn't have the running power of the above two. Thompson, Black, Jones, Peckett etc are all capable midfielders but none have the combination of ball getting and class of Harvey and Hayes, nor the ability to make those players look good that the creative handballs of those two can. Harvey has proven he can't be stopped though Father time is catching up, and Hayes elevates to a new level week in week out. Luke Ball is a huge talent, but needs 2/3 years. Should they be shut down we go from a top midfield to an average at best midfield, they are the class.

Originally posted by Stocka

I reckon what we haven't yet seen, is whether or not he is able to pull important match-day moves to change the trend of a game, or handle adverse circumstances and still pull through with decent results.

apart from moving Riewoldt and Gherig- true.

 

[Squizy Taylor]

No tool, it was asking where these players, amongst the others were picked up in the national draft. None of them were.

And as I said, they were purchased. They are not home grown talent nor are they discards. Accordingly, there is no merit in using these players as examples of players who were not drafted. It would similar to Kangaroos holding up players such as Colbert and Grant.

Softc@ck racist _Dudd spewing his usual hate filled bile. Oh you must have hated seeing the Saints knock off Brisbane you pathetic piece of excretement. Can imagine you kicking your dog as you watch the Saints win. How did the Weagles go against the bottom side today, fluked a draw. Ha great effort

Somebody get Joffa's boy a valium, I think he is about to explode. BigFooty's very own Nelson Mandela has finally lost his marbles. I also assume you are talking to Chris Judd, as I would take serious offence to being labeled a racist. Although I will point out your ‘holier than thou’ attitude is quite annoying and somewhat pathetic.

This has been the funniest thread on Bigfooty for ages.

What’s so funny? Saints have one big win and all of a sudden it’s the second coming. They are not even in the 8 don’t you know?

In reality the funny thing has been monitoring your loose cannon rants over the past few weeks. All that pent up emotion is beginning to flow like a volcano. Been a while for the old fella has it?

And how did the Moorabbin disco go last night?

BTW, the kicking your dog scenario is hardly original. How is my old mate MightySaint after I reported him to the RSPCA? I hope they hauled his a*se before the courts.

 

[Stocka]

Originally posted by Falchoon
Stephen Powell has been motoring along nicely but doesn't have the running power of the above two. Thompson, Black, Jones, Peckett etc are all capable midfielders but none have the combination of ball getting and class of Harvey and Hayes, nor the ability to make those players look good that the creative handballs of those two can.

Although Jones and Peckett are capable of playing great football at times, but I reckon they have shown the extent of what they will offer the team. It seems as though the faults which people point out about them a few years ago are still present, and are likely to remain in their game permanently. They're useful performers, but they're never going to be world-beaters in their respective positions, and you'd probably be hoping that players of more fulifilling prospects wouldn't be too far away from taking over these roles.

A.Thompson is a tough goer, but has his limitations. He'll be a handy player for a while yet, and he offers good leadership, but will probably face a quick end once the younger stars pick up.

Powell is a great performer, and like Thompson, is a pretty tough nut as well. He should be around for a while to come, and was a great pick up for the club. Hopefully he can avoid injury.

I always thought H.Black was a decent player, although, this year I have found that opinion to change. I don't know why, but I have just had the impression of him being found out as being somewhat soft - correct me if I'm wrong on that impression.

I guess I wouldn't exactly regard Black, Jones, or Peckett as being particularly hard at it. I know it's not eveyone's role, but certainly you want to have a reasonable mix of players who are, and those who aren't, and perhaps this is the area in which the Saints could use something different in the middle. Maybe Ball or Goddard could offer this, but that's yet to be seen.

Originally posted by Falchoon
Harvey has proven he can't be stopped though Father time is catching up, and Hayes elevates to a new level week in week out. Luke Ball is a huge talent, but needs 2/3 years. Should they be shut down we go from a top midfield to an average at best midfield, they are the class.

I guess that's the point that I was making earlier. Although the Hayes/Harvey combination is a top duo, I probably wouldn't yet regard the entire midfield component of the Saints as being a top midfield, for the reasons as mentioned earlier.

Ball and Goddard are highly rated, but it'll be at least a year or two before they can really offer what you're hoping they're on about.

Originally posted by Falchoon
apart from moving Riewoldt and Gherig- true.

With the likes of those two, along with Hamill, Penny and Koschitzke, the Saints look pretty flexible in the big-man stakes. They shouldn't have any trouble rotating those guys in a pinch.

I guess I tend to think that they lack a few good "true" utility players who can be flexible in a number of roles. M.Pike is an excellent example for the Lions, even though he isn't necessarily a high profile player. B.Scott would be another.

Once again, players such as these are often rotated through the Lions midfield, and add that extra bit of mongrel. The Saints would do well to see a few players develop this sort of potential, I reckon, in order to complement the more highly skilled players who don't offer this as much.

 

[MightySaint]

Originally posted by Squizy Taylor
How is my old mate MightySaint after I reported him to the RSPCA? I hope they hauled his a*se before the courts.

Its been a long time Squizzy!!! What was that incident all about again?

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Stocka

I always thought H.Black was a decent player, although, this year I have found that opinion to change. I don't know why, but I have just had the impression of him being found out as being somewhat soft - correct me if I'm wrong on that impression.

My view of the Saints midfield is not dissimilar to yours. I'm not a huge rap for Heath Black but I don't think he's soft. The view of him on Saintsational is fairly divided but all agree he needs to show more and on a consistent basis, he is way too one sided and tries to kick the ball too hard.

Probably rank as following

Hayes - now in the top echelon
Harvey - class
Powell -tough in and under, limited motor
Ball -class, tough, hard and tired, needs 2/3 years
Baker -solid tagger, uncompromising
Jones -classy, sometimes comes undone, still protecting his hammies, limited in body contact
Thompson -ball accumulator with shocking foot disposal
Peckett -frontrunner
Black -one dimensional

followed by the part timers, Clarke/Moyle/Dal Santo/Burke/Lawrence/Hamill etc

But with at least 2 of the first 3 in the middle will hold its own against anyone, also a great range of differing players, from skilful to tough. The class is in the first 2 and the youngsters though.

 

[Outoftheblue]

Saint bagging thread

Just dropping in to give the Saints a quick bagging, because I've just read on another thread that the Blues are now major rivals of the Saints.
So, err, consider yourself bagged.

Oh, and good win the other night

 

[evertonfc]

Re: Saint bagging thread

Originally posted by Outoftheblue
Just dropping in to give the Saints a quick bagging, because I've just read on another thread that the Blues are now major rivals of the Saints.
So, err, consider yourself bagged.

Oh, and good win the other night

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