Scott Morrison - How Long? (Part 1 - Continued in Part 2)

[SBD Gonzalez]

He also put Thunberg back in her place today. I would vote for him again just for that.

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Morrison is "not here to impress people from overseas"

Specially when they are 16 year olds who run rings around him.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

There is years worth of fuel loading in NSW all thanks to the Greens. That Press Release still relevant today.

Yeah, never mind that that has repeatedly been shown to be utter BS.

Must say, the pleasure I'd derive from posting unmitigated bilge would be meagre at best.

Who do you think you're impressing?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

If you expect substance either way here you would be disappointed. But it reflects the current state of national political discourse quite accurately and at least we get varying views here

I do expect substance actually.

 

[sherb]

Yeah, never mind that that has repeatedly been shown to be utter BS.

Must say, the pleasure I'd derive from posting unmitigated bilge would be meagre at best.

Who do you think you're impressing?

"Blaming the Greens" is for the wilfully ignorant.

 

[Andrew Birch]

THey should be cancelled for being the same eery year


Except the Queensland Premier has remained in Queensland and there are no major fires currently threatening property.

If Morrison had stay in Canberra or Sydney or taken a road trip to impacted towns then he would have been fine.

Where and when the PM holidays is not for you or me to decide. NSW state govt is in charge of the firefighting efforts in that state.

It makes no difference to me whether he's in the country or the state during this time so long as he's is contactable. It's not like he went climbing the Himalayas with no mobile phone access or is required to physically put out a bushfire himself.

 

[CM86]

What relevance has that got to the fact that you found yourself making false claims about another poster once again by calling HairyO a flog on the basis that you thought he posted incorrect information which he has not. Now in true style you are deflecting from the fact that you have been caught out and were wrong by trying to divert away from the fact that employers do cover salaries of firefighters volunteering and focus on volunteers who run their own enterprise such as contracting and who currently don't get the same support due to not being employed by an entity.

No one reasonable would disagree with firefighters volunteering who are not employees being compensated. However that is still not going to deflect or divert from the fact that you came in and attacked and abused another poster all guns blazing telling him he was wrong about something and calling him a flog for it when he wasn't wrong.

Go back and actually look at what I was responding to. Read the posts.

You won't... so I'll do it for you...

Looks like the vollies are going to have to fight to be compensated.

BTW if they are paid for this work are they actually volunteers?

I mean... wow...

I mean... yes...

Should volunteers be paid?

Every time or just this time? Do we set up some back pay for the thousands of other times volunteers have volunteered?

Just for fires or for all forms of volunteering?

Or just this time? Because Twitter is getting antsy.

NSW bushfires: RFS names two firefighters killed south-west of Sydney

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...rfs-two-firefighters-killed-south-west-sydney

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A “tight-knit” western Sydney volunteer firefighting brigade has been devastated after two firefighters were killed in the battle to contain a blaze that ripped through villages south-west of the city.



"Because twitter is getting antsy." - HairyO

You're such a flog.

Are they not covered by RFS insurance? As well as personal or super insurance?

A friend of mine's dad had a heart attack and was well taken care of.

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/volunteer-firefighters-plead-for-tax-breaks-20191218-p53l3m

Exhausted firefighters who have been on the frontline volunteering for 12-hour day and overnight shifts over the past six weeks to fight the Gospers Mountain megablaze in the NSW Blue Mountains are pleading for tax breaks to help them shoulder lost income and mounting bills.

The call comes as the region, about two hours north west of Sydney CBD, braces for temperatures to soar above 43 degrees on Thursday, followed by 32 degrees on Friday and 46 degrees on Saturday.

"We're exhausted, we're buggered, and we've had it," the Deputy Captain of the Bilpin Fire Brigade, Jim Newton, told The Australian Financial Review yesterday, adding prior to this year, the longest he had ever had to take off work to fight fires was two weeks.

Why do you have such an issue with these people being compensated for putting their lives on the line? Losing income, causing hardship on their own families.

"BTW if they are paid for this work are they actually volunteers?" - HairyO

"This fire is so big and hot now, it won't go out until we have rain – and there's no rain forecast. Like a lot of the volunteers, it's preying on my mind that at some point I need to get back to work to feed my family."

A self-employed rural contractor, including for the Rural Fire Service, Mr Newton returned home from a 12-hour shift this week to find a $5000 tax bill in his letter box.

You are a flog.

You realise that HairyO is absolutely right regarding those employed having their salary covered while firefighting. Firefighters who run their own businesses however are a different story such as those who are commenting in this piece. Trust you'd come in and abuse people for being wrong when you are the one who is wrong.

From the same article... that you didn't read.

Like Mr Newton, 90 per cent of the Bilpin brigade of 60 volunteers are self-employed or contract workers, aged between 40 and 60, with families and mortgages.

Surely even you agree that the firefighters should be compensated? Tax breaks, debt reduction, something... Rather than fall into financial ruin because they are risking their lives...?

Which brings us back to this moment...

I took issue with his flippant 'if they get paid, are they even volunteers?' remark, in response to Noobz0r's post about them being compensated.

You've again shown a remarkable lack of reading comprehension.


There is no point attempting to engage with you, because you don't actually know what's going on around you.


These guys are risking their lives. Many of them losing money, and falling into debt.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/volunteer-firefighters-plead-for-tax-breaks-20191218-p53l3m
And you're issue is with me calling him a flog for his 'if they are paid, are they still volunteers?' remark...

 

[Crankyhawk]

I voted for Hawke & for Keating in the 80's and 90's and Independent in 2016 when Turnbull was PM. No party is guaranteed my vote.

Get a grip. Her 'hopes and dreams' do not take precedence of everyone else's. She can sit down at the kids table and wait her turn. It's embarrassing that there are grown adults that are worshiping her and her cult.

When I was her age I also believed the adults had no idea
Now I am an adult I am sure that adults have no idea.

 

[Andrew Birch]

I thought you were about 18. How embarrassing for you. What a shill you are for a liberal party. Cupcakes for Scott Morrison...??

I wonder which far-left extremist's sock puppet you are. It doesn't even matter, you all sound the same.

 

[Andrew Birch]

When I was her age I also believed the adults had no idea
Now I am an adult I am sure that adults have no idea.

How old are you? The brain isn't fully formed until 25.

 

[sherb]

How old are you? The brain isn't fully formed until 25.

So childish. Ironic.

 

[Bombermania]

Where and when the PM holidays is not for you or me to decide. NSW state govt is in charge of the firefighting efforts in that state.

It makes no difference to me whether he's in the country or the state during this time so long as he's is contactable. It's not like he went climbing the Himalayas with no mobile phone access or is required to physically put out a bushfire himself.

Actually yes it does concern you or me where the PM decides to go on holiday because we are paying for it because we are his employer.

Under the circumstances He could or should have had his week off here. Morrison has shown poor judgement not because he is responsible for fighting the fires but because he is the national leader and as such shouldn't be running off for a secret holiday.

Morrison has failed a test of leadership just as Nixon did on Black Saturday when she choose to put social drinks ahead of her job.

 

[Andrew Birch]

Actually yes it does concern you or me where the PM decides to go on holiday because we are paying for it because we are his employer.

Under the circumstances He could or should have had his week off here. Morrison has shown poor judgement not because he is responsible for fighting the fires but because he is the national leader and as such shouldn't be running off for a secret holiday.

Morrison has failed a test of leadership just as Nixon did on Black Saturday when she choose to put social drinks ahead of her job.

Blah blah blah in your opinion.

 

[sherb]

Actually yes it does concern you or me where the PM decides to go on holiday because we are paying for it and we are his employer.

Under the circumstances He could or should have had his week off here. Morrison has shown poor judgement not because he is responsible for fighting the fires but because he is the national leader and as such shouldn't be running off for a secret holiday.

Morrison has failed a test of leadership just as Nixon did on Black Saturday when she choose to put social drinks ahead of her job.

For such a supposedly smart political operator he seems a bit dense when it comes to how perception works.

And the perception when he disappeared was - "country on fire, I don't give a crap".

 

[Crankyhawk]

How old are you? The brain isn't fully formed until 25.

42. So well aware that our generation has no idea. May as well get suggestions from younger ones (not that they necessarily have the right idea, but less likely corrupted by vested interests)

 

[TimmeT]

Actually yes it does concern you or me where the PM decides to go on holiday because we are paying for it because we are his employer.

Under the circumstances He could or should have had his week off here. Morrison has shown poor judgement not because he is responsible for fighting the fires but because he is the national leader and as such shouldn't be running off for a secret holiday.

Morrison has failed a test of leadership just as Nixon did on Black Saturday when she choose to put social drinks ahead of her job.

Love to know what you do for employment. I found it funny that there was someone I know bitching about the leave taken by Morrison who was remarkably owned when they used the same taxpayer argument for him and then found out that they were a senior government service employee for a frontline service super busy at this time of year. When they made the same argument to them that they should be working now as this is the time that most people visit them and therefore they need assistance in a reasonable time frame, they got defensive and angry because they had been shown to be an not only an utter hypocrite on the issue and then they proceeded to attempt to justify why this wasn't the same.

 

[Gough]

How old are you? The brain isn't fully formed until 25.

Different strokes for different blokes I was a later bloomer, I didn't start putting two and two properly together until my early thirties. Up until then I'd coasted.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

"Blaming the Greens" is for the wilfully ignorant.

G'day Sherb, long time no talk, hope you're well. Commiserations about that GF. Sheesh!

Yep, the Greens clearly hit some sort of nerve, going by the hilariously hysterical attacks you see.

Poltical donations cleanup? Madness!

Federal ICAC with real teeth? Utter insanity!

Royal Commission into institutional child sexual abuse? Are you mad??!!

 

[sherb]

Different strokes for different blokes I was a later bloomer, I didn't start putting two and two properly together until my early thirties. Up until then I'd coasted.

Took me until my early 40s. But same principle as you.

 

[Noobz0r]

For such a supposedly smart political operator he seems a bit dense when it comes to how perception works.

And the perception when he disappeared was - "country on fire, I don't give a crap".

It's still going too. Today he refused to rule out taking another family holiday in 2019. It just boggles the mind.

 

[Barrybran]

It's still going too. Today he refused to rule out taking another family holiday in 2019. It just boggles the mind.

I'm in the 'let's not lynch a bloke who has next to no impact on what's going on' camp but that would be incredibly daft if he took another holiday

 

[HairyO]

https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/volunteer-firefighters-plead-for-tax-breaks-20191218-p53l3m

Exhausted firefighters who have been on the frontline volunteering for 12-hour day and overnight shifts over the past six weeks to fight the Gospers Mountain megablaze in the NSW Blue Mountains are pleading for tax breaks to help them shoulder lost income and mounting bills.​

​

The call comes as the region, about two hours north west of Sydney CBD, braces for temperatures to soar above 43 degrees on Thursday, followed by 32 degrees on Friday and 46 degrees on Saturday.​

​

"We're exhausted, we're buggered, and we've had it," the Deputy Captain of the Bilpin Fire Brigade, Jim Newton, told The Australian Financial Review yesterday, adding prior to this year, the longest he had ever had to take off work to fight fires was two weeks.​

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Why do you have such an issue with these people being compensated for putting their lives on the line? Losing income, causing hardship on their own families.

"BTW if they are paid for this work are they actually volunteers?" - HairyO

"This fire is so big and hot now, it won't go out until we have rain – and there's no rain forecast. Like a lot of the volunteers, it's preying on my mind that at some point I need to get back to work to feed my family."​

​

A self-employed rural contractor, including for the Rural Fire Service, Mr Newton returned home from a 12-hour shift this week to find a $5000 tax bill in his letter box.​

You are a flog.

They know all this when they volunteer.

Why is this any different to the hundreds of other fires or literally millions of times other people volunteer ?

What is so special about this time?

 

[HairyO]

It's still going too. Today he refused to rule out taking another family holiday in 2019. It just boggles the mind.

As PM he should work 365 days a year even he is PM for 20 years ?

Im sure that wont affect his performance.

Does it also apply to Premiers? Department heads? Military leaders? Etc ?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I wonder which far-left extremist's sock puppet you are. It doesn't even matter, you all sound the same.

Care to identify a few?

Who are some notable far left extremists in Australian politics? What are their beliefs, that cause you to label them as far left extremists? Where have they found particularly fertile ground in propagating their extreme beliefs?

Coz a few of us suspect you just throw words round with no regard for what they mean.

Some seriously dopey schitte.

 

[Noobz0r]

As PM he should work 365 days a year even he is PM for 20 years ?

Im sure that wont affect his performance.

Does it also apply to Premiers? Department heads? Military leaders? Etc ?

You obviously weren't following the conversation. All I'm saying is that with the poor perception of the first trip, why would he not rule out going on another one in the next 8 days? It's poor politics, especially from someone who is meant to be PR savvy.

 

[Andrew Birch]

Admire your persistence, but this thread is like attending a book club for six weeks in a row and no-one in the group is interested in what you've read..?

It's quite entertaining to see the blind support some on here have for the rubbish the media produce that's anti-PM/Libs, but a hint of a narrative the other way is immediately ridiculed and/or considered fake news!

Season's Greetings.

Never thought I'd say this, but the ad hom towards conservative voices and unhinged vitriol directed at PM Morrison in this thread is starting to give the TDS thread a run for it's money.