Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 3

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Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 4

This is part 4. Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/

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[The Cryptkeeper]

Sorry to quote lots of replies here, but I just wanted to address some of the points individually. I'm by no means a fan of Scott Morrison of the Liberal party and there are plenty of things he has done that are legitimately frustrating (and at times, outraging), I just don't think this is one of them.


Except the preamble to the Constitution refers to a reliance on "Almighty God" and all Australian parliaments are opened with a Christian prayer. I'm not sure we have ever had a clear separation between religion and politics.

Muslims pray to the same God though. But to the wider point, I have no problem with anyone (whether an elected leader or a regular joe) praying for a better outcome in this pandemic. I would have a problem if they were using a prayer as a substitute for other actions (e.g. Margaret Court's church in Perth saying they had prayed protection on their congregation, so everything would be fine), but not the prayer itself.

And if someone professes their faith to be a central part of their lives like Scott Morrison has, I'd probably be a little bit confused if he didn't bring it up.

Don't mistake me. I think he has demonstrated an attitude that is very much at odds with his professed Christianity and his actions as Immigration Minister were particularly deplorable. I have nothing to base this on but a belief in basic human decency, but I actually think he struggles with some of the decisions he made during his time in charge of Immigration. Maybe not regrets, but definitely struggles with.

That footnote is a little confusing. It's 52% (i.e. a majority) of the overall population, but actually 57.7% of people that answered that question.

For all that though mate we are a secular country. Or we are supposed to be.

 

[JackOutback]

It is indeed. Our service is being inundated at the moment. Everyone is feeling the stress of these uncertain times and a lot of people turn to drugs when times get tough. We're being well looked after in terms of being given a bit of extra leave here and there and constant checking in around our own stress levels.
One of the things I hope might come out of all this in an increased awareness of what types of jobs are actually really important in keeping society together and (although I won't hold my breath) for health industry workers to get paid a bit more fairly in proportion to those who manage money or flip houses/shares.

Albanese has a great line that the people we are relying on most - the nurses, childcare workers, teachers, social services, supermarket staff - are some of our lowest paid. And that it’s a failure of the market that this is the case.

 

[Vindicater]

Note to self, order more wine.

Mate.

About 12 bottles ahead of you.

 

[Pessimistic]

For all that though mate we are a secular country. Or we are supposed to be.

it took a ‘barren atheist bitch’ PM to shine a lightunder some pretty revolting rocks with a royal commission on institutionalised pedophillia . That tells me it was clearly going on under several PMs watch

we are nominally secular but the influence on the power structure is there to see

the inks hardly dry on the report and we are told by morrison from seemingly no tangible problems that religious organisations need special protections?

 

[Kwality]

It's really not that sleazy or pathetic to ask how my annual income compares to Twiggy's. Tone it down a notch champion.

Its the put down of a guy pulling his weight that is transparent, got ideology for dummies written all over it, not one iota of independent thought.

Twiggy pledges $5m to vulnerable in COVID-19 fight

Mining magnate Andrew Forrest and his wife Nicola have launched a new coronavirus lifeline through the billionaire's Minderoo Foundation.

thewest.com.au

Coronavirus crisis: Andrew ‘Twiggy’ Forrest and wife Nicola pledge $5 million to help vulnerable through COVID-19 fight

Anna Hay7NEWS
Thursday, 9 April 2020

 

[Kwality]

I'm sorry, do we actually know that? We have no idea what goes on behind closed doors within the Liberal party, because their preselection/policy processes are not transparent.

And you adore thinking yourself above the common mob too much and too often in public.

I've known quite well politicians on both sides, as I said we all know bodies pull strings to criticise one body whilst ignoring others will never take me in.
I've no doubt many who feel I'm criticising them might try to put some spin on my opinions. I'm not a part of any mob.

 

[JackOutback]

If Twiggy paid the same percentage of tax as the rest of us, maybe people would respect him more. As Micallef pointed out about Anthony Pratt, his $1m donation looks less generous when put next to his failure to pay tax on $2.5b revenue a few years earlier. Too many of these billionaires want to be able to pick and choose when they contribute to society financially. And they want extra kudos for doing so.

Andrew Forrest is a hypocrite, champions Aboriginal people until native title threatens a buck, then they’re on their own.

 

[Gethelred]

I've known quite well politicians on both sides, as I said we all know bodies pull strings to criticise one body whilst ignoring others will never take me in.
I've no doubt many who feel I'm criticising them might try to put some spin on my opinions. I'm not a part of any mob.

60 to 70% of your posts insist this. You love to believe yourself the great individual.

See, my issue isn't with 'they're as bad as each other' comments, as much as they annoy me; to an extent, they can certainly be true. Both sides of politics have engaged in gerrymandering, for example. Having said that, there is a clear difference between insisting that the CFMEU and the IPA are the same thing when one of them has considerable influence over policy and over narrative, via their membership's numbers in parliament and in newsrooms country wide, just as there's a clear difference between Makenzie's use of sports grants targeted at marginal seats in order to win them and the kind of thing Labor has done.

Cue you bringing up Keating's minister as an example of a Labor government minister doing 'the same', but we both know the scale and the degree is different, as is the hushed up nature of the involvement of the PM in all of this.

'They're' not the same at all.

 

[Hawk Dork]

If Twiggy paid the same percentage of tax as the rest of us, maybe people would respect him more. As Micallef pointed out about Anthony Pratt, his $1m donation looks less generous when put next to his failure to pay tax on $2.5b revenue a few years earlier. Too many of these billionaires want to be able to pick and choose when they contribute to society financially. And they want extra kudos for doing so.

Andrew Forrest is a hypocrite, champions Aboriginal people until native title threatens a buck, then they’re on their own.

and their donations are tax decuctable

 

[Kwality]

60 to 70% of your posts insist this. You love to believe yourself the great individual.

See, my issue isn't with 'they're as bad as each other' comments, as much as they annoy me; to an extent, they can certainly be true. Both sides of politics have engaged in gerrymandering, for example. Having said that, there is a clear difference between insisting that the CFMEU and the IPA are the same thing when one of them has considerable influence over policy and over narrative, via their membership's numbers in parliament and in newsrooms country wide, just as there's a clear difference between Makenzie's use of sports grants targeted at marginal seats in order to win them and the kind of thing Labor has done.

Cue you bringing up Keating's minister as an example of a Labor government minister doing 'the same', but we both know the scale and the degree is different, as is the hushed up nature of the involvement of the PM in all of this.

'They're' not the same at all.

So the equivalent of the CFMEU?

 

[Kwality]

and their donations are tax decuctable

Guy tosses in $200 mil for a $ 60 mil tax deduction, great tax planning that only cost $140 mil, only $140 mil & you are slagging them.
He's paid out the $200mil, are you so blinkered to understand whats gone down here, the reason why they put money up front ... why a close relationship is important.

 

[Kram]

If Twiggy paid the same percentage of tax as the rest of us, maybe people would respect him more. As Micallef pointed out about Anthony Pratt, his $1m donation looks less generous when put next to his failure to pay tax on $2.5b revenue a few years earlier. Too many of these billionaires want to be able to pick and choose when they contribute to society financially. And they want extra kudos for doing so.

Andrew Forrest is a hypocrite, champions Aboriginal people until native title threatens a buck, then they’re on their own.

He's a crook!

 

[Gethelred]

So the equivalent of the CFMEU?

The IPA are just another irrelevance to feed left & right nutters with their conspiracy jobs to feed their particular version of hate - the CFMEU arent irrelevant they are players, see the brothers O'Connor.

That's one of the cheekier things I've ever seen, editing the content of your own post to change the meaning.

 

[wahooo]

Its the put down of a guy pulling his weight that is transparent, got ideology for dummies written all over it, not one iota of independent thought.

Twiggy pledges $5m to vulnerable in COVID-19 fight

Mining magnate Andrew Forrest and his wife Nicola have launched a new coronavirus lifeline through the billionaire's Minderoo Foundation.

thewest.com.au

Coronavirus crisis: Andrew ‘Twiggy’ Forrest and wife Nicola pledge $5 million to help vulnerable through COVID-19 fight

Anna Hay7NEWS
Thursday, 9 April 2020

There was no put down in either of my comments maybe go back and read them again, whack on those reading glasses old boy.

I'm just vane and want the same praise Twiggy gets if I make a proportionate donation to charity, it's not so much to ask.

 

[Balls In]

If Twiggy paid the same percentage of tax as the rest of us, maybe people would respect him more. As Micallef pointed out about Anthony Pratt, his $1m donation looks less generous when put next to his failure to pay tax on $2.5b revenue a few years earlier. Too many of these billionaires want to be able to pick and choose when they contribute to society financially. And they want extra kudos for doing so.

Andrew Forrest is a hypocrite, champions Aboriginal people until native title threatens a buck, then they’re on their own.

Dreadful man!

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Guy tosses in $200 mil for a $ 60 mil tax deduction, great tax planning that only cost $140 mil, only $140 mil & you are slagging them.
He's paid out the $200mil, are you so blinkered to understand whats gone down here, the reason why they put money up front ... why a close relationship is important.

Sounds like something Clive Palmer would do.

 

[Kram]

Dreadful man!

I mean I donate nothin' but the bloke's a bastard!

 

[JackOutback]

I mean I donate nothin' but the bloke's a bastard!

Well, if you donate nothin’, that’s on you. I donate to two different charities monthly and it likely has a greater effect on my living standards than Twiggy’s donations do. I also don’t get millions of dollars in rebates from the taxpayer either.

 

[Balls In]

Well, if you donate nothin’, that’s on you. I donate to two different charities monthly and it likely has a greater effect on my living standards than Twiggy’s donations do. I also don’t get millions of dollars in rebates from the taxpayer either.

Jack sacrifices more than Australias greatest philanthropist!

 

[Kwality]

There was no put down in either of my comments maybe go back and read them again, whack on those reading glasses old boy.

I'm just vane and want the same praise Twiggy gets if I make a proportionate donation to charity, it's not so much to ask.

Yep, its about you, that is apparent. Twiggy got off his arse & delivered.

 

[Kwality]

Well, if you donate nothin’, that’s on you. I donate to two different charities monthly and it likely has a greater effect on my living standards than Twiggy’s donations do. I also don’t get millions of dollars in rebates from the taxpayer either.

Go on you.
Certainly fair to slag Twiggy for getting a tax deuction in the Minderoo Foundation, danm effective tax haven that Foundation.

 

[wahooo]

Yep, its about you, that is apparent. Twiggy got off his arse & delivered.

I've only advocated for praising all charitable donations big and small. It's as if you care more about Twiggy than the actual act of charity.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Well, if you donate nothin’, that’s on you. I donate to two different charities monthly and it likely has a greater effect on my living standards than Twiggy’s donations do. I also don’t get millions of dollars in rebates from the taxpayer either.

Billionaires must laugh at the sad losers who sit here and defend them on forums like these.

Hiring a PR firm for free? Yes, please!

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Billionaires must laugh at the sad losers who sit here and defend them on forums like these.

Hiring a PR firm for free? Yes, please!

Cracks me up. The mining industry, (among others) has paid for this government to do its bidding lock, stock and barrel, to the gross detriment of the ordinary Australian, and some of those ordinary Australians are on here defending it all to their dying breath.

 

[Kram]

Billionaires must laugh at the sad losers who sit here and defend them on forums like these.

Hiring a PR firm for free? Yes, please!

The unemployed pot smokers sitting around complaining all day without ever actually doing anything must give them a good mix of laughs.