Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 3

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Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 4

This is part 4. Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/

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[Donakebab]

I challenged someone here recently to find one occasion, one single time when Scott Morrison has stood up in public and said he (or his government) was wrong or made a mistake about anything & apologised.
In his entire career has he ever taken the weight that comes with being a leader?
Not once.

It's not that he doesn't say sorry, it's the complete lack of ownership or acknowledgement of fault.

Like his "apology" to Brittany, he said he was 'sorry she feels that way' not sorry for what actually happened.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

So one side of politics is corrupt. If this was the Libs it'd be corrupt:
WA Labor donor wins $100m contract

Sadly its across our society at every level of government, & it might be a great headline but its got no substance at this point.

The Greens are squeaky clean.

But that doesn't suit your binary narrative.

 

[Kwality]

No, it was a reflection on having Clive Palmer set up a fake political party and spend $60 million, the biggest electoral spend in Australia's history, to keep Labor out of office.

WHAT AN INCREDIBLE GOVERNMENT!!!!

Sure you arent looking for someone to blame?

 

[DaRick]

Let me guess the LNP has had perfect record with 2 polices, Actually they do one for the rich and one for the poor.

Then what the hell do you make of the LNP?

They have treated the whole nation as mugs with media support, they have stolen from the people, f’ed us over for corporations and wasted the mining boom, ruined the NBN for Murdoch, made us the worst developed nation in the world and for what? Shithouse education?, World leading CSIRO gutted? Ruining our health care? Letting property developers build all the time, Letting mining companies rape us for money

My Generation are tired of LNP lies, Tired of media lies, Tired of a wasted shell of a once great nation, and we will fight and claw to get Australia back from the hands of campaigners. I along with many others will no longer be denied our nation, our future and our land.

Early Gen X?

They tend not to like Morrison as much as the late Gen X/early Gen Y types apparently do.

Maybe because you grew up with Hawke/Keating, whereas they grew up with a failing Keating government and John Howard's relatively competent government of his first and second terms (barring minister resignations, of course).

 

[Kwality]

The Greens are squeaky clean.

But that doesn't suit your binary narrative.

The 2 party vote delivers Government.

 

[Mateyman]

So how does that make the PM a liar?

No response yet she’s convinced because she emailed the department that means the PM himself had to know about it?

More strange, deluded logic from Twitter

Does he actually know anything going on in his office?

 

[Gough]

Early Gen X?

They tend not to like Morrison as much as the late Gen X/early Gen Y types apparently do.

Maybe because you grew up with Hawke/Keating, whereas they grew up with a failing Keating government and John Howard's relatively competent government of his first and second terms (barring minister resignations, of course).

Mid gen x here, right down to the brief heroin experimentation.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Early Gen X?

They tend not to like Morrison as much as the late Gen X/early Gen Y types apparently do.

Maybe because you grew up with Hawke/Keating, whereas they grew up with a failing Keating government and John Howard's relatively competent government of his first and second terms (barring minister resignations, of course).

Nope mid to late gen y (93)

I grew up with Howard gutting my education, my health care, the once in a lifetime mining boom being wasted, the internet being ruined so Murdoch can be happy. Have had 2 once in a lifetime recessions (but we avoided one due to the skills of Wayne Swan) and my country go from one of the best in the world to an unambitious lazy nation who cannot plan for the next year yet alone the next decade.

The LNP has been in government most of my life and they ****ed me over every step of the way, As far as I am concerned I am fighting for the future of my Planet, my country, my state, my neighbourhood, My family, my future kids, my future grandkids against them.

 

[Donakebab]

They’ve got one, but it’s probably like in Victoria where once they start investigating the government their funding gets cut.

Surely for something like this to work it needs its budget to be independent of the very people it’s supposed to investigate?

Bit like the federal audit-office, who caught out Scomo and his pork barrelling mates but unfortunately lacks the teeth to do anything about it, which is forecasting its budget to be slashed by more than 22% over the next 10 years.

 

[Maggie5]

However it does mean (at a minimum) someone in his office deliberately kept it from him - which is a culture of plausible deniability and problematic in its own right

Judging from this, that is pretty clear.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Sure you arent looking for someone to blame?

List all the other Australian elections where a third party has spent $60 million attacking only one of the two major parties.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The 2 party vote delivers Government.

The 2 party vote delivers crap government.

Australia deserves better.

 

[TheMase]

List all the other Australian elections where a third party has spent $60 million attacking only one of the two major parties.

This deserves further clarification.

An ad campaign that advocated voting for them (preferenced to LNP) to form government whilst attacking the opposition of the day but not mentioned the existing government that they were proposing to replace whatsoever.

The whole thing was pretty transparent as to its intention.

 

[DaRick]

Mid gen x here, right down to the brief heroin experimentation.

Early/mid Gen X, I should have said.

Nope mid to late gen y (93)

I grew up with Howard gutting my education, my health care, the once in a lifetime mining boom being wasted, the internet being ruined so Murdoch can be happy. Have had 2 once in a lifetime recessions (but we avoided one due to the skills of Wayne Swan) and my country go from one of the best in the world to an unambitious lazy nation who cannot plan for the next year yet alone the next decade.

The LNP has been in government most of my life and they f’ed me over every step of the way, As far as I am concerned I am fighting for the future of my Planet, my country, my state, my neighbourhood, My family, my future kids, my future grandkids against them.

I was born in late 1989, so in essence I grew up with Howard. I don't remember Keating at all really, nor do I remember that much from Howard's relatively competent first two terms (as a child, I was obviously not really up to things with politics, but I sympathised with the ALP as the underdog). I do certainly remember the screwups that happened in his third (Iraq) and fourth term though (WorkChoices, Haneef) and I voted against him in 2007, a couple of months after I turned 18.

Since then the LNP have been in charge more often than not, and none of the LNP governments have distinguished themselves, to put it politely. I would rank the Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison governments below Howard's.

Yes, I can certainly see why guys younger than me would dislike the LNP, and if I was an older right-winger I'd be careful of buying into the cliche that "the young 'uns always go conservative as they get older, when they get their own young 'uns!" That hasn't happened with under 40's in the US, since they're increasingly sans family, and the same happens to be happening here. Besides, why would you vote for a party that has spent your childhood screwing you?

EDIT: What's with the number 72? Someone's shirt jersey?

 

[Kwality]

List all the other Australian elections where a third party has spent $60 million attacking only one of the two major parties.

You are running the line/ excuse.

 

[Kwality]

The 2 party vote delivers crap government.

Australia deserves better.

It reflects the tripe served up.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It reflects the tripe served up.

So vote Green everybody. Serious action on climate change, serious action on political donations, an ICAC with real powers. You won't know yourselves.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You are running the line/ excuse.

I'm saying that factor alone makes the 2019 election unique, and blaming Labor for losing is like putting a moon boot on Usain Bolt and asking him why his times for the hundred are a bit below average.

 

[Punt rd end]

I think and hope the public will see through the latest cynical attack on the unemployed. We just had a pandemic with mass unemployment, while the government is embroiled in these sex assault cases. That might all result in more sympathy for the unemployed. Plus this 'dole bludgers' thing is kind of dated, isn't it?

I don't see it winning them any votes, the rise barely covers the cost of a decent loaf of bread

 

[Punt rd end]

The 2 party vote delivers crap government.

Australia deserves better.

Think about this for a minute........the govt has spent over 300k so far looking for a CEO for Australia post yet for the job of PM, leader of our govt overseeing billions and billions of dollars he is picked by his mates in a party room even though he has been sacked from his past 2 jobs. Great system and it applies to all the ministers and treasurer.

 

[Caesar]

So vote Green everybody.

Do they still support ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and East Jerusalem? If so, hard pass.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Early/mid Gen X, I should have said.



I was born in late 1989, so in essence I grew up with Howard. I don't remember Keating at all really, nor do I remember that much from Howard's relatively competent first two terms (as a child, I was obviously not really up to things with politics, but I sympathised with the ALP as the underdog). I do certainly remember the screwups that happened in his third (Iraq) and fourth term though (WorkChoices, Haneef) and I voted against him in 2007, a couple of months after I turned 18.

Since then the LNP have been in charge more often than not, and none of the LNP governments have distinguished themselves, to put it politely. I would rank the Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison governments below Howard's.

Yes, I can certainly see why guys younger than me would dislike the LNP, and if I was an older right-winger I'd be careful of buying into the cliche that "the young 'uns always go conservative as they get older, when they get their own young 'uns!" That hasn't happened with under 40's in the US, since they're increasingly sans family, and the same happens to be happening here. Besides, why would you vote for a party that has spent your childhood screwing you?

EDIT: What's with the number 72? Someone's shirt jersey?

I feel that Turnbull was wasted in that LNP government, but nobody my age is voting LNP unless they are hardcore christians.

We all feel abandoned by the LNP.

I just went for 72 because i like the number

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Do they still support ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and East Jerusalem? If so, hard pass.

I know nothing of any Australian party's policies on the Middle East. Quite frankly, it's never been a major concern for me. Way too many things crying out for attention much closer to home.

And the wording of your post suggests you're not exactly free of bias in your apprehension of the topic.

 

[Caesar]

nobody my age is voting LNP unless they are hardcore christians

I mean, that's not really true... 31% of people aged 25-34 voted Coalition at the last federal election, which is a lot more than just the happy clappers

 

[DaRick]

I mean, that's not really true... 31% of people aged 25-34 voted Coalition at the last federal election, which is a lot more than just the happy clappers

Probably voting across family lines.

So the lesson for ALP/Greens is that they need to get young people more politically engaged.