Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 3

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Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 4

This is part 4. Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/

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[Evolved1]

The fact that you mockingly referred to "outrage" about the issue really showed you up mate.

I've got a very good female friend who was r*ped and such is her trauma that I doubt that she will ever be the same again.

The fact that the poor woman in this particular case was still struggling with her alleged rape 30+ years down the track, plus the fact that she committed suicide (with the alleged rape more than likely playing a big part in that), plus the fact that the multiple alleged perpetrated by the LNP staffer seem to have been treated so appallingly by the government means we should all be outraged - including you.

Fair enough.

I'm sympathetic towards the rape victim whilst also being shitty that none of you leftie Victorian campaigners wanted Dan held to account for doing much the same thing to Victoria.

 

[Evolved1]

so what do you want? you think people should be able to storm spring street and kill andrews because they dont like him?

the trade off with a democracy is you put immediate vengeance aside for stability of transition. Do you really want to copy central america and the middle east for how they run their democracies?

Nothing that dramatic. Given that all I want is Dan booted from the ALP state leadership and an Essendon premiership, it should be obvious that I'm pragmatic.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Nothing that dramatic. Given that all I want is Dan booted from the ALP state leadership and an Essendon premiership, it should be obvious that I'm pragmatic.

Do you want Scotty booted from being PM?

 

[sherb]

Fair enough.

I'm sympathetic towards the rape victim whilst also being shitty that none of you leftie Victorian campaigners wanted Dan held to account for doing much the same thing to Victoria.

So you deflect away from a rape scandal by posting an insincere post asking why you should vote for the ALP just so you can have a go at Andrews.

Right.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Nothing that dramatic. Given that all I want is Dan booted from the ALP state leadership and an Essendon premiership, it should be obvious that I'm pragmatic.

okay, you have two options

if you wanted him booted from alp leadership, join a branch and do your work from within

otherwise wait till the state election to vote out the party and its leader on that date in 2022

what you are advocating is the leader has to be overthrown when you dont like them. thats a recipe for chaos, and encourages reactionary extreme govts (because thats how they stay in power). you think i want scomo as our leader after all the water rights shit, glee about drowning boat people, and the bushfire response? i want him gone, but the people spoke last election and im stuck with him until we try again in the next.

thats how democracy works. you dont always get what you think is fair or right, but it means they other mob cant act like dictators when its their turn either

 

[Evolved1]

So you deflect away from a rape scandal by posting an insincere post asking why you should vote for the ALP just so you can have a go at Andrews.

Right.

You've leveraged the rape scandal for all it's worth, so why would I need to add my outrage to the pile?

I'm more than happy to see the LNP and ALP held to higher standards of conduct, with both parties treated the same way.

How do you qualify the sincerity of my post?

 

[QuietB]

people have accused Andrews of incompetence, not corruption

are you saying the HQ failed because the govt was corrupt?

Where did I mention Dan Andrew’s?

Victoria does need a better ICAC

 

[Evolved1]

okay, you have two options

if you wanted him booted from alp leadership, join a branch and do your work from within

otherwise wait till the state election to vote out the party and its leader on that date in 2022

what you are advocating is the leader has to be overthrown when you dont like them. thats a recipe for chaos, and encourages reactionary extreme govts (because thats how they stay in power). you think i want scomo as our leader after all the water rights sh*t, glee about drowning boat people, and the bushfire response? i want him gone, but the people spoke last election and im stuck with him until we try again in the next.

thats how democracy works. you dont always get what you think is fair or right, but it means they other mob cant act like dictators when its their turn either

I agree 100%. I'll do sfa other than whinge on the internet.

 

[Punt rd end]

fu** that, prosecute them

they are a ******* rapist, getting a private sector payout job isnt a punishment

Plus prosecution 100%

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Where did I mention Dan Andrew’s?

Victoria does need a better ICAC

Thats what Evolved1 point was all about. That Dan Andrews should be overthown with head on a spike over HQ.


EDIT - and im a fan of better ICAC's across all jurisdictions

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Where did I mention Dan Andrew’s?

Victoria does need a better ICAC

Yep, if Matty Guy can still be in parliament after what he got up to, there's barely any point to the current Vic watchdog.

 

[Evolved1]

If you don't like Scotty from marketing, vote him out at the next election. <end thread>

 

[Theseventhhamster]

I imagine nothing significant will come of this other than this particular germ having his PM ambitions written off. That's something I guess.

 

[Cooldude]

The "outrage" in this thread is baby stuff compare to the Dan Andrews thread, holy hell, I walk in that thread and the whole place just stinks of nasty internet semen from all the hate-wanking the chuds do over how much they wanna kill Dan Andrews. That thread legit scares me

Then the same bunch of dudebros chuds go absolutely tumbleweed over alleged systematic rape

 

[Ned_Flanders]

If you don't like Scotty from marketing, vote him out at the next election. <end thread>

*sigh* and here's the other tip, keep your ears and eyes open. Shit changes between now and election day, and assuming everyone will vote exactly the same way in 4 years time is insane

for example, i would have been a blank ballot in the us election if it occurred in Dec 2019. June 2020, the us response to COVID changed things somewhat

threads like this are 90% people who have made up their mind and wont change shit. The 10% make it worth while however

 

[Neese]

If you don't like Scotty from marketing, vote him out at the next election. <end thread>

ffs make your own lynch Dan Andrews thread and piss off from here. Your agenda is not the topic of this thread.

 

[sherb]

You've leveraged the rape scandal for all it's worth, so why would I need to add my outrage to the pile?

I'm more than happy to see the LNP and ALP held to higher standards of conduct, with both parties treated the same way.

How do you qualify the sincerity of my post?

I put up a long post (for me at least) with my thoughts on the subject. #10,333.

No response.

So it's pretty clear you weren't after genuine debate when you posted the question.

 

[NSWCROW]

Just throwing out something for discussion to see if this thread has something to offer beyond outrage. I'm a family man with no debt, my employment is rock solid, and I derive a portion of my income from investments.

Why should I vote for the ALP at the next federal election?

 

[QuietB]

Fair enough.

I'm sympathetic towards the rape victim whilst also being shitty that none of you leftie Victorian campaigners wanted Dan held to account for doing much the same thing to Victoria.

Rape and a virus outbreak.

That is some serious false equivalence

 

[Power Raid]

Just throwing out something for discussion to see if this thread has something to offer beyond outrage. I'm a family man with no debt, my employment is rock solid, and I derive a portion of my income from investments.

Why should I vote for the ALP at the next federal election?

If you want university qualified baristas and cheap labor to wipe your arse in retirement; then yes

 

[Power Raid]

This is an extremely tricky situation. So a Cabinet minister allegedly r*ped a teenage girl over thirty years ago. No one has yet revealed who the accused rapist is. The alleged victim is dead, so the allegation will never see a courtroom and will never be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. What is the government supposed to do about this? A member of the team is accused of a horrific crime but it can never be proven. Should that man be named without the chance to ever clear his name if it's not true? Should an alleged rapist be allowed to serve as a Minister of the Crown running the country and get away with a rape just because it happened a while ago and the victim is dead?

The principles are simple.

1) have no political interference
2) advise victims to notify the pice
3) report to the police if appropriate
4) politicians to stand down when charged or an investigation follows resulting in the official position held becoming untenable

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Just throwing out something for discussion to see if this thread has something to offer beyond outrage. I'm a family man with no debt, my employment is rock solid, and I derive a portion of my income from investments.

Why should I vote for the ALP at the next federal election?

Labor is more likely to make the investments in healthcare, education, infrastructure and emissions reduction that will benefit your children and ensure they grow up in a stronger, healthier, more prosperous and environmentally friendly society.

 

[Evolved1]

Voting for the greater good isn't sacrificing yourself for the country. It's using your vote in an attempt (as vain as you think that attempt may be) to both create a better country for the now and leave a better country for future generations.

And voting according to your own personal principles is fine as well - I am no fan of the ALP, but you couldn't pay me to vote LNP, because they go against virtually everything I personally stand for.

Now, if you want to vote exclusively on what is best for you, that's your choice as well. But it's a pretty short-sighted, narrow approach to take in my view.

Voting to me is about balance. Of course I am going to think how I am directly affected, but I will certainly (and strongly) take into account the other aspects I've mentioned above.

So to answer your question, it really has to start with what you want to do with your vote. If it is solely for self-interest, going by the limited information you have given, it looks like the LNP are your go, because that's a large part of what they are about.

If you want to try and make a better country, if for no-one else than your own kid(s), I wouldn't touch the LNP with a 10 foot pole (or a 6 foot Yugoslav). And realistically that makes the ALP the only other voting option under our system the way it is.

Their approach to a changing climate alone means you shouldn't vote LNP, because it means they simply don't care what state they leave the planet in for future generations - including your own kids and descendants.

Very reasonable reply, and food for thought. I honestly didn't see that reply until now.

 

[campbell]

Maybe a great reset is what Australia needs.

I hope not this one though.

 

[Evolved1]

Labor is more likely to make the investments in healthcare, education, infrastructure and emissions reduction that will benefit your children and ensure they grow up in a stronger, healthier, more prosperous and environmentally friendly society.

No argument there.