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NikkiNoo said:
See McLeod's last longer term deal which was signed just before his birthday ;)
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So the policy can be flexible to those players that have played more than 250 games for the lcub by the age of 28 or 29. If thats the case then once players get to 26 or 27 they will be wide open to long term offers from other clubs. This policy is rediculous and needs to be abolished and just purely go to a case by case basis for all players (with no age specifications etc).
 
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Whos gonna kick goals.
A mixed bag between
. Hentshel
. Porps
. Gill

It will work out fine;)

But I dont wanna see welshy go :( :(
 
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Carl Spackler said:
It's not just the message being sent to the players that is the worry, it is the message that is being sent to the other clubs in the competition. With any 27-29 year old on our list a rival club will know that they can offer greater job security and trump whatever contract offer the AFC has put towards them. Who wouldn't be targeting our senior players at the end of 2008?

The club's policy probably seemed fine in 2005/2006 when we were up the top of the ladder, winning games and were a premiership threat. All players would want to stay at the club, whether they could get a slightly better deal elsewhere or not. An eighth finish this season and the prospect of perhaps sliding further down the ladder next season and it (staying) is not such an attractive proposition anymore.
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now THAT's someone who understands the discussion. :thumbsu:
 

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Policy
The AFC have two policies regarding their older players, it seems that many posters on this thread are getting the two confused.

Firstly, they have a stated policy of not retaining players who are not "tier one" beyond their 30th birthdays. To a certain extent, this policy is being driven by the age profile of Adelaide's list - a problem which has been developing for a long time, largely as a result of abysmal drafting under Adolph Ayres.

Is this policy set in stone? Not sure. It certainly appears as though Torney was a victim of this policy.

Is the policy correct? In the short term it definitely is. We can't afford to hang onto all these non tier-one players, because they are never going to take us to a flag and right now the only thing they are doing is holding back the development of the ever growing list of crushers. In the longer term, I also believe it to be a good policy. How many other teams hold onto non-star players beyond their 30th birthdays? Surely that only leads to mediocrity?

The second policy, which appears to have many people confused, is the decision to only give 1-year contracts to players once they have turned 30.

This policy does come with a loophole though - players CAN get a 2-year contract if it is signed BEFORE their 30th birthdays. Examples of this are McLeod and Biglands.

Once again, I would submit that this is a valid policy based on risk reduction. Players can drop off rapidly when the end draws near - look at Ricciuto in 2007 and Nigel Smart in 2004. Signing older players to multi-year contracts does nothing more than increasing the risk of being left with a hefty contract to be paid out, with little or no value from the player - eg Michael Voss' situation with Brisbane in 2007.

I think that Adelaide are on the right track with these policies. It may be harsh, but ultimately it is the best thing for the club. Superstar players know that they will be looked after, lesser lights know that they should look elsewhere as age 30 approaches. I don't see either of these things as being detrimental to the club.

Scott Welsh's Situation
Welsh finds himself in a difficult position. He celebrates his 29th birthday next month. Given the precedents set by Macca and Biggles, there's no reason why he shouldn't be granted a 2-year contract extension simply on policy grounds.

The problem he faces is that he's so erratic and injury prone that the club are loathe to offer him anything more than a 1-year deal.

Consider his history over the past 6 years:
2002: 13 games
2003: 10
2004: 16
2005: 23
2006: 6
2007: 21

Based on these figures, you'd have to say that seasons 05 & 07, when he played almost every game, were the exception rather than the rule. He represents a significant risk to the club, at a time when list management is becoming critical.

I believe the club have made the right decision in offering him a 1-year contract, but refusing his demands for a 2nd year.

NOTE: The club's press release, announcing his departure, indicated that it was actually his off-field indiscretions which counted most heavily in the considerations regarding his contract extension. It was NOT due to either of the previously stated age-based policies.

The Hurt Factor
Potentially, we will be losing the player who was our leading goalscorer in two of the past 3 years. Assuming he were fit to play every game (not a good assumption to make), then his loss would be a significant detriment to Adelaide's forward line.

It would potentially leave our forward line with very little in the way of experienced tall timber - KMac being the only long term player remaining. Gill has less than 20 games to his credit, Hentshel has more but will probably come back through the SANFL and wouldn't be expected to play in the seniors until later in the year.

On the flip side, it would force Neil Craig's hand somewhat - giving him little or no choice but to play the younger, developing, players rather than the "known quantity" players. In a year when Adelaide are supposedly focussing more on the development of our youngsters this is definitely an upside.
 
Welsh gone

The Adelaide Football Club wishes to report that Scott Welsh has advised the
Club he is not going to re-sign with the Crows and will apply to register for the
AFL pre-season draft.
That being the case, the Club will delist Scott this week enabling it to have the
choice of picking a player in either the national or pre-season drafts.
 
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That's very sad. He was a genuine goalkicker and one of the few accurate set shots in our side.

On the positive side, our average age has decreased even further.
 
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Thanks Fred, not good news for us. :(

But Scotty has never been endowed with brains. This is the guy that 'failed' PE in year 12 so.... :p
 
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NikkiNoo said:
Thanks Fred, not good news for us. :(

But Scotty has never been endowed with brains. This is the guy that 'failed' PE in year 12 so.... :p
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Certainly appears that way at times. I remember after a Crows win when he was being interviewed, he basically just repeated the questions as the answer.

Interviewer: Good win by the Crows tonight, Scotty.
Welsh: Yeah, it was a good win for us tonight.

Interviewer: Forward line worked well together.
Welsh: Yeah, the forward line worked well together.
 

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spot on vader. Welsh has had many things handed to him on a platter. He is a player with great talent BUT as you have shown he has needed a real kick up the butt to keep him playing each week so that he actually gets paid.

I am very sad to see him go for the reasons that you mentioned but he has proven that if you give him a big salary he may not have played certain games because he felt a little sore. If he has to play in order to be paid then he will play.
 
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oh for ****s sake! what is going on down there at AFC?

there is no one left!!

I might aswell go and get the number 30 put on my jumper because the way we are going there will be no players left except jericho!

p** off western bulldogs stop trying to lure our players!
 
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Look at the positives boys. Scotty Welsh aint going to take your mob or any other team to a premiership.

Good chance to find someone else and give them a crack.:thumbsu:

Hopefully Trent Hentschel can get back to it a little sooner than hoped. One of my fav non Pies players.

Big Brad Moran could park his massive frame up forward and be tried out. Lot of potential in this kid.

Will Sellar get a crack in 08???

Welshy will probably end up sitting on the sidelines for quite a chunk of the year anyway.
 

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J-Ro-20 said:
oh for ****s sake! what is going on down there at AFC?

there is no one left!!

I might aswell go and get the number 30 put on my jumper because the way we are going there will be no players left except jericho!
p** off western bulldogs stop trying to lure our players!
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That's because he's got the pics of who was involved with what happened to the goat. :D

I've got mixed feelings about Welsh's departure.

Part of me says that he's doing what he needs to do to protect his livelihood, and that's understandable.

Another part of me says that he has let us down miserably because it was his perpetual behavioural issues that led to us not giving him the 2nd year and his leaving.

Part of me says it will be exciting to see new forward structures and new faces up forward.

Another part of me says that we could be in for a dog of a year while we rebuild our forward lines.

Part of me says that it's great that the club are flexing their muscles and saying that they won't tolerate players not complying with team rules as success comes when all players do the right thing, not some of them.

Another part of me questions whether we are becoming over regimented and almost becoming self-destructive in the process.

To say that's it's been an unusual year both on and off the field is putting it mildly!! :eek:
 

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