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Moved Thread Serious assault following last night’s game

Discussion in 'Society, Religion and Politics' started by Bunk Moreland, Sep 7, 2018.

  1. the harry

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    Pakenham high has a more diverse group of pupils and generalisations would be foolish. I think most here would however be comfortable in speaking generally about Xavier in respect to some things at least.

    Xavier students generally come from well off families. But I can't infer anything from pakenham high students really other than they may be zoned to the school.
     

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    They have no place in society. They can get ****** the filthy animals.


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    So you are saying the are looking for prosecution or cops to slip up to have grounds to dismiss or appeal a verdict?
     
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    Which one? Are you offering character references at trial?

    Let em swing!
     
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    Cheers for posting the info on charges. Its interesting that they all have maximum penalty but none have a minimum.
     
  6. Kappa

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    Getting a super low ATAR is the same as no-ATAR so essentially you're doing study and exams for nothing, but good luck to him.
     
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    Whilst that may be true, in the end it was his choice and not the school's to make - good luck to him indeed.
     
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    Agreed, that's why the school suggested it rather than forced him to do it
     
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    They would have if they could have.
     
  10. Kappa

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    Perhaps, but I would argue highly competitive schools are far better than schools who don't care. I'm sure they did everything they could for that kid, but some kids are just too lazy to study and the school suffers.
     
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    I don’t disagree, mate. My comment was a sarcastic comment on the shitty reasoning soft-hearted judges give to perps when they hand out very lenient sentences where the punishment often doesn’t meet the crime.
     
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    Agree. I can’t for the life of me understand why judges aren’t independently assessed on their decision making and held to account. In most jobs you are and have your positions reviewed.
    I’m just over the sickening violence we have in society. How hard is it to just not be a *******. I know i stir a few up on the MB, but there isn’t one poster here I wouldn’t talk to, have a beer with (or water) etc. An example needs to be made of these scum.


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    It’s been more than 15 years since I went there now but for what it’s worth most of the people I was pals with came from working class/emerging middle class families who sacrificed a lot to get them there.

    There were a few little turds who fit the cliched privileged private school boy mould. Funnily enough some of those blokes got themselves in some serious trouble just after school.

    Things might have changed over the years. When I saw what they now charge for VCE i couldn’t believe my eyes (it’s almost tripled) so it probably has become a school for a wealthier breed. Still, pricks like this would be a tiny minority.
     
  14. the harry

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    Tripling fees likely changes the balance somewhat though.
     
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    No doubt.
     
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    His charge was intentionally causing injury.

    Our well connected chaps are facing conduct endangering life.

    All things being equal youd think the sentence would be more severe given the charges are.
     
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    Yep, I think they're now looking at 1-2 years. If that last charge of gross violence gets up they're looking at 4 years.
     
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    Different judge - different call
    No guarantees
     
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    Does anyone know who the magistrate was in the MCC chaps case?
     
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    Separation of powers.


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  22. Kappa

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    Who do you want to assess them? The Government? Violates our constitution.

    What about a private company? You want to give a private company control over our legal system/law? Unacceptable.

    Most people who criticise judges generally are incredibly ignorant about the whole legal system and what punishments actually mean / are trying to achieve. The vast majority of judges get it pretty right, and if not then either party can just appeal the decision to a more senior judge. Seeing 1 biased newspaper article that doesn't even give half the facts and just names the sentence doesn't make anyone a legal expert.

    There always has been and always will be violence in our society. If you want to reduce it then ban alcohol and go harder after drug dealers instead of the users.
     
  23. Saint12

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    And first offence verses multiple priors for assault etc
     
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  24. Kappa

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    If you can infer that Xavier students generally come from well off families then you can also infer Pakenham students come from less well off families

    How on earth do you know Pakenham high has a more diverse group of students? You have no idea what you're saying
     
  25. captain blood 17

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    I reckon there should be an independent board set up made up of a cross section of the community to review decisions to see if they reflect community values.
    You have to ask yourself, how do so many repeat offenders get allowed back out/off to reoffend. There are just just too many crimes committed by these people to name - Bailey etc.
    I actually don’t think it’s ignorance on our behalf at all, in fact, i reckon there could be an arrogance coming the other way from the decision makers.
    Yes, there will always be violence in society and there has been, but you tell me, how much violence perpetrated is by reoffenders. What are the numbers there?
    As for going harder at illegal drug manufacturers etc, that’s a government policy/legislation issue which then empowers our police dept.


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