Should Labour split with the CMFEU?

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Because they were white-anted by Shorten and the Melbourne crew.

I thought you said it was only down to what the non-city hipster politicians were saying...?

It just somehow has to be... deep down... somewhere... Labor... it's a feeling...
 

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Regional Queensland, I should have said. Brisbane is its own world.

Correct; Brisbane was ambivalent about Adani.

No doubt that the Greens would have been taking votes off the LNP/ALP in the Brisbane electorate.
 
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It would be extremely difficult for a non-corrupt entity to compete against a corrupt entity in the Modern Australian Interpretation of The Democracy and The Law. Some people and entities (depending on what team they barrack for) are legally and knowingly allowed to be corrupt and even Parliament House votes in favour of keeping people like this in the Ministry. I could not imagine a non-corrupt entity being able to beat these corrupt entities in The Modern Australian interpretation of a fair go and a fair process.

If Labor does not go after corruption yet still manages to win power I could only imagine they could have done so through some of their own foul deviancy...

Here are some smart things Labor could do, and would also show what kind of fortitude and leadership capability they have to stamp out crime and corruption and the top end of town.

1) The only smart thing Labor has done since the election is to propose legally challenging the Chisholm election result, whether they go through with this will be telling as to whether they possess the capability of being government...
2) An even smarter thing, suggested by a former Labor PM (Kevin Rudd), was for a Royal Commission into the abuse of power in Australian media, whether they go through with this or not will be telling as to whether they possess the capability of being government...
3) Another smart thing Labor proposed to do but never went through with (which is telling) was to refer the dishonorable and corrupt Mr Potatohead to the High Court...
4) Labor has put on the table that the AFP are a political tool for the LNP as well as some of the other Australian Departments, if they are smart they will investigate, if they were smarter they will have a Royal Commission...

Corruption comes in many forms but delivers the same result. We have to become less tolerant to corruption and have severe penalties greater than murder.

Add misleading and deceptive conduct, fraud and non disclosure of conflicts of interest (specifically accepting kick backs) to this hard line stance.
 

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Corruption comes in many forms but delivers the same result. We have to become less tolerant to corruption and have severe penalties greater than murder.

Add misleading and deceptive conduct, fraud and non disclosure of conflicts of interest (specifically accepting kick backs) to this hard line stance.

I'd recommend whistleblowers getting AOs and a nice superannuation package as well as a bronze statue.

The corrupt people should get a prison sentence commensurate with a serial killer like Ivan Milat.
 

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Late to this party but as someone who has worked for numerous Labor MPs and have had access to numerous unions, I've seen the CFMEU operate.
Its an absolute blessing that the union is run by incompetency from the top or else they would completely dominate the party. Yes, they are the cash cow of all unions but when push comes to shove, Setka will go. In regards to incompetency, chuck the MUA in there also even though they are now affiliated with the CFMEU.

The so-called 'brainy' unions are those like United Voice (particularly in WA/QLD), AMWU and AWU and to a lesser extent CPSU and ASU.
 
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Late to this party but as someone who has worked for numerous Labor MPs and have had access to numerous unions, I've seen the CFMEU operate.
Its an absolute blessing that the union is run by incompetency from the top or else they would completely dominate the party. Yes, they are the cash cow of all unions but when push comes to shove, Setka will go. In regards to incompetency, chuck the MUA in there also even though they are now affiliated with the CFMEU.

The so-called 'brainy' unions are those like United Voice (particularly in WA/QLD), AMWU and AWU and to a lesser extent CPSU and ASU.
At least the CFMMEU are honest, the rest are just as bad but generally underhanded about how they go about. The CFMMEU are as good as the union movement gets.

Doing everyone a favour by taking over shorten's AWU, who imo/experience are only interested in themselves

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...vement-spineless-leakers-20190617-p51ynj.html

But the issue escalated only after The Agerevealed on June 8 leaked text messages and a witness statement that detailed more about Mr Setka’s harassment.

Police analysis of Mr Setka’s phone activity reveals on a single evening last October, he called the woman 25 times and sent her 45 text messages. In the messages he called her a "weak f---en piece of s**t" and a "treacherous Aussie f---en c---" and a "f---en dog".




SETKA SCANDAL

The Age also reported leaked comments from Mr Setka at the national executive of the CFMMEU where he linked Rosie Batty’s advocacy with men having fewer rights.
 

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I'm no apologist for Setka but he is opposed by some of the most dishonest, ruthless, sons-of-bitches in the form of many of the construction giants. You either play the game tough of go under. It's been the same since the Gallagher days.

What Setka is purported to have said is beyond the pale but he has been an effective advocate for his members and whoever succeeds him - should he go - will need to be just as tough as many those on the other side of the fence are unscrupulous.
 
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Police analysis of Mr Setka’s phone activity reveals on a single evening last October, he called the woman 25 times and sent her 45 text messages. In the messages he called her a "weak f---en piece of ****" and a "treacherous Aussie f---en c---" and a "f---en dog".

What the media aren’t explicitly stating is that these phone calls and text messages were to his wife. She doesn’t want the charges to go ahead but the police are pressing charges on their own discretion. Then comes the increasingly flimsy allegation that he had a go at Rosie Batty.

That the Government and politicised police force are targeting the union isn’t surprising. But Albo making his first act as leader such a divisive one after six years of cohesion, attacking the construction union in a week where a second residential tower in Sydney is threatening to collapse due to flimsy construction standards and a union already badly hamstrung in its attempts to bring shoddy companies to light, is counterproductive in the extreme.
 

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Turns out Labor aren’t demanding Setka to resign to improve corporate governance, reputation or reasons of good faith.

Rather it’s revenge and to appoint a stooge.

We deserve better

It is what happens under the Modern Australian Interpretation of The Law & Democracy, take The LNP's AFP for example. Demonstrates why a known corrupted Home Affairs Minister never gets investigated...
 
It is what happens under the Modern Australian Interpretation of The Law & Democracy, take The LNP's AFP for example. Demonstrates why a known corrupted Home Affairs Minister never gets investigated...

We definitely need a very strong and powerful anti-corruption agency.

Sure some incidents could be prosecuted and others where soft/ blurry corruption or misleading incidents occur, could simply be published and kept on public record.

This provides/ forces politicians to respond under statutory declarations.

We deserve better.
 

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We definitely need a very strong and powerful anti-corruption agency.

Sure some incidents could be prosecuted and others where soft/ blurry corruption or misleading incidents occur, could simply be published and kept on public record.

This provides/ forces politicians to respond under statutory declarations.

We deserve better.

It would be good if the Media also presents these incidents when they write a story, for example,

Mr Potatohead, a corrupted and lying politician with these incidents against his foul and despicable name A, B, C, D, E, F, G, ... AAAAAAAB1, AAAAAAAB2, ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAB7, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAB8,...

But all this aside Mrs Potatohead who directly benefits from his life of corrupt activity says he is a great bloke, just misunderstood (More to follow in our two part special funded directly by ...)
 
It would be good if the Media also presents these incidents when they write a story, for example,

Mr Potatohead, a corrupted and lying politician with these incidents against his foul and despicable name A, B, C, D, E, F, G, ... AAAAAAAB1, AAAAAAAB2, ... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAB7, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAB8,...

But all this aside Mrs Potatohead who directly benefits from his life of corrupt activity says he is a great bloke, just misunderstood (More to follow in our two part special funded directly by ...)

The issue is our media groups are in the business of $s than thoroughly investigating incidents. Further, even if they wanted to thoroughly investigate.............they don't have the legal power to do so and perhaps even legally report it.

That's why we need an agency that has the mandate to deal with this issue.
 

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The issue is our media groups are in the business of $s than thoroughly investigating incidents. Further, even if they wanted to thoroughly investigate.............they don't have the legal power to do so and perhaps even legally report it.

That's why we need an agency that has the mandate to deal with this issue.

The LNP AFP investigates... but only when the media tells the truth about the corrupt and deplorable Liberal National Party...

Adding another agency will not solve the issue, just look at the Banking Royal Commission... speaking of which, a Royal Commission will do the trick though. That's when we will see where all the holes are, and be able to mend them.
 
The LNP AFP investigates... but only when the media tells the truth about the corrupt and deplorable Liberal National Party...

Adding another agency will not solve the issue, just look at the Banking Royal Commission... speaking of which, a Royal Commission will do the trick though. That's when we will see where all the holes are, and be able to mend them.

The banking royal commission missed a huge opportunity to get bickie gangs and the mafia out of wealth management. At least it shook up the banks but in typical government style, only went half way and ultimately increased box ticking, costs and power to larger organisations.
 

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What the media aren’t explicitly stating is that these phone calls and text messages were to his wife. She doesn’t want the charges to go ahead but the police are pressing charges on their own discretion. Then comes the increasingly flimsy allegation that he had a go at Rosie Batty.

That the Government and politicised police force are targeting the union isn’t surprising. But Albo making his first act as leader such a divisive one after six years of cohesion, attacking the construction union in a week where a second residential tower in Sydney is threatening to collapse due to flimsy construction standards and a union already badly hamstrung in its attempts to bring shoddy companies to light, is counterproductive in the extreme.
Complete lack of a moral compass, violence is never ok against women whether or not she wants to press charges or not.

I note you disregard multiply court orders this guy broke as well

By the way he is pleading guilty as well, but that's ok he is a lefty so it's forgiven.
 
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Complete lack of a moral compass, violence is never ok against women whether or not she wants to press charges or not.

By the way he is pleading guilty as well, but that's ok he is a lefty so it's forgiven.

who in their right mind would want to press charges against a man known for violence, intimidation and retribution? the poor lass is probably smart enough to know the repercussions of opening her mouth


at least he's a walking advertisement of the real heart and soul of the labour movement and labor party.
 
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