Rumour Simon Goodwin, Bailey's replacement?

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I think that would be as destructive as appointing shame charters strength and conditioning coach

Goody wants to be a senior coach. He has ambition and some credentials. He'd destabilise Sando just by being there. it would look like plan b was already in waiting. A fallback. A favourite son, just biding his time

It would look like that to the other coaching staff, the supporters, the players and Sando. It would diminish the chain of command.

Like Hinkley at Geelong?

Sando might feel right at home with that set up!

If we're restricting our coaching group to the ambitionless or those who don't have the ability to ever be senior coaches, we're going to be left with, well... Doc, Campo, Bicks and co. And from Sanderson's point of view, seeing high quality individuals as a threat rather than a way to improve self/club is the height of insecurity.

I'd hope Sando would feel he is more likely to stay in the job if he is surrounded by quality coaches that help him achieve better results rather than by the absence of an immediate alternative.

 

[NTRabbit]

Bicks

Bicks has ambitions to be a senior coach, he just hasn't realised he's the only one who still thinks he can do it. Why else do you think he's still there?

 

[Vooligan]

Kevin Sheedy anyone?


...Why not?

 

[Messiah]

I want Callinan as ruck coach (if Bicks can do it...)

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

To be honest I don't mind a non-forward coaching the forward line. Or a non-defender coaching the backline.

Smart football people who know the game inside out have knowledge in all areas.

It comes down to results.

I want Bicks gone because our forward line looks a complete mess, we have no system for creating scoring opportunities and rely purely on the individual talents of those down there + sheer weight of numbers of a high number of F50 entries. Not because he didn't play in the forward line.

 

[Sanders]

Like Hinkley at Geelong?

Sando might feel right at home with that set up!

If we're restricting our coaching group to the ambitionless or those who don't have the ability to ever be senior coaches, we're going to be left with, well... Doc, Campo, Bicks and co. And from Sanderson's point of view, seeing high quality individuals as a threat rather than a way to improve self/club is the height of insecurity.

I'd hope Sando would feel he is more likely to stay in the job if he is surrounded by quality coaches that help him achieve better results rather than by the absence of an immediate alternative.

No that's not where I am coming from

If goody or milburn grew from within to be #2 and a viable candidate for a head coachship that would be cool and no one would comment beyond linking them for every vacant job that comes up. The assumption is that they have outgrown their apprenticeship

However when you recruit someone in from outside to be your #2 the assumption is that they are on a promise.

Why would a senior assistant looking for the main job, leave to be a senior assistant somewhere else if they weren't eyeing up the main job where they were going?

 

[mattymac]

Isn't the whole point to get an experienced guru Sando can turn to when he is clueless? A repository of knowledge and a calming influence/father figure to hold his hand? Goody is the same age as Sando and even less experienced.

It doesn't make sense. It would be senseless. It wouldn't solve anything.

It would be a deckchairs move. I can't believe it. Even for us that would be a really weird move. We are screaming for an old footy head at the club, an authority figure that can get everyone to calm their **** and focus, not another mid-30s recently retired player.

 

[NTRabbit]

As I said, Goodwin would replace Bicks as the assistant in charge of the forward line, and we'd still need to get an experienced matchday tactician in to replace Bailey.

Still not 100% sold on Camporeale either, but we'll see.

Defence under Milburn on the other hand seems to be the only part that functions properly, though "Kick it to the right boundary" from every ****ing kick in shits me to tears, so I want to know if that idea is from Milburn or someone else.

 

[AFC979810]

Defence under Milburn on the other hand seems to be the only part that functions properly, though "Kick it to the right boundary" from every ******* kick in shits me to tears, so I want to know if that idea is from Milburn or someone else.

Disagree here. We have the potential to be one of the better clearance sides in the AFL. Teams are getting much better at defending kick - ins. We are not a side with tremendous footskills.

Play the numbers.

Would much rather Talia kicking long to Sauce near the boundary line - because the consequences are minimal. Worst case is a contest or ball out of bounds which leads to another contested situation which I would back us most times.

What scares me the most is someone like Talia trying to pinpoint a leading player with an up and under floater that if it misses results in 6 points right away.

 

[AFC979810]

Would love us to look to bring in some new ideas. Lets just for once not bring in someone from the AFC or Geelong for a change.

 

[NTRabbit]

Would much rather Talia kicking long to Sauce near the boundary line - because the consequences are minimal. Worst case is a contest or ball out of bounds which leads to another contested situation which I would back us most times.

I don't mind the escape kick to Jacobs, Pods and Jenkins on the boundary flank when needed, but when we have Smith, Jaensch and Henderson handling kick outs, does it seriously need to go there every bloody time? 9 out of 10 kick ins go to the right, and about 7 of those are long balls to the boundary line, with Smith seemingly the only one willing to try something different that 1 time out of 10. With three players who can kick like that, we should not be exercising that get out kick so damn often.

 

[Hinkstuff]

Disagree here. We have the potential to be one of the better clearance sides in the AFL. Teams are getting much better at defending kick - ins. We are not a side with tremendous footskills.

Play the numbers.

Would much rather Talia kicking long to Sauce near the boundary line - because the consequences are minimal. Worst case is a contest or ball out of bounds which leads to another contested situation which I would back us most times.

What scares me the most is someone like Talia trying to pinpoint a leading player with an up and under floater that if it misses results in 6 points right away.

I believe he's talking about how we kick-in, which Talia doesn't do.

 

[AFC979810]

I believe he's talking about how we kick-in, which Talia doesn't do.

Still applicable to kick ins. If our players are covered - would prefer us to go this option rather than force it. Too risky trying to pinpoint leading players over 30 meters in such a dangerous spot on the ground.

 

[NTRabbit]

Still applicable to kick ins. If our players are covered - would prefer us to go this option rather than force it. Too risky trying to pinpoint leading players over 30 meters in such a dangerous spot on the ground.

We're the only team that does this every single kick out, the other teams all at the very least switch sides, let alone successfully pick out targets. We have a few precise kickers back there to take kickouts - there is no legitimate reason for us to be going to the long get-out option every single time except for coaching instruction. Instruction which is clearly wrong and has been badly exposed on several occasions, perhaps most notably against Freo when they took about a quarter to figure it out and proceeded to make us look like a bad schoolboy side by sticking Sandilands exactly under every bloody ball.

It's not good enough, at all.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

I agree

Goodwin has "career assistant" written all over him and I can see him being satisfied doing that role. I actually rate Bassett far more than I do Goodwin as a potential senior coach.

Bassett IMO will be a senior coach at AFL level within 5 years, I just don't see Goodwin as senior coach material as he's far too quiet and reserved as a person.

Despite public opinion I think you will find it to be the reverse

No doubt that Bass can coach but you may find that Bass rubs people at all levels and if he is going to be a senior coach at AFL level where the footy depts are quite large and deverse he will need to be able to bring people a long the journey in a positive way or he risks a result similar to Scott Watters, great tactician however everyone thought he was a shit bloke to work with

Simon Goidwin will be a AFL senior coach and you can Book Mark that and I like the idea of him coming back to our coaching team as hopefully our midfield or senior assistant coach

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Just wondering

Shaun Hart Coaching Director at Port Power, how many senior AFL games did he coach?

 

[Mismatched]

Still applicable to kick ins. If our players are covered - would prefer us to go this option rather than force it. Too risky trying to pinpoint leading players over 30 meters in such a dangerous spot on the ground.

The issue is though is that we don't even bother trying to find the loose man or create one. We would have to be one of the slowest clubs at actually bringing the ball back into play, which allows the opposition to set up their zones/man up any loose players. The top sides look to bring the ball back in as soon as they can, which often means that there is a loose player 30+ meters out from goal who can then turn and go. I agree that long to the half back flank is a certainly a good tactic if nothing else is on offer, however at the moment it seems like it is our only tactic and at best it offers us stoppage about 60m out from the opposition goal and often leads to a turn over with our defenders left stranded out of position.

 

[Mismatched]

Isn't the whole point to get an experienced guru Sando can turn to when he is clueless? A repository of knowledge and a calming influence/father figure to hold his hand? Goody is the same age as Sando and even less experienced.

It doesn't make sense. It would be senseless. It wouldn't solve anything.

It would be a deckchairs move. I can't believe it. Even for us that would be a really weird move. We are screaming for an old footy head at the club, an authority figure that can get everyone to calm their **** and focus, not another mid-30s recently retired player.

Sando will be a 4th year senior coach next year, after having 5 or 6 years as an assistant coach, he's getting to the point where if he's still needing that "father figure" we really need to be finding a new coach. What he needs is someone with a good footballing brain, with genuine senior coach aspirations to almost act as an assistant senior coach. Someone not bogged down being a line coach, who can assist with overall tactics of the side and assist with focusing on the broader picture.

Now I'm not saying that having an experienced senior coach on the assistant coach staff isn't a bad idea, but Sando should be getting to the point where it isn't essential.

I think Goodwin's coaching ability is a little underrated on this board, in a very short amount of time he's risen to a relatively senior coaching role at one of the wealthiest and most powerful clubs in the AFL, despite the fact that his name is Hird, Lloyd, Fletcher or Watson.

He was extremely highly rated internally at the AFC for his coaching potential, along with his ability to lead our football club as captain and was highly sought after as an assistant coach the second he retired.

He may not be the odd cat, who freely speaks his mind and wears his emotions on his sleeze like Bassett, however coaching these days is as much about people management as it is football nous and I believe Goodwin has both in spades.

 

[Allefgib]

The issue is though is that we don't even bother trying to find the loose man or create one. We would have to be one of the slowest clubs at actually bringing the ball back into play, which allows the opposition to set up their zones/man up any loose players. The top sides look to bring the ball back in as soon as they can, which often means that there is a loose player 30+ meters out from goal who can then turn and go. I agree that long to the half back flank is a certainly a good tactic if nothing else is on offer, however at the moment it seems like it is our only tactic and at best it offers us stoppage about 60m out from the opposition goal and often leads to a turn over with our defenders left stranded out of position.

Is our whole gameplan mate.
Structure up to be in position to provide a contest so over the ground.
Then move the ball forward. Kick long out of defense. Kick long inside 50. Try to free up long kickers with run and handball through the middle.
Win contests. Win game.
So over it.

 

[Truck25]

I would love to see Bomber in as senior assistant (already has the connection with Sando and I don't think he'll hang around at Essendon) and Goodwin to replace Campo as midfield coach.

 

[noddy]

Just wondering

Shaun Hart Coaching Director at Port Power, how many senior AFL games did he coach?

He can speak in tongues

 

[Wood_Duck]

Sando will be a 4th year senior coach next year, after having 5 or 6 years as an assistant coach, he's getting to the point where if he's still needing that "father figure" we really need to be finding a new coach. What he needs is someone with a good footballing brain, with genuine senior coach aspirations to almost act as an assistant senior coach. Someone not bogged down being a line coach, who can assist with overall tactics of the side and assist with focusing on the broader picture.

Now I'm not saying that having an experienced senior coach on the assistant coach staff isn't a bad idea, but Sando should be getting to the point where it isn't essential.

I think Goodwin's coaching ability is a little underrated on this board, in a very short amount of time he's risen to a relatively senior coaching role at one of the wealthiest and most powerful clubs in the AFL, despite the fact that his name is Hird, Lloyd, Fletcher or Watson.

He was extremely highly rated internally at the AFC for his coaching potential, along with his ability to lead our football club as captain and was highly sought after as an assistant coach the second he retired.

He may not be the odd cat, who freely speaks his mind and wears his emotions on his sleeze like Bassett, however coaching these days is as much about people management as it is football nous and I believe Goodwin has both in spades.

I dont think he is looking for a father figure and if you think thats what Dean Bailey was doing you'd be wrong. Its about finding someone with the experience and respect that can question and challenge the senior coach. Someone that can sit in the box and tell Sando that its time to do something, to stop persisting with something that's not working, to stop showing faith in a player that hasn't earned it, to end a player's career, to stop overlooking flaws etc etc. Can this be a person that comes into the club that Sando considers his junior?

 

[skoobydoo]

The issue is though is that we don't even bother trying to find the loose man or create one. We would have to be one of the slowest clubs at actually bringing the ball back into play, which allows the opposition to set up their zones/man up any loose players. The top sides look to bring the ball back in as soon as they can, which often means that there is a loose player 30+ meters out from goal who can then turn and go. I agree that long to the half back flank is a certainly a good tactic if nothing else is on offer, however at the moment it seems like it is our only tactic and at best it offers us stoppage about 60m out from the opposition goal and often leads to a turn over with our defenders left stranded out of position.

Nothing to do with Goodwin or Bailey but I agree with the general frustration shown here with our kick-ins. Yes we must be the slowest side to bring the ball back into play. We do the same thing every time because we forego any sense of attacking with possession. We are content for the kick to go to a 50:50 (?) contest near the boundary line. What is infuriating is that we never seem to properly structure up around Jacobs and whoever. There seems to be no pattern (outside of an attempted mark) of bringing the ball to ground. Often there are no front and centre crumbing players, and rarely any over the back set up to run and carry. So often when the opposition spoiling effort is directed toward the boundary we are nowhere to be seen on that boundary side. And because our tactic is so predictable most opposition teams can and do setup at the contest more positively than we do.

OK the ball is in our defensive 50 but we do have possession with kickins! Not brave enough?

 

[dogs105]

How about Callinan as a line coach, now or shortly?

 

[King Elvis]

I see Goodwin as a replacement for Bickley rather than Bailey, but I agree it would still be seen by everyone as a backup plan for cutting Sanderson.

In that case, maybe we should get Goody then.