SMA/SANFL Protest at PAFC game

[El_Scorcho]

Probably even more importantly, given how great our club is at the moment, i'd assume we'd have a partnership with a local pub, or some other sort of arrangement, about 30 seconds after the announcement was made and everything would be fine.

 

[bigyin357]

But that will take a big name who isn't currently involved in the club to get involved and rally the troops, like Ginever and Fiacchi did with OneClub.

You've heard the man Timmy, its time for ...
OnePub.

You have my unwavering support.


Unfortunately though I think its a moot point, 80 or more percent of the folk through the gates on any given Sunday wouldn't give a rats behind about how PA are getting screwed again, or how much money their sinfully overpriced beer and microwaved shite generates for the club.

 

[Steve Dore]

The GDV works because it is immediately adjacent to the oval. The nearest pub, probably the Queen's Head, is around 400m away.

 

[bringbackbucky]

What gets me is that no-one has ever had a problem with the thousands of Crows supporters (both at AO and AAMI) who sit next to their car and drink their byo red wine/chardonnay while they nibble on their cheese platters. None of this money hits the SMA coffers either.

It just so happens that Port supporters, for whatever reason, have never been that big on the whole tailgate party. We are more likely to gather at a pub.

Be assured people that the fight is absolutely real. The SMA will not let this rest until they run the place or it is shut down. At a pre-season meeting between the clubs and the SMA - GDV was the number 1 item on the agenda. That's right - number 1. You'd think there are more important things to speak about with another year of AFL football approaching but apparently not...

 

[El_Scorcho]

The GDV works because it is immediately adjacent to the oval. The nearest pub, probably the Queen's Head, is around 400m away.

The Cathedral is the obvious one. I totally agree that the GDV is so popular because it's so close and convenient.

The Cathedral is both a) Close enough that people would go there if we told them to as our official pregame pub and b) woefully mismanaging their enormous opportunity to cash in on Port home games. There are people in there but it should be absolutely packed.

That partnership has potential.

 

[Portology]

What gets me is that no-one has ever had a problem with the thousands of Crows supporters (both at AO and AAMI) who sit next to their car and drink their byo red wine/chardonnay while they nibble on their cheese platters. None of this money hits the SMA coffers either.

It just so happens that Port supporters, for whatever reason, have never been that big on the whole tailgate party. We are more likely to gather at a pub.

Be assured people that the fight is absolutely real. The SMA will not let this rest until they run the place or it is shut down. At a pre-season meeting between the clubs and the SMA - GDV was the number 1 item on the agenda. That's right - number 1. You'd think there are more important things to speak about with another year of AFL football approaching but apparently not...

Per head, the Cows drink and eat less at AO, yet WE are being picked on. Why? There may be, there probably is some legacy "f-you Port" from a few older SMA minds formed back in the dark ages, but that doesn't really explain it.

Your comment about tailgate parties is a clue IMO.

WE are being picked on because the greedy pigs at the trough - the SMA, now with added Hurley - want even more out of the demographic shown over nearly 20 years to be prepared to spend more $ and to spend a higher % of their disposable income. Some spite, but mostly greed with data. Nowadays, with apologies to Francis Ford Coppola, it's (mostly) not personal, it's only business. If they pick on Crows tailgate parties, methyl Ethyl and feral Beryl will simply go back to clicking needles. There's nothing to be done for those folks except to wait for them to die and little more that can be squeezed out of them, they've already given birth to all the future low value drones, err... "customers" they can. So it's up to Port and Port community to do the heavy lifting, yet again. Psychologically that's quite a comfortable and familiar place for the boys of the SMA to inhabit.

 

[finbarr]

At a pre-season meeting between the clubs and the SMA - GDV was the number 1 item on the agenda. That's right - number 1. You'd think there are more important things to speak about with another year of AFL football approaching but apparently not...

Hahaha, does this really surprise anyone? If they could bomb it and get away with it they would.

 

[LFC2010]

The Cathedral is the obvious one. I totally agree that the GDV is so popular because it's so close and convenient.

The Cathedral is both a) Close enough that people would go there if we told them to as our official pregame pub and b) woefully mismanaging their enormous opportunity to cash in on Port home games. There are people in there but it should be absolutely packed.

That partnership has potential.

I've been to the Cathedral before and after games a few times and it's actually quite good in there.

Bar prices aren't too bad (well compared to what the SMA charge anyway), and the meals they dish up are decent.

 

[xflamedancer]

I don't know anything about the licensing court or how it works but if interested parties can make submissions against the GDV, can interested parties make submissions in favour? If that was the case, I would imagine several hundred (thousand?) in support would carry a bit of weight.

 

[Portology]

I've been to the Cathedral before and after games a few times and it's actually quite good in there.

Bar prices aren't too bad (well compared to what the SMA charge anyway), and the meals they dish up are decent.

Not that anyone bar my hypothetical Chinese billionaire has a spare $7m to drop** but just a couple of comparative pints on these two venues:

I haven't tried the food at the Cathedral in its new incarnation, pizzas look decent on sight alone. Can vouch for the high quality of the food at the Queens Head. The pizzas there are some of the best in town, repeat experiences, great each time.

Renovations at the Cathedral took a bloody long time but they have put in a big effort. Both relatively noisy interiors, especially inside the Queens Head. Queens head better set up for footy viewing areas.

IMO both venues would struggle with the biggest numbers we get at GDV, that is, when the time slot promotes a good turnout either before or after the game. That goes for the catering capacity as well as sheer licensing rules.

The Queens Head has a hard stop at midnight due to its location in the middle of a residential area. Advantage to the Cathedral there.

Not that it make a difference but neither pub is great for car parking on a game day.

** and if anyone did, an appropriately structured "investment" in TennisSA, Memorial Drive, redevelopment, whatever, would be a far cannier political and strategic move than investing in a nice but never-can-be-ideal bricks and mortar pub anyway. Get someone to drop $7m or so Tennis SA's way and all our alleged licensing roadblock-builders would scurry back into their dungeons faster than a herd of cockroaches hit with the beam of a flashlight.

 

[raptalia]

If you are going to use a pub as an alternative to the GDV it has to be within 5-10 minutes walk of the Oval. The GDV is next to the Oval and gets the pre game and half time trade because of that fact. If you have to get into a car and drive to a venue you have all sorts of issues. Pubs like the Queen's Head are out of the picture as an alternative to the GDV because they would not cater for those who catch public transport to the game. Who is going to walk from the Adelaide Railway Station to the Queen's Head and back? In fact who would want to walk from the game up to Kermode Street wait in line for a beer then walk back to the ground at half time ? I am not knocking the Queen's Head or Cathedral Hotel as venues, they are obviously great places to drink pre game and after the game for those who drive into the game but they are not the answer.

A permanent development on the Tennis Australia property at Memorial Drive is the only way to go. Surely it would not be that hard to broker a business deal between TA and the Port Adelaide and Adelaide Football Clubs? If it were promoted as part of a northern riverbank re development to go with the Riverbank Re development and supported by the politicians it might stand a chance. When the move to Adelaide Oval was first touted I vaguely recall that both AFL Clubs were talking of licensed venues near the ground. Unfortunately that appears to have been shelved possibly because of the red tape that can only happen in South Australia.

The return to the thread, if the GDV is closed the best protest is to boycott the bars in the Oval. It cannot be that hard to smuggle in a hip flask if you need a drink or to go without during the game for a noble cause. If the GDV closes, and it is an if, have a few jars at pubs like the Queens Head before the game, go to the game and abstain for 3 hours then go back and have a few after the game. I often do it and it is not that hard.

 

[Kingfish73]

Best approach is to collectively move to a pub if they close it down. A walk out during a game not solution imo. Extra walk to cathedral or other pub no issue for me

 

[Del80659]

the bad part about GDV closing for me, if it becomes a reality, is that it wouldn't close but become another Crows Tavern or whatever that thing above it was, it would be rebranded because it's a thing that works. there will always be a few hundred people that don't even know of the 'politics' and just go there anyway and spend money as if they were inside the oval. worst of all some would still think it's the GDV.

i don't even wanna think about any idea of moving to somewhere else, already admitting defeat..

how can i hurt the SANFL in more ways than just not buying anything in the ground this season???

 

[AdsGoNads]

If a full license is all that's required to continue operating the GDV at the Tennis Centre, surely we can pick up a trio of GDV sponsors to plaster their branding all over the marquees and pick up the licensing tab?

 

[LFC2010]

If a full license is all that's required to continue operating the GDV at the Tennis Centre, surely we can pick up a trio of GDV sponsors to plaster their branding all over the marquees and pick up the licensing tab?

Bank SA, cough cough!!!

 

[Steve Dore]

If a full license is all that's required to continue operating the GDV at the Tennis Centre, surely we can pick up a trio of GDV sponsors to plaster their branding all over the marquees and pick up the licensing tab?

I don't believe the cost of the licence is the issue. The issue is getting the permanent licence through the licencing court with the SMA and their flunkies running a campaign of objections.

 

[manureid]

I am going to protest this protest and walk in to the ground at 3 qtr time.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I don't believe the cost of the licence is the issue. The issue is getting the permanent licence through the licencing court with the SMA and their flunkies running a campaign of objections.

Correct! Tennis SA used to have a several thousand person liquor licence (8k I think) back when they had concerts and the SA Open or whatever it was called, which was part of the ATP and WTA world tour. When Qld pinched the event, 9-10 years ago, (and concerts dried up once it was remodeled and AEC built) Tennis SA downgraded their permanent licence because in the late 1990's as the SA government went looking for new revenue streams after the High Court in August 1997 knocked out the state governments around Oz "levies" on fuel, tobacco and alcohol as illegal excise taxes under Sect 90 of the Oz constitution, so they put up the annual liquor licence fees substantially. When Tennis SA lost its events it decided to reduce its permanent licence to 200 people and would apply for temporary licence if it got a big event - which eventually it did with the World Tennis Challenge.

Eg the concert with Sipder Bait and You am I after the first Showdown in 2014. That's where the idea came up for the GDV in a discussion between our 2IC Stephen Dawes and Tennis SA CEO Steven Baldas and one of them said how good would this be if we could do it every game. That's why we started small with the Rd 10 game v Hawks in 2014 and we applied for a series of temporary licences which increased as the white marquee tent was set up and people started attending in large numbers.

The club continued with the temporary licences in 2015 because they weren't sure if the expanded GDV concept would work as well as the smaller 2014 version and didnt want to go for a permanent licence as that would require them having a permanent lease with Tennis SA. That's why Tennis SA has to now go from a permanent 200 person licence to a permanent 5,000 person licence and we piggy back off that and will be charged a rent that covers that annual fee as part of a normal rent.

 

[Stryke]

I honestly can't believe they are pushing the 'we are worried about people chugging cheap drinks' line.

It's a complete lie that doesn't pass even the smallest amount of critical thought.

I'm going to make it a challenge to not spend a cent inside AO this year.

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[El_Scorcho]

The SMA saying they charge $9.50 for a pint to stop people getting drunk is reminiscent of the government torturing children to save people from drowning at sea.

 

[Steve Dore]

.... I'm going to make it a challenge to not spend a cent inside AO this year. ......

I successfully completed that challenge last year and intend to repeat in 2016.

 

[bigyin357]

I honestly can't believe they are pushing the 'we are worried about people chugging cheap drinks' line.

It's a complete lie that doesn't pass even the smallest amount of critical thought.

I'm going to make it a challenge to not spend a cent inside AO this year.

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You'd be surprised at how easy it really is to do. A couple of sandwiches, a bag of crisps, a thermos of coffee (irish or virgin)... a couple of pints before you head in, and a fiver in hand for the record. Sound as a pound.

 

[AdsGoNads]

I honestly can't believe they are pushing the 'we are worried about people chugging cheap drinks' line.

It's a complete lie that doesn't pass even the smallest amount of critical thought.

I'm going to make it a challenge to not spend a cent inside AO this year.

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If that's all they've got, they'll be laughed out of the court room surely!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I honestly can't believe they are pushing the 'we are worried about people chugging cheap drinks' line.

It's a complete lie that doesn't pass even the smallest amount of critical thought.

I'm going to make it a challenge to not spend a cent inside AO this year.

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Stock standard, PR company negative spin, bullshit, lie tactics which cant be 100% refuted.

Just like in October 2001 then Immigration minister Phil Ruddock says children were thrown overboard by asylum seekers, the next day the writs are called for the federal election so government goes into caretaker mode, but defence minister Peter Reith who isnt running for re-election, gets photos of refugees and their kids in the water, so he comes up with the comment that its proof the children were thrown overboard into the water by their parents as a tactics to get asylum. No one could deny it because there was no footage, just photos, the military aren't allowed to talk to the media to confirm it one way or the other, plus they are out there in the middle of ocean when the debate is raging, and Reith deliberately doesn't pursue the matter, but just repeats the allegation over and over. One of Reith's senior advisers takes several weeks to look at the issue and waits until a couple of days before the election to tell Howard the claims might be untrue. But the adviser keeps that he notified Howard private until just before the 2004 elections are called. It then takes the Senate another 11 months straight after the 2001 election re the claims by Ruddock and Reith to do an investigation and conclude it wasnt true.

So if they throw lies about the GDV out there, then we as a supporter group have to find every dirty, filthy, lying, cheating tactic we can come up with and throw it back in their face and into the public arena. Use deception in such a way that Sun Tzu would give us an A+ grade.

 

[cortez]

I'm not concerned about the GDV closing... KT will do everything he can to make sure it doesn't happen. Even if it's against all odds, he'll find a way.