Some Questions For Atheists

[Chase the Ace]

And a hypocrite, like most eastern mystics

 

[FIGJAM]

Funnily enough I read a fair bit of Gurdjieff, Fig--he was a fair-dinkum fruit in my view.

All mystics look like crazy people to atheists!

And to make matters worse (for people like meself arguing with atheists), some of them are stark raving nuts and deliberately try to sabotage the good teachings (take Aleister Crowley for example).

Gurdjieff is one of the good ones though.

 

[evo]

He wasn't all bad--I mean he gets points from me for modelling himself on Diogenes --but this stuff is nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_of_Creation

 

[FIGJAM]

He wasn't all bad,but this stuff is nonsense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_of_Creation

Mate, that is the Kabbalah! That is what it is!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah

That is the "Tree of Life".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life

It is emanationism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emanationism

 

[evo]

Yeah,I know mate.

But theres no reason 1 number is any better than another; or that one symbol has any transcendental value just because it appears in some ancient text

You're cwazy man.Sorry but an 'authentic life' requires that i call it as I see it.

Call me a sonambulist if you like.

 

[FIGJAM]

Call me a sonambulist if you like.

I am a sonambulist too evo, it's just we have contrasting points of view on the current state of our "freedom"!

 

[skilts]

Call me a sonambulist if you like.

I agree with this, but I do have a problem with being called a somnambulist.

 

[FIGJAM]

I agree with this, but I do have a problem with being called a somnambulist.

That too skilter!

 

[The J Dog]

The real issue here is the Catholic church's structures that enabled pedophilia in the first place, and its response including the explicit defence and protection of known pedophiles. All organisations that involve children (including schools, scouts, and all the others listed previously) with feature those who abuse their positions of power. Its how they proactively seek to firstly prevent those abuses, secondly minimise the harm if those abuses occur, thirdly to prosecute offenders and prevent them from occupying future roles in the organisation, and fourthly respond and compensate victims, that defines the success of an organisation in dealing with pedophilia. The Catholic church fails on all four counts, in my opinion.

Absolutely right.

The church just isn't doing enough to stop these abuses happening in the future. They should be adopting a zero tolerance policy, but that may fly in the face of having foregiveness as one of its guiding principles.