Movie Star Wars - Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker - Spoilers and Rumors

[theyellowsash]

Not sure what you find so funny, bomberboy. It just did a very healthy $30m Monday, a drop of just 27 per cent. This compares to TFA (33 per cent) and TLJ (58 per cent on a school day). There’s no doubt the fact it rolls straight into holidays means it won’t be loaded to each weekend. There’s also no real blockbuster competition, which means it may make extra coin from being a safe, easy choice during the holidays.

Its biggest threat from now is word of mouth. It’s got a lower critical and audience score than previous films.

Anyway, I’m not a fan but I hope it makes enough money not to derail more movies (though not too much that every future movie is a bland, inconsequential knock-off).

A bland knockoff is what tros was. Hopefully a poor performance will mean that Disney will trust their writers instead of responding to the backlash of a loud minority. I don't think they will stop making star wars movies completely, as they still make hundreds of millions even if it's under their expectations.

 

[Exe Gesis]

you can tell theres in-fighting. at the premiere, Iger was told KK said in a recent interview thered be no nore trilogies, just standalone movies, and he reacted quite peeved saying something like, ive had this discussion with her before, dunno why shes still saying this because never say never in my eyes regarding future trilogies.

 

[edgie]

Because the loudest fanboys just wanted to see the same thing again instead of something different

So heaps the same is awesome, not the same (but actually is) is awesome to some and not to others, and kinda the same is awesome to nobody?

Gee, tough crowd.

 

[theyellowsash]

So heaps the same is awesome, not the same (but actually is) is awesome to some and not to others, and kinda the same is awesome to nobody?

Gee, tough crowd.

Heaps the same was awesome as a reintroduction. But if the trilogy was just going to be heaps the same 3 times what's the point?

The trouble with tros isn't necessarily that it was too much the same, but it basically just relegated tlj to 'it was a dream' status and paid off almost nothing from the movie. That wasted time in the movie, threw away 1/3rd of the saga, and came across as cheesy and lame.

Example, showing a bunch of snokes in a vat with Palpatine going 'it was meeeee' Jim Carey style was weak and entirely to placate the whiners. That 100% would not have been in the movie if there wasn't the whiner backlash.

fyi, I don't think tlj was perfect or exempt from these issues entirely. I loved it, but still don't like the whole casino bit. That was also extremely cheesy and lame. But it had more character development than maybe any other star wars movie and took the story in a slightly (as you say, different but kinda the same) different direction that made it worth having over an empire strikes back remake.

 

[edgie]

More character development? It took Finn backwards for starters.

 

[squashface]

Finn should have died in TLJ when he tried to sacrifice himself

 

[theyellowsash]

More character development? It took Finn backwards for starters.

Character development isn't linear and doesn't always have to be 'this guy gets more brave and strong'.

Fwiw I think Finn's character was one who was developed well through all 3. First movie he rebels, second he has doubts early but by the end is willing to give everything to fight and win, and then in the 3rd he is mentally strong and can lead others who are like him.

 

[SM]

Are people really in here arguing on Christmas day lol.

 

[glenferry23]

Finn should have died in TLJ when he tried to sacrifice himself

100% correct. Would have been a fantastic scene, but instead led to one of more ridiculous moments of that movie. Knocked down by Rose, the love/kiss dialogue, then the canon blasts the compound killing dozens of Resistance members along the way.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

The whole story pretty much echoed Luke's journey in The Empire Strikes back and Return of the Jedi where he has to overcome his own failures and the tempting to the dark side to find his Jedi mojo that enables him to defeat Palpatine. I need some time to unpack what I just saw, but my initial reaction is I liked the movie. Rey being Palpatine's granddaughter I wasn't expecting, so nice plot twist there. I loved seeing old Palpatine, no one does an evil emperor/sorcerer better than Ian McDiarmid. The action was OK, just what you'd expect in Star Wars. The death of Ben was weird. I guess he gave his life so Rey could live, but I found myself thinking what if Rey's death turns Ben into the Jedi Master he was always meant to be, and how interesting would it be to see him take that role after being Supreme Leader and a Sith. How does he redeem himself to the Galaxy. Maybe giving his life was meant to portray that, but it just seemed a too easy way to get rid of a character who's survival creates complications to the story. I didn't get all that subplot with Finn. So he might be a Jedi too, but it went nowhere really. Maybe not a perfect movie, but I liked it.

 

[JackOutback]

 

[Exe Gesis]

that reminds me again how much of a wow, sir moment in cinema that scene was. it blew everyones minds at the time, so unfathomable

 

[Mr_Bojangles]

Character development isn't linear and doesn't always have to be 'this guy gets more brave and strong'.

Fwiw I think Finn's character was one who was developed well through all 3. First movie he rebels, second he has doubts early but by the end is willing to give everything to fight and win, and then in the 3rd he is mentally strong and can lead others who are like him.

He also goes WOOOOOOOOO!!!! a lot.

 

[Rettolalia]

Are people really in here arguing on Christmas day lol.

About Star Wars no less.

 

[Mr_Bojangles]

I'm at work and there's nothing to do so I'm an exception thank you.

 

[JackOutback]

About Star Wars no less.

Now imagine commenting on people arguing about Star Wars

I'm at work and there's nothing to do so I'm an exception thank you.

I’m hiding from noisy children’s toys, so I’m an exception too

 

[edgie]

Are people really in here arguing on Christmas day lol.

Of course I am, but I had five hours off in between for lunch.


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[Janus]

Not sure what you find so funny, bomberboy. It just did a very healthy $30m Monday, a drop of just 27 per cent. This compares to TFA (33 per cent) and TLJ (58 per cent on a school day). There’s no doubt the fact it rolls straight into holidays means it won’t be loaded to each weekend. There’s also no real blockbuster competition, which means it may make extra coin from being a safe, easy choice during the holidays.

Its biggest threat from now is word of mouth. It’s got a lower critical and audience score than previous films.

Anyway, I’m not a fan but I hope it makes enough money not to derail more movies (though not too much that every future movie is a bland, inconsequential knock-off).

They’ll always make more movies.

An actual genuine saga where you have no idea what is going to happen vs the Meatloaf saga where 2 out of 3 movies you could predict what would happen before you even sat down because they were just retreads that Disney wanted to recoup their $4b investment on is what I’m looking forward to.

If it’s good enough for guys like Henry Cavill and Kevin Spacey to do a tv series, it’s good enough for anyone.

 

[edgie]

I predicted Last Jedi so not sure where the other 1/3 is.


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[JackOutback]

I predicted Last Jedi so not sure where the other 1/3 is.


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LOL, you keep saying that, but if you can the posts where you predicted Luke went into hiding after almost killing Ben or Snoke biting the bullet halfway through, I’ll be impressed.

 

[edgie]

LOL, you keep saying that, but if you can the posts where you predicted Luke went into hiding after almost killing Ben or Snoke biting the bullet halfway through, I’ll be impressed.

I had posted that Luke would die like a chump after having negligible effect on the plot. Don't ask me which one of the Star Wars threads I posted it in.


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[Gibbke]

Me and the wife separated a few months ago, long time brewing but not before Xmas had already been planned 200km down the road in Townsville with friends...7yo daughter's best little mates are down there and it's all about her as far as I'm concerned, but those adults have taken her mum's side, and I didn't want to be where I wasn't wanted...so in the true modern spirit of December, with no one else closer than 3000km away in Sydney, I thought "Christmas can go f### itself, I'm going to see the new SW movie twice in a day"...

There was a slight feeling of flatness, but it was better than ROTJ and ROTS as far as third parters go...I did enjoy it, and as a whole I've been totally happy with the new trilogy. Many aren't, and we disagree...TLJ opened the story right up, the third part could have gone anywhere, and it ended up in a good place...

They did what they could with Leia...the script around those scenes was driven by Rey, and Leia's lines were so vague and generic...really showed up on the second viewing, and that face/back of the head shooting technique they had to use also contrasted with the rest of the flow of the movie...a bit harsh, but it was what it was...

The lightsaber battle between Rey and Kylo was pretty weak. The choreography was lousy, and unlike 1977, lightsaber moves aren't unexplored territory in 2019. This was the worst part of the movie...

Lando in E4/5 was a misleadingly laconic character...first glance womaniser conman, but still had scenes where he was deadly serious action plot driving guy..."we've got to give Han more time", "this deal is getting worse all the time", that sort of thing. In this one, he's saving to friends from certain death from falling off a star destroyer, and his response is "woo-hoo, look how fast my ship is" while he giggles through the moment...he's like happy grandad all the way through the film...he might as well have jumped out at the start of his cameo appearance, revealed his face and said "I'm Baaack!" and waited for audience applause...oh, wait...he did...

My big thing was always going to be where Snoke fit into all this, because if the easiness and sheer illogicality of his death didn't have a decent reasoning, then I would have conceded that point and by necessity a few others to those who blasted TLJ. The Emperor cloning himself is old comic lore, but it holds up...Snoke basically a Palpatine puppet...ok...you gotta ask though, why bother with the subterfuge? Why not just say after not dying at Endor "Hey, f###ers, I didn't die at Endor, so bow to me like the little pissants you are...you can't win"...? Why the puppets, and why not just clone himself again...?

Not sure why they showed star destroyers plunging from the sky around Bespin, Endor and Jakku...the battle was above the Sith homeworld, and they were only disabled because the lead ship's beacon was destroyed...how would that affect ships a million light years away...?

Nice little nods throughout...Luke screwed up getting the X-Wing out of the swamp, but here he is copying Yoda. Here in Australia, if it's flooded you forget it, and if the Commodore took on board that much water you'd be pumping it out for days, but nope, X-Wings and a massive fleet of star destroyers can be submerged indefinitely in the ocean until you need them...even totally obliterated Death Stars still have working powered doors. Speaking of which, the Emperor's ROTJ throne room was located in a tower on the DS's north pole, but here it was part of the equatorially located rim of the superlaser...

Whenever they brought something up, they had it backed up nicely earlier, which conversely made things a little flat and predictable. For no reason, Rey gets Leia's lightsabre, which comes in handy when Kylo happens to need one. Rey can heal wounded creatures, which is useful when she mortally wounds her antagonist way too early in the movie. She then states "I gave away part of my life force" explaining it to BB8, and by extrapolation we can see that Kylo gave away all of his restoring Rey...

Looks a little negative above, but it was a pretty good flick...

 

[SM]

I had posted that Luke would die like a chump after having negligible effect on the plot. Don't ask me which one of the Star Wars threads I posted it in.


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Impressive to predict that before seeing it when going in there was no indication of that at all.

Think you've enjoyed the eggnog today.

 

[edgie]

Impressive to predict that before seeing it when going in there was no indication of that at all.

Think you've enjoyed the eggnog today.

The indication was there to me, from the Rey is awesome angle, the fear of Luke Skywalker overshadowing their new characters, the reluctance to even put him in Force Awakens, and the push to move on from the old crew.

What, you thought they were itching at the chance to show Luke Skywalker face down the whole first order with his laser sword? What indication was there of that?


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[Exe Gesis]

Me and the wife separated a few months ago, long time brewing but not before Xmas had already been planned 200km down the road in Townsville with friends...7yo daughter's best little mates are down there and it's all about her as far as I'm concerned, but those adults have taken her mum's side, and I didn't want to be where I wasn't wanted...so in the true modern spirit of December, with no one else closer than 3000km away in Sydney, I thought "Christmas can go f### itself, I'm going to see the new SW movie twice in a day"...